Time for stricter gun legislation in the US yet??

[yenaled]

I'd love someone to go on a school killing spree armed with a fishpole and rat traps.

 

[terry78]

I'd laugh at someone going around killing with a fishing rod. I really would. The Hooker is on the loose.

 

[hippy fascist]

What I'm getting from this whole conversation is that you guys want to be safer, right? Then why not get rid of all the other things that cause accidental deaths way more often then guns? Like stairs, pools, cars, and any food with a consistency thicker then apple sauce.

If you want to play that game:

how many people were INTENIONALLY killed with guns last year as opposed to those intentionally killed with cars?

I give up

Teaching a donkey to bake a cake would be easier

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Oh Yeah!
It's my birthday!
got accepted
at UW richland!
going to college!

Congrats! What are you going to major in?

 

[hippy fascist]

but its sole purpose is not the death of a human.

A fish pole is meant to kill, rat traps are meant to kill, bug spray is meant to kill, etc.

please don't reel out the "an M16 can be used to kill rabbits" line. This thread can only withstand so much stupidity and it's on the precipice as it is

 

[Varient]

Just because it wasn't intended to perform killing doesn't change the fact that it does. An axe isn't made with intention to kill behind it but I'm pretty sure people do get killed by axes.

actually,... technically, Axes were originally designed to kill,........... trees.

My point remains that cars are not designed for producing road-kill,... Roadkill is a byproduct of poor driving.

I'm horrible. Every Drunk driver gets ONE chance to mess up. After they drive under the influence and hurt someone the second time,.. the penalty is the clinical application of the SAME damage they inflictedon the innocent that got nailed by them.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

If you want to play that game:

how many people were INTENIONALLY killed with guns last year as opposed to those intentionally killed with cars?

I give up

Teaching a donkey to bake a cake would be easier

Its somewhere around 10,000 for guns and around 5,000 for cars. Something like like that.

 

[Varient]

Oh Yeah!
It's my birthday!
got accepted
at UW richland!
going to college!

congrats.

Be the exception and put three quarters of your attention into the school experience and not into the lifestyle.

 

[Motown Marvel]

im not too well versed on gun legislation, but thinking about this, heres some things i came up with:

-all automatic and military grade firearms are illegal.

-mandatory psych evaluation at the expense of the gun owner in order to obtain permit/license.

-mandatory gun safety classes at the owners expense in order to obtain license/permit. must pass test at the end of the program.

-permit/license must be renewed every 5 years, which includes new psych exam and gun safety test.

-you can only purchase one gun every 6 months (though i'd personally prefer every 12 months)

-you must be 25 to own/carry a concealed weapon.

-you cannot carry more than one concealed weapon on your person at any time.

-gun clips can carry no more than 10 rounds of bullets.

-gun shows now must also adhere to running background checks on potential buyers.

 

[StorminNorman]

please don't reel out the "an M16 can be used to kill rabbits" line. This thread can only withstand so much stupidity and it's on the precipice as it is

I am all for banning automatic weapons, that is not an issue for me. The real issue is guns in general, most of which are bought for sport.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

im not too well versed on gun legislation, but thinking about this, heres some things i came up with:

-all automatic and military grade firearms are illegal.

-mandatory psych evaluation at the expense of the gun owner in order to obtain permit/license.

-mandatory gun safety classes at the owners expense in order to obtain license/permit. must pass test at the end of the program.

-permit/license must be renewed every 5 years, which includes new psych exam and gun safety test.

-you can only purchase one gun every 6 months (though i'd personally prefer every 12 months)

-you must be 25 to own/carry a concealed weapon.

-you cannot carry more than one concealed weapon on your person at any time.

-gun clips can carry no more than 10 rounds of bullets.

All of those sound good but I really don't see the point of the last. No semi-automatic weapon can fire more then one bullet at a time so why make a fuss over the amount that a clip can hold?

 

[Varient]

What I'm getting from this whole conversation is that you guys want to be safer, right? Then why not get rid of all the other things that cause accidental deaths way more often then guns? Like stairs, pools, cars, and any food with a consistency thicker then apple sauce.

Boy,.. I missed that one when it went by. I thought the question was posed,.. should we ban guns,... I said no.

You believe this is about being safe? Believe me - my idea of safe would inconvience a lot more people than banning Guns because I would start by removing planned obsolesance..

 

[hippy fascist]

I am all for banning automatic weapons, that is not an issue for me. The real issue is guns in general, most of which are bought for sport.

what that's a whole different kettle of fish

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Boy,.. I missed that one when it went by. I thought the question was posed,.. should we ban guns,... I said no.

You believe this is about being safe? Believe me - my idea of safe would inconvience a lot more people than banning Guns because I would start by removing planned obsolesance..

Well most of the people in this thread arguing for a gun ban have citied that it would make us alot safer. I assumed thats what you were arguing for as well and I'm sorry I came to that assumption.

 

[Varient]

Well most of the people in this thread arguing for a gun ban have citied that it would make us alot safer. I assumed thats what you were arguing for as well and I'm sorry I came to that assumption.

Big props on the apology,... not many can do that here,....


Thank you,... Apology accepted but not req in this case.

I really can't see how we could ban firearms,... we still have thousands who's primary source of food and protection are the guns they have.

(Yeah yeah I know - hard to believe but I continue to read too much.)

Think I WILL start a thread on what would make one feel safe.

 

[Motown Marvel]

All of those sound good but I really don't see the point of the last. No semi-automatic weapon can fire more then one bullet at a time so why make a fuss over the amount that a clip can hold?

even if multiple clips are being held, it limits the number of bullets on them. plus, it requires the shooter to have to re-load more often. so if someone is going on a shooting spree like at VAtech, the more they have to re-load, the more chance people have to escape from the shooter. it also wouldnt be too bad idea to limit the number of clips someone can have on them at one time.

 

[CyberFaust]

i frackin give up, shoot youselfes adn other to your hearts content you fracking rednecks

 

[Motown Marvel]

i also think it wouldnt be too bad of an idea to mandate those obtaining a gun permit/license to turn over fingerprint samples to be kept on file. or at least for those with a concealed weapons permit.

 

[Mr Kris]

Hello again,

I posted back on page 3 and don't really have the time at the moment to read every post since then, but from the last few pages it doesn't look like anyone has thrown out some real numbers yet. So here are some numbers:

(All of these numbers come from http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm or http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/guncrimetab.htm. The second site is a government site, and the first happens to actually cite its sources. As with any numbers that are results from statistical surveys or analysis, take the results for what you will.)

My comments are in bold.

* In the United States during 1997, there were 15,289 murders. Of these, 10,369 were committed with firearms. (2)

* In the United States during 1997, there were approximately 7,927,000 violent crimes. Of these, 691,000 were committed with firearms. (12)

* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times. (16b)

So, 764000/10369= 73.7... guns were used 73.7 times to defend against a criminal for every gun murder in 1997. The DoJ page has a different murder figure of 12,346 (presumably these are results of different statistical studies). Even with this number, it is 61.9 defenses per murder. The total number of gun crimes for 1997 from the DoJ page is 414,530... which again, is less than the number of gun defense uses. Also note that if you look at the DoJ page, you'll see that gun violence is down since 1997, but gun ownership is up.


* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim." (16c)

* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%. (1)

* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:

Homicide rate: Florida -36%, United States -0.4%
Firearm homicide rate: Florida -37%, United States +15%
Handgun homicide rate: Florida -41%, United States +24% (3)


1995 Fatal Accident Totals
Motor Vehicles 43,900
Falls 12,600
Poisonings 10,600
Drownings 4,500
Fires 4,100
Choking 2,800
Firearm 1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)

If you haven't been able to tell yet, yes... I'm a responsible gun owner. I really think that most public fears surrounding guns are due to a simple lack of good information about them. I own several firearms and I shoot weekly. I've introduced many friends to shooting sports, several of which were afraid, but now come to shoot with me on a regular basis. I also like Batman, Transformers, flying stunt kites, and The Office. I thought 300 was great and Daredevil sucked. Guns are something I enjoy as part of my pretty much normal lifestyle.

There's a lot of incorrect gun terminology in this thread and a lot of misconceptions, but I don't really have time to point them all out. If you're saying things about guns and all you have is a second-hand, third-hand, or internet blog knowledge, please take the time to do some real research.

Yes, it is very sad when guns are used to commit crimes. It's equally sad when inanimate objects are blamed for the actions of people. May as well blame Budweiser for every drunk driving death and the water company for drownings.

 

[hippy fascist]

nra plant

 

[Darthphere]

Giant tool.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

nra plant

Can you go one post without insulting someone?

 

[hippy fascist]

Giant tool.

FACE!

 

[Darthphere]

I win.

 

[hippy fascist]

I win.

No