Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

[Venom'sDad]

Personally I can see Green Goblin leading them as well....but c'mon the S6 is Ock's baby

Yeah, I know, but that's why I can't see Sony doing a Sinister Six.... 1st because Sam can't handle 6 villains yet alone 3, but mainly because Sam's version of DocOck is not fit to lead a team of criminals like the Six. Why would he anyway, he's a reformed scientist.... not a reformed criminal remind you.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Really..... wow, so you really think this version of DocOck would be a good Leader of a team of criminals?

It must be a "Privilage"

Ock can always turn evil again though. Maybe something hit him on the way down into the water causing him to forget that Ock redeemed himself towards the end. Yes, I know that's not a great idea, but I just came up with it a few minutes.

 

[FaT_tONle]

-He was able to take back control of the arms.

Yeah duh... so he can sort of control them better the next time he faces off with Spidey???

-He sacrificed himself to save the city.

from his own mess... maybe the second time around he'll work up a more contained experiment which he can use as leverage for further funding.

-He has no other reason to have a problem with Peter/Spider-Man.

Unless Spidey gets in the way again.

-And, most importantly, he died.

I didn't see a last gasp of air... besides being under water for a few minutes ain't enough to kill you. He may have been able to resuscitate himself in that time.

Maybe you still wanna believe: "Oh, he'll return... he can lead the Sinister Six". Dude, don't just think about yourself in a situation like this, think about the general audience. General audience felt 'Spider-Man 3' was bad because it didn't explain a whole hell-of-a lot about what the hell was going on, and I for one, was apart of that group. It wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to bring back Octavious considering majority of the people find there to be no reason to bring him back, other than to lead the Sinister Six. But let's not forget, that was Sam's idea. From one of the three writers of 'Spider-Man 3'. Would you rather see a great movie? Or a movie where once again, the fans get what they want(and we all know how that turned out to be with 'Spider-Man 3')

Only this time they could actually tell the story over two if not three movies instead of one. That must have slipped your mind...

 

[Venom'sDad]

Ock can always turn evil again though. Maybe something hit him on the way down into the water causing him to forget that Ock redeemed himself towards the end. Yes, I know that's not a great idea, but I just came up with it a few minutes.

That's the thing though SMH12, DocOck himself was never evil.... he was just influence to do "bad things" because of the tentacles. Ock himself, was really a stand up guy.

 

[Jick]

Ock can always turn evil again though. Maybe something hit him on the way down into the water causing him to forget that Ock redeemed himself towards the end. Yes, I know that's not a great idea, but I just came up with it a few minutes.

they worked with amnesia already. and I'm totally sure that Ock would regain his conscience in the final and turn good again. that'd be cheesy. there's just no way that Ock can come back and do evil things without ruining something or without a lame excuse, as there's no way Venom can come back from the dead........unless it's a clone

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's the thing though SMH12, DocOck himself was never evil.... he was just influence to do "bad things" because of the tentacles. Ock himself, was really a stand up guy.

Good point.

 

[thejon93]

Yeah duh... so he can sort of control them better the next time he faces off with Spidey???



from his own mess... maybe the second time around he'll work up a more contained experiment which he can use as leverage for further funding.



Unless Spidey gets in the way again.



I didn't see a last gasp of air... besides being under water for a few minutes ain't enough to kill you. He may have been able to resuscitate himself in that time.



Only this time they could actually tell the story over two if not three movies instead of one. That must have slipped your mind...

...No offense, but this is the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. "Unless he gets in the way again"? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. So, here's pretty much the consensus I'm reading from this:
Dr. Octopus returns to [insert here], but Spider-Man gets in his way and Dr. Octopus finds other of Spider-Man's foes to form the Sinister Six.

That's the stupidest build-up I've here heard of in my entire life. If they go along with this, it'd completely ruin the purpose of the second installment's ending.

 

[Venom'sDad]

...No offense, but this is the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. "Unless he gets in the way again"? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. So, here's pretty much the consensus I'm reading from this:
Dr. Octopus returns to [insert here], but Spider-Man gets in his way and Dr. Octopus finds over of Spider-Man's foes to form the Sinister Six.

That's the stupidest build-up I've here heard of in my entire life. If they go along with this, it'd completely ruin the purpose of the second installment's ending.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Dr. Octopus returns to [insert here], but Spider-Man gets in his way and Dr. Octopus finds other of Spider-Man's foes to form the Sinister Six.

Are you intimidated by Dr. Octavious?

 

[thejon93]

Are you intimidated by Dr. Octavious?

Oh, I see what you're doing. Taking MY thing now, huh?... Mr. Malkovich does not like

 

[Visionary]

yeah we can't say it won't...but I'd hope they would learn from their mistakes.

yeah, if I really had to choose between bringing back Ock or Goblin...then I'd go with Goblin. he was realy evil and we could see that. it'd be easier to see him trying to attack Spidey than Ock...who would have no reason to do so.



"While the police boat speeds away towards the nearest hospital. Tentacles' lights begin to glow, deadly movement ensues, killing and throwing everyone from the boat"

I think Doc Ock was pretty much controling the tentacles before he sank.

"listen...to me now. listen to me NOW!"

it was him taking control again.

No more GOBLINS, please! And you don't really need Doc Ock to go after Spidey, Spidey will go after him, it's what heroes do. Trying to stop a villain, is reason enough for him to try and kick your ass.

I wouldn't mind at all that Doc Ock was in complete control of his tentacles, as he took control of them in SM2. But it's not like the tentacles wouldn't protect him if he's not able to protect himself at a given moment, like they did in the hospital scene. I'd also go with the notion that Ock suffer from slight brain damage as hinted in the comics, from being underwater for a bit too long--this could be also be an excuse to bring out a more vile and badass superior complex, but keeping his high intelligence intact.

 

[BatSpider]

No more GOBLINS, please! And you don't really need Doc Ock to go after Spidey, Spidey will go after him, it's what heroes do. Trying to stop a villain, is reason enough for him to try and kick your ass.

I wouldn't mind at all that Doc Ock was in complete control of his tentacles, as he took control of them in SM2. But it's not like the tentacles wouldn't protect him if he's not able to protect himself at a given moment, like they did in the hospital scene. I'd also go with the notion that Ock suffer from slight brain damage as hinted in the comics, from being underwater for a bit too long--this could be also be an excuse to bring out a more vile and badass superior complex, but keeping his high intelligence intact.

If Ock came back I would totally mark out

Eh, Hobgoblin? iono.

I could see slight vulture in it and definatly see Kingpin in the movies

But of course, Lizard is on top of the list

 

[King of Kings]

Doc Ock should remain dead otherwise it would ruin his sacrifice at the end of SM2 which was a real cinematic masterpiece IMO.

 

[Jick]

No more GOBLINS, please!

I DON'T WANT more GOBLINS. I've said that so many times. what I said in my last post is that if I had to choose between Ock and Goblin, then I'd have to go with Goblin, because he is really evil.

And you don't really need Doc Ock to go after Spidey, Spidey will go after him, it's what heroes do. Trying to stop a villain, is reason enough for him to try and kick your ass.

Spidey won't come after Ock to kick his ass. first thing he'd do is wonder how is Ock alive, then try to have a talk with him. and Ock is not a villain anymore.
jeez...how hard is that to understand, guys?

I wouldn't mind at all that Doc Ock was in complete control of his tentacles, as he took control of them in SM2. But it's not like the tentacles wouldn't protect him if he's not able to protect himself at a given moment, like they did in the hospital scene.

yeah, but he won't stay unconscious all the time.

I'd also go with the notion that Ock suffer from slight brain damage as hinted in the comics, from being underwater for a bit too long--this could be also be an excuse to bring out a more vile and badass superior complex, but keeping his high intelligence intact.

it's a bad excuse. like I already said in other post...

they worked with amnesia already. and I'm totally sure that Ock would regain his conscience in the final and turn good again. that'd be cheesy. there's just no way that Ock can come back and do evil things without ruining something or without a lame excuse, as there's no way Venom can come back from the dead. you guys trying to find a way to make Ock bad reminds me of those fanboys trying to convince everyone that Venom was alive or how he could come back, coming with that "cab driver" theory.
come on Vis, I thought you'd be the one who most would be using common sense about it.

Doc Ock should remain dead otherwise it would ruin his sacrifice at the end of SM2 which was a real cinematic masterpiece IMO.

and there's that too. bringing him back would ruin that, which was perfect.

 

[Venom'sDad]

yeah, but he won't stay unconscious all the time.

Yeah really, I can see it now... an unconscious DocOck holding the city hostage.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah really, I can see it now... an unconscious DocOck holding the city hostage.

Well, an unconscious Doc Ock slaughtered a room full of surgeons

 

[Jick]

Yeah really, I can see it now... an unconscious DocOck holding the city hostage.

lol
the tentacles would have to be really ambicious...

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, an unconscious Doc Ock slaughtered a room full of surgeons

LOL, yeah I know and it worked in that case; but come on..... an unconscious DocOck holding an entire city hostage, while leading a group of criminals.

You know.... that does sound like one of Sam Raimi's Horror Comedies. Hell, it might work.

 

[The Joker]

LOL, yeah I know and it worked in that case; but come on..... an unconscious DocOck holding an entire city hostage, while leading a group of criminals.

You know.... that does sound like one of Sam Raimi's Horror Comedies. Hell, it might work.

LOL! I know, I was joking with you. I'd rather he never returned at all instead of having him unconscious while the tentacles did everything. It does a huge disservice to the character. If they bring him back, it has to be good.

And if anyone watched the Ockumentary on the Spider-Man 2 DVD features, they did hint at it at the end. The talked about how a villain seemingly dies, but isn't actually dead. Then they showed a couple of comic book covers from Stan Lee's era where Ock returned after cheating death. Also Alfred Molina talked about it in Empire Magazine after the movie came out.

So you never know. Never say never....

 

[Venom'sDad]

And if anyone watched the Ockumentary on the Spider-Man 2 DVD features, they did hint at it at the end. The talked about how a villain seemingly dies, but isn't actually dead. Then they showed a couple of comic book covers from Stan Lee's era where Ock returned after cheating death. Also Alfred Molina talked about it in Empire Magazine after the movie came out.

Yeah, I remember the press conference with Sam & Alfred and Sam hinted that Alfred character may not be dead.
So you are right never say never; but god knows I hope he never comes back.... I really hope we never see the Sinister Six, because I'm afraid it will be done just as horrible as SM3.

 

[American_Hobo]

Yeah, I remember the press conference with Sam & Alfred and Sam hinted that Alfred character may not be dead.
So you are right never say never; but god knows I hope he never comes back.... I really hope we never see the Sinister Six, because I'm afraid it will be done just as horrible as SM3.

Spiderman 3 was horrible to you?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Spiderman 3 was horrible to you?

No... I guess I should clarify this given you may not have read previous or past posts.

I think the use of characters in SM3 was horribly done. The film itself was good-ok. SM will always be the best imo, because the villain had true motivation, was a real threat, and purposely killed innocents people like a real villain should do.

 

[American_Hobo]

I think the use of characters in SM3 was horribly done. The film itself was good-ok.SM will always be the best imo, because the villain had true motivation, was a real threat, and purposely killed innocents people like a real villain should do

I gotta agree on that.

 

[The Shredder]

LOL! I know, I was joking with you. I'd rather he never returned at all instead of having him unconscious while the tentacles did everything. It does a huge disservice to the character. If they bring him back, it has to be good.

And if anyone watched the Ockumentary on the Spider-Man 2 DVD features, they did hint at it at the end. The talked about how a villain seemingly dies, but isn't actually dead. Then they showed a couple of comic book covers from Stan Lee's era where Ock returned after cheating death. Also Alfred Molina talked about it in Empire Magazine after the movie came out.

So you never know. Never say never....

Not to mention the other hint that was in none other than Spider-Man 3 with the Doc Ock page 1 headline noticeably right there in the background for all to see.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah, I remember the press conference with Sam & Alfred and Sam hinted that Alfred character may not be dead.
So you are right never say never; but god knows I hope he never comes back.... I really hope we never see the Sinister Six, because I'm afraid it will be done just as horrible as SM3.

The thing with that is, with a S6 story, some of the villains don't need a lot of fleshing out to do.

Hypothetical Example (pointing that out so u guys know )

Doc Ock (leader, gets the most screentime)
Sandman (blackmailed by Ock, his story continues from SM3)
Chameleon (assists Doc Ock in getting a team set up and wouldn't be opposed to backstabbing the other members including Ock)
Vulture (if it goes my way, his story continues from SM5 with an upgraded suit)
Rhino
Shocker

Shocker and Rhino would need no backstory whatsover, their thugs who had run ins with Spidey in the past and get their equipment and powers from Vulture and Chameleon(who we would learn are old partners and Chameleon has history with Spidey because of Kraven). Doc Ock comes to Chameleon and Vulture with the idea of making a team for his purposes. Ock forces Sandman to join or else he kills his daughter. He also gives him false hope of having a cure for her sickness. When finding this out, Sandman will go against the S6 and assist Spidey in the end.

Not to mention the other hint that was in none other than Spider-Man 3 with the Doc Ock page 1 headline noticeably right there in the background for all to see.

Which was the same paper from SM2, not a new one >_>