Discussion in 'The Punisher' started by MessiahDecoy123, Nov 18, 2017.
What score would you give it out of ten and is it the best MCU Netflix show?
Easily a 10/10 and definitely the most gripping of the Marvel's Netflix offerings.
A solid 9. There were a couple of kind of longer and meandering episodes in the homestretch, but IMO this was the best MCU Netflix series since DD1. Bernthal is perfect, the villain is amazing, the action, the brutality...Nothing to say. Fantastic show.
It was a 10 for me. My favorite Marvel netflix show to date!
1. This was not the Punisher I saw in Daredevil 2. I don't know what they were trying here, but this came off more as a soap opera. I wanted a Punisher, balls to the walls action, and a good crime story, not this boring crap. Think about the trailer they showed, and compare it to the to actual show and it's delivery. Totally different tone, and a lackluster one at that. Critics were right, this was very disappointing and boring. Missed opportunity.
I don't think you actually understand the definition of "tone". I'm at episode four thus far and this show is everything the trailers promised. If you expected this to be 13 hours of bullet porn, I feel sorry for you because that's not what those trailers promised... At all. You were a promised a conspiracy thriller which from what I've seen thus far, is what we got.
When it was good it was good. The problem was that it was often too slow. It's the same problem Jessica Jones had. The show needed to be divided into arcs. Daredevil Season 1 had multiple crime bosses who were taken down one by one. Daredevil Season 2 had Daredevil vs Punisher, then they went their separate ways with Daredevil vs Nobu and Punisher vs Blacksmith. Luke Cage first had Cottonmouth, then Diamondback. Iron Fist went in multiple different directions and had no idea where it was going but it wasn't slow.
Punisher focused too hard on telling a single story but had too many episodes and there was a missing fight scene in Episode 4 which wasn't shown despite the episode building up to it. I really feel like Episodes 2, 4, 6 and 9 didn't do enough that was interesting. I'd rather see more action with fewer episodes or have shorter arcs building up to a few big fights. Rawlins was also whitewashed. He's supposed to be Arab-American.
Personally, I'd like Season 2 to adapt Mother Russia (1st half) and Man of Stone (2nd half). Since Rawlins is dead, replace him with Richard Van Burien. Have the government recruit Frank and bring him back in action in a story heavily influenced by Rambo 2 and 3. Jigsaw was rich enough to beat the rap but his contracts with the United States have dried up and Anvil is now aiding the Russians. And the third member of Frank and O'Brien's team is Mark Spectre. Since the United States no longer hires Anvil mercs, he's working for Bushman PMC.
I'd also change it from a conspiracy thriller to a love story between Frank and O'Brien. Two people on a covert operation who fall in love and the last shots of the season are O'Brien realizing she's pregnant and Marc Spector being sent on a mission to Egypt. That's what I'd do.
Uh, no it isn't! I'm saying this right now, the show is not going to sit well with repeat viewings. It is just too boring and not captivating until like the last 3 episodes. And the plot and the editing was a mess.
Yes it is. From the way the trailers were cut to the decision to use Metallica's One, they were very clear that this was a military conspiracy drama with moments of extreme violence.. Which is exactly what we got. The Death Wish remake will be out eventually if that's more your speed.
This was advertised as a military conspiracy thriller focusing on Frank's past and the conspiracy that got his family killed. The trailers showed that Madani would be running an investigation dealing with whatever Frank was doing in the military. And we were shown some of the action. This show has so far, I'm on Episode 9, been a military thriller dealing with Frank's past, the conspiracy that got his family killed, and Madani's investigation. And there is action scenes when they are appropriate and advance the story. The plot has been straightforward and it's edited like the rest of the Netflix shows.
Yeah this was more of a conspiracy/political thriller than I thought it would be, but after while it honestly didn't bother me. Frank really goes through some serious **** in this show and John Bernthal sells every scene. I can appreciate that this show took it's time and established characters even though it might have felt a bit fillerish at times. I do wish the villains were stronger even though I liked Ben Barnes as Billy Russo, but not having a villain that's on par with Kingpin or Kilgrave was very noticeable.
I'd still give it a very solid 8/10. As of now it's my third favorite Netflix show after DD and JJ.
I'd rate it 8/10.
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The Punisher Season 1
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I had my problems with the series, especially the first 6-7 episodes...But towards the end things did start to pick up and I finally felt like I was watching the Frank Castle I know and love
The shootout with Frank in full Punisher gear in ep. 11 was well worth the wait...And the scene in episode 12 where Frank is being beaten while tied to a chair is one of the most intense scenes I've ever watched in the MCU.
Jon Bernthal's performance ranks up there as one of the best portrayals of any comic book character i've ever seen...I give it a 7/10. I hope if we get a season 2 that we get more actual Punisher and they adapt a story like In the Beginning or The Slavers.
Thought it was fantastic. 9/10.
As good as dd season 1. Joint best netflix show for me.
This is not a political thriller. It might have been written like one, but the direction sucks. This comes across more like a West Wing show than something like NCIS. When Frank or Karen isn't in a scene, it draaaaggggggs. The other characters just suck and are not written or acted well at all. And the plot is not straight forward at all. It's a mess. And what we got was nothing like the trailer. Think all you want, but in the end, it's my opinion that counts on what jives or not. This show sucked. I guess I was spoiled by the latest Netflix show, Stranger Things, and that had me raised the bar high, and Punisher failed to hit that bar miserably.
Somewhat disappointing, somewhat boring, somewhat agree.
Too much focus on Homeland Security, did not need a lot of that backstory/investigations/procedure/meetings, just the highlights.
Should have shown more Punisher staking out targets, hunting enemies, preparing/making traps/weapons, training montage(?).
Should basically be a show about 'being' the punisher, how to be the punisher, not why-Frank-Castle-is-the-Punisher which is already covered in DareDevil.
I thought this show was a solid eight. It's a wonderful exploration of soldiers and war and what's left behind. The political thriller stuff worked for the most part, but was a bit too slowly paced. The action scenes were used effectively when used without wearing out their welcome. And I thought the acting was superb all around. I'm glad that this was a show that attempted to explore something. The Punisher is a difficult character to get into and I would probably have had significant difficulty watching it if it was nothing but him killing people from beginning to end.
The biggest issue these series have as a whole is the 13 episode count and so far, only the first season of Daredevil and now this have used it effectively. The worst parts of DD season 2 were easily the Hand and Elektra, Diamondback did Luke Cage no real favors, and Jessica Jones should have ended at around six or seven episodes because by that point you knew she going to have to kill Killgrave so watching her struggle with it for another six hours of television was a real ****ing chore. The next season of Iron Fist is only going to be 10 episodes so maybe they're learning. I appreciate this shows quieter moments more than any of the other series'.
9 out of 10 at the moment, cause I'm still riding the high of just finishing it. Still, I doubt I'll ever rate it lower than 8. This is easily the best acted, written, directed and well developed of all the Marvel shows so far.
Jessica Jones S1 >> Daredevil S1 >>>>> Punisher S1 >> Daredevil S2 >>>> Luke Cage S1 >>>>>>> The Defenders S1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iron Fist S1
Just finished the whole season and I gotta say, it had a rough (VERY rough) start for me...But the result was a rollercoaster of emotions. The last 6 episodes were absolute gold and more than made up for how it started...It's a shame that critics were only shown the first 6 episodes because most of those with the exception of 1 and 3 were really slow and borderline bad. I've never watched a show or movie for that matter that started out so bad but ended so good. Jon Bernthal absolutely nailed the role and his performance 100% is worthy of an emmy nomination imo. I've bumped my rating of this up to 8/10 and luckily I forgot to actually cast a vote after my earlier post so I was able to actually vote 8/10 lol.
Just finished it a few minutes ago and its a full 10/10 for me. I fully understand why some folks may have thought it was boring with between the family drama moments and interagency drama, but in those moments is where I felt the performances shine. Frank's interactions with Micro and his family could have went horribly wrong the plunged the show into CW levels of melodrama but everyone involved sold it and sold it well. The Lewis subplot had one the most incredible payoffs in recent memory for me and again, this also could have went incredibly wrong, but the performances sell it. Ben Barns' Billy Russo was superior to his comic book counterpart and is up there with Vincent D'Onofrio's Wilson Fisk as one of the best MCU villains to date. They really knocked it out of the park with this series and I can't wait for season 2.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, next season, I think things will fall into a more procedural flow with Frank taking on the Gnucci's working his way from the bottom of the organization to the top with them weaving Jigsaw in as the core central villain. I think the folks that weren't too into this season will get more of what they wanted out of next season.
After the ****ing dumpster fire piece of rush job dog **** that Justice League turned out to be, I needed this.
I rounded up to 9 in the poll.