Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

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Personally, I'd really like to see an updated version of classic Electro or just staying true to classic Electro's origin in general rather than Ultimate electro. If they want to take elements from Ultimate Electro, fine, but I do think they will stay more focused on taking elements from classic Electro,

..I was going with the look, lighten up..............

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Oh, lol.

Well, I think they should either make an updated version of the classic suit or maybe combine elements from classic Electro and mix them with Ultimate Electro.

 

[The Shredder]

I guarantee Raimi will make Electro the victim... Vulture has the best shot of being a pure villain as does Kraven... even then I think Raimi will try to normalize them somewhat instead of making them pure baddies.

You're probably right. Though theres already a villain that's extremely likely to be made out as a victim/sympathetic (Lizard) character in the cards for an upcoming sequel, I can see this type of scenario with Electro playing out as well.

And much like the love triangles, it's getting tedious as well.

Well, I think they should either make an updated version of the classic suit or maybe combine elements from classic Electro and mix them with Ultimate Electro.

His costume in Marvel Knights Spider-Man wasnt bad. It's basically a updated/modernized version of Electro's classic suit.

 

[Venom'sDad]

His costume in Marvel Knights Spider-Man wasnt bad. It's basically a updated/modernized version of Electro's classic suit.

Can you or someone post a pic of it....

 

[COMPO]

to be honest i think they should go with the Man-Spider angle have Spiderman become a monster and Doctor Connors trying to find a cure but Spiderman has been fighting Morbius who wants to turn everyone into vampires. So you got Spiderman himself, Morbius and the Lizard.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

His costume in Marvel Knights Spider-Man wasnt bad. It's basically a updated/modernized version of Electro's classic suit.

Very good point, Hulk. I've always loved his Marvel Knights costume.

 

[Visionary]

Vision, I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here.

First of all, more than anything I wish Sam, Tobey, and everyone else would simply go away and recast the franchise. Given this film will be called "Spider-Man 4", there goes my hope for a reboot.

However, I'm totally against bringing the Sym or Venom back... I'm suggesting that because they are so interested in doing a "Spin-off" and Sam Raimi left that door open with Connors' sample, it simply wouldn't surprise me that the Sym or Venom return, "in cameo fashion", not featured. Come on. And yes Jr. is dead, but I was speaking more on the lines as them introducing Classic Brock for the "Spin-off"

I nevered like Jr. in the Ultimate, didn't like him being in the film.

I get what you're saying I just strongly disagree. Bringing another Eddie Brock (non-Jr.) will just confuse the hell out of people. I could see them having a small scene with the symbiote from Connors' sample, but I really don't see the point. The Venom movie simply can't be a direct connection with Spider-Man films. Unless Eddie Brock Jr.'s dad (Eddie Brock) wants revenge on the one who killed his son Eddie Brock Jr., and just happen to come in contact with the symbiote. If I was Sony and Raimi I'd stay far away from anything symbiotic, save it for the actually Venom spin-off.

 

[noctuz17]

well since they "killed"(we all know he really doesnt die... ) venom the only 2 natural enemies of spiderman are scorpion and carnage, i believe maybe scorpion can make a pretty descent movie if they make a good story for him. he needs to be fully evil, i like that about venom, no more, "I was innocent before this experiment failed and now im controlled (Ggobbie and Ock) they should put the kingping, now i know hes dumb and he already showed in DDevil, but he can make it happen for all these villains to come... thats what everyone wnats right... something to the sinister six! now they would only have to solve the whole " dock-ock is dead thing"... whatever it is i want them to make something cooler than last movie.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Spidey could be up against Mysterio where we find out that spidey has been in a experiment for the last 3 years where he has actually been living in a virtual reality Matrix type of world.

And the reason why Venom and Sandman was so unrealistic is because they were part of this virtual game of life.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ Well, I guess that means Harry is not dead. ^

 

[MonBeeb]

Spidey could be up against Mysterio where we find out that spidey has been in a experiment for the last 3 years where he has actually been living in a virtual reality Matrix type of world.

And the reason why Venom and Sandman was so unrealistic is because they were part of this virtual game of life.

And then he fights the REAL Venom!

 

[The Shredder]

Can you or someone post a pic of it....

 

[American_Hobo]

Spidey could be up against Mysterio where we find out that spidey has been in a experiment for the last 3 years where he has actually been living in a virtual reality Matrix type of world.

And the reason why Venom and Sandman was so unrealistic is because they were part of this virtual game of life.

It means perter parker never even was Spiderman!!!
there were never any supervillains such as green goblin, sandman, dr octopus..

sorry but that idea sound awful.

 

[King of Kings]

His costume in Marvel Knights Spider-Man wasnt bad. It's basically a updated/modernized version of Electro's classic suit.

I think they would have to change his mask for live action but if they don't I think it would be a good way for Spidey to make some wise cracks.

 

[The Flea]

Venom:

Eddie died in SM3 (see said skeleton). I believe Sony said they didn't want Topher Grace back for the Venom Spinoff so Eddie's death works...and if they do go with a darker route Topher wouldn't fit the role.

We also know Connors still has the sample, so it is completely feasible that something in SM4 could quickly set up the Venom movie. I know that it'd kinda suck to see the ooze in SM4, but they could do it very quickly and discreetly. IE the symbiote gets knocked over when Connors changes into the Lizard. We just see it crawl away....cue to the Venom movie where some new guy gets the symbiote.

Venom probably will go around wrecking crewing stuff and beating up cops at first until Carnage spawns out of him. Then he'll be forced to be they ultimate badass that they keep on trying to make him in the comics.

I really don't see Carnage NOT being in the Venom movie. Grace is out, so I wonder what they are going to be doing with the host.



Spidey Sequels. They've been trying to use Vulture, Black Cat and the Lizard for a while now in the movies. Hell, they even had Vulture in SM3 before Venom (which would've made the movie waaay better: less jumbled).

Here's kinda how I see it if they DO decide to finally use the character's they've been trying to do.

I know they are filming them back to Back, but are they supposed to connected? (I'll add something to tie them if need be)


Spider-Man 4: Lizard & Kraven.

Opens with Spidey fighting a B-Level villian (Rhino or Mysterio) It gets recorded and broadcasted all over the world...with the brutality of it, the situation, we get Junnifer Dugan back ...Kraven sees the fight and decides to go after Spiderman. Kraven encounters Spiderman. Connors changes into the Lizard (releases symbiote)...Spidey encounters the Lizard. Spiderman finds out that the Lizard is connors. Kraven begins to go after the Lizard (and still spiderman). Spiderman then has to protect the Lizard from Kraven while getting attacked by the Lizard. Then go back and inject the Peter/MJ, Doc Connors mentor stuff and themes: Protection (not that kind) of loved ones between these random happenstances.


Spider-Man 5: Black Cat & Vulture

Black Cat & Vulture: Black Cat steals from wealthy tycoon Toomes (like 90s cartoon) for some sympathetic reason. Spiderman goes after her, but she gets away. Parker Meets Toomes to find out why BC would steal the stuff and establishing the needed character connection bn Parker and Toomes. MJ meanwhile gets pissed about the BC stuff (Throw some Felicia Stuff w Peter to rise up the emo w MJ). Vulture starts Rampaging (maybe stealing tech or something) We find out that Cat is actually doing good through crime bc Toomes is doing wrong. Toomes comes out as Vulture...BC and Spidey team up to take down Vulture.

I think that would work, and if they use those 2 characters together it's probably close to what we'll get. I'd really like to see something different, like Electro.


So In conclusion:
Venom: Carnage
SM4: Rhino/Mysterio, Kraven, Lizard
SM5: Black Cat, Vulture


Spider-Man 6: Sinister Six (bonus!)

K. So the beauty of the plan (which is all above t is we could actually get the original 6 if they go this route with the movies. Doc Ock & Sandman reappear (have to retcon Doc's death) Kraven, Mysterio, and Vulture from SM4/SM5 show up and then introduce Electro. BAM! The ultimate theme here: With great power, comes great responsibility.

 

[MonBeeb]

Yeah, Carnage will most definitely be the villain of the Venom spinoff. He's out.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

Venom:

Eddie died in SM3 (see said skeleton). I believe Sony said they didn't want Topher Grace back for the Venom Spinoff so Eddie's death works...and if they do go with a darker route Topher wouldn't fit the role.

We also know Connors still has the sample, so it is completely feasible that something in SM4 could quickly set up the Venom movie. I know that it'd kinda suck to see the ooze in SM4, but they could do it very quickly and discreetly. IE the symbiote gets knocked over when Connors changes into the Lizard. We just see it crawl away....cue to the Venom movie where some new guy gets the symbiote.

Venom probably will go around wrecking crewing stuff and beating up cops at first until Carnage spawns out of him. Then he'll be forced to be they ultimate badass that they keep on trying to make him in the comics.

I really don't see Carnage NOT being in the Venom movie. Grace is out, so I wonder what they are going to be doing with the host.



Spidey Sequels. They've been trying to use Vulture, Black Cat and the Lizard for a while now in the movies. Hell, they even had Vulture in SM3 before Venom (which would've made the movie waaay better: less jumbled).

Here's kinda how I see it if they DO decide to finally use the character's they've been trying to do.

I know they are filming them back to Back, but are they supposed to connected? (I'll add something to tie them if need be)


Spider-Man 4: Lizard & Kraven.

Opens with Spidey fighting a B-Level villian (Rhino or Mysterio) It gets recorded and broadcasted all over the world...with the brutality of it, the situation, we get Junnifer Dugan back ...Kraven sees the fight and decides to go after Spiderman. Kraven encounters Spiderman. Connors changes into the Lizard (releases symbiote)...Spidey encounters the Lizard. Spiderman finds out that the Lizard is connors. Kraven begins to go after the Lizard (and still spiderman). Spiderman then has to protect the Lizard from Kraven while getting attacked by the Lizard. Then go back and inject the Peter/MJ, Doc Connors mentor stuff and themes: Protection (not that kind) of loved ones between these random happenstances.


Spider-Man 5: Black Cat & Vulture

Black Cat & Vulture: Black Cat steals from wealthy tycoon Toomes (like 90s cartoon) for some sympathetic reason. Spiderman goes after her, but she gets away. Parker Meets Toomes to find out why BC would steal the stuff and establishing the needed character connection bn Parker and Toomes. MJ meanwhile gets pissed about the BC stuff (Throw some Felicia Stuff w Peter to rise up the emo w MJ). Vulture starts Rampaging (maybe stealing tech or something) We find out that Cat is actually doing good through crime bc Toomes is doing wrong. Toomes comes out as Vulture...BC and Spidey team up to take down Vulture.

I think that would work, and if they use those 2 characters together it's probably close to what we'll get. I'd really like to see something different, like Electro.


So In conclusion:
Venom: Carnage
SM4: Rhino/Mysterio, Kraven, Lizard
SM5: Black Cat, Vulture


Spider-Man 6: Sinister Six (bonus!)

K. So the beauty of the plan (which is all above t is we could actually get the original 6 if they go this route with the movies. Doc Ock & Sandman reappear (have to retcon Doc's death) Kraven, Mysterio, and Vulture from SM4/SM5 show up and then introduce Electro. BAM! The ultimate theme here: With great power, comes great responsibility.

I like your ideas for the sequels, I would go with mysterio as the minor subvillain in SM4 and he could be a recurring character through the film, he escapes, sets a trap for spidey, spidey beats him again turns him over to the cops again.

As for SM5 how about this as a subplot, keep the vulture black cat story, but have toomes initially hire a couple of thugs and supply them to go after the cat, I'm thinking a rhino shocker team up here. I would also love to see a sequence where spidey plays the too against each other.

as for the sinister six story, how about this rather than retcon doc ocks origin, introduce the chameleon as the master planner behind the six, I could see them going so far as maybe have chameleon use ock as one of his disguises during the course of the film.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I think you can weave Electro, Vulture and Black Cat in film if you set one of those guys up in SM4. That would be a good way to close it out... especially if Gwen isn't used again. Enter Felicia Hardy. Then you leave it open to a Sinister Six film.... Ock returns 10 years later to lead the Sinister Six... not ten years movie time but ten years from SM2 or around that. Not completely necessary but if they make SM6 that's a good way to go.

 

[Jick]

Ock returns 10 years later to lead the Sinister Six...

and why would he do that?
he's not a bad guy.

 

[citizenpain]

i kinda like the idea of just kraven and the lizard but if they are indeed doing 4 and 5 together, then they should definitely try to build up the sinister six. i think the original roster could work- doc ock, kraven, electro, mysterio, and the vulture. i don't think the movie version of the sandman would fit in there so throw in some other random baddie like rhino, shocker, and no more goblins please.

spidey 4 could have kraven and the lizard as the main story, with a fight against electro starting off the movie. at the end, doc ock makes an apperance and recruits kraven and electro. spidey 5 starts off with the vulture and some other villain like rhino attempting a bank robbery only to be foiled by spidey. doc ock naturally picks up the pieces but there's a new villain on the scene named mysterio and once they all come together, it would be a hell of a fight for spider-man. something like that...

 

[citizenpain]

and why would he do that?
he's not a bad guy.

he's not entirely good either. they could work around it.

 

[Hobgoblin]

You're probably right. Though theres already a villain that's extremely likely to be made out as a victim/sympathetic (Lizard) character in the cards for an upcoming sequel, I can see this type of scenario with Electro playing out as well.

And much like the love triangles, it's getting tedious as well.



His costume in Marvel Knights Spider-Man wasnt bad. It's basically a updated/modernized version of Electro's classic suit.

Same with Vulture. I liked the red and black look.

i kinda like the idea of just kraven and the lizard but if they are indeed doing 4 and 5 together, then they should definitely try to build up the sinister six. i think the original roster could work- doc ock, kraven, electro, mysterio, and the vulture. i don't think the movie version of the sandman would fit in there so throw in some other random baddie like rhino, shocker, and no more goblins please.

spidey 4 could have kraven and the lizard as the main story, with a fight against electro starting off the movie. at the end, doc ock makes an apperance and recruits kraven and electro. spidey 5 starts off with the vulture and some other villain like rhino attempting a bank robbery only to be foiled by spidey. doc ock naturally picks up the pieces but there's a new villain on the scene named mysterio and once they all come together, it would be a hell of a fight for spider-man. something like that...

Actually this version of Sandman could be a benefit. Sandman once helped Spidey against the Six after Ock coerced him into rejoining the team. With a sick daughter, Marko could easily be leveraged.

 

[FaT_tONle]

You make Vulture spear head the thing at the start... kidnapp Sandman's daughter for leverage on Sandman. Ock could be the fellow mad scientist that Vulture needs to complete his plan... but Ock would be largely in charge of the whole project. Mysterio would have to be a previously featured villain though. Electro could just be the muscle of the team. You can't do this all in SM5 though. Has to be SM6.

 

[Jick]

he's not entirely good either. they could work around it.

for what? just to complete the six?
bringing him back would ruin the purpose of SM2. choice and sacrifice. he gave up the thing he wanted the most to do the right thing.
but the bad thing about him is that he wasn't a bad guy, to begin with. nor that arrogant guy we know from the comics. he was a successful and respected scientist working on his life-time dream.
Ock is my fav villain of this movies, let's not ruin it.

 

[Hobgoblin]

You make Vulture spear head the thing at the start... kidnapp Sandman's daughter for leverage on Sandman. Ock could be the fellow mad scientist that Vulture needs to complete his plan... but Ock would be largely in charge of the whole project. Mysterio would have to be a previously featured villain though. Electro could just be the muscle of the team. You can't do this all in SM5 though. Has to be SM6.

Make Ock the mastermind and Vulture the assistant and you've got it.