Time Tourists

[Shemtov]

I Know that we already have a similar thread; but this different, so I hope ye mods let it stay.
Now I want you; ye readers; to entertain ye idea that time cannot be changed by time travel; it's static; you can't change time because you already didn't; thus, there's no paradoxes or free will issues.
Now imagine that someone started up a time-travel tourism company and you have enough money to go on a trip. When you actually go back, You have a metal buttoned bracelet on your wrist that only people with special contact lenses (that you obtain when you embark on your time journey) can see. With a press of a button you get a force field or end your trip early; these features are too protect you from dangers. .
When and where would you go?

 

[The Squirrel]

Are you trying to get plot ideas from us? You will not steal my mind!

 

[Ultra Lantern]

Are you trying to get plot ideas from us? You will not steal my mind!

Reminds me of the movie Sound of Thunder.

 

[Shemtov]

Are you trying to get plot ideas from us? You will not steal my mind!

I just think that this will make an interesting discussion.

 

[Shemtov]

good luck!

 

[Duke]

I Know that we already have a similar thread; but this different, so I hope ye mods let it stay.
Now I want you; ye readers; to entertain ye idea that time cannot be changed by time travel; it's static; you can't change time because you already didn't; thus, there's no paradoxes or free will issues.
Now imagine that someone started up a time-travel tourism company and you have enough money to go on a trip. When you actually go back, You have a metal buttoned bracelet on your wrist that only people with special contact lenses (that you obtain when you embark on your time journey) can see. With a press of a button you get a force field or end your trip early; these features are too protect you from dangers. .
When and where would you go?

Would you be allowed to buy things from the past?

 

[Ultra Lantern]

I just think that this will make an interesting discussion.

Not every thread is a good thread.

 

[Shemtov]

Would you be allowed to buy things from the past?

of course; You're provided with native currency, or bartering tools.

 

[Duke]

of course; You're provided with native currency, or bartering tools.

In that case, my time trips would be more like shopping trips.

 

[Lord Valumart]

of course; You're provided with native currency, or bartering tools.

But thats changing history. If you buy something that someone else was going to buy then you've changed history, which you said in your opening post "time cannot be changed by time travel; it's static; you can't change time because you already didn't".

So if you can't change history because you already didn't then you can't buy anything. Unless time cam be changed and you avoid paradoxes by the idea that you were always going to be there to do the thing, but then that gets complicated again since we all know that a time travel theory like that probably isn't correct.

 

[redmarvel]

^ Agreed. In fact I think that you wouldn't even be able to interact with the people of that time, because the wrong word in the right place can change history too.

As I've said before, I'd probably go and watch performances of famous artists just before they got famous.

 

[Ultra Lantern]

Would you be allowed to buy things from the past?

You'd be creating a time paradox if you bought something.

Example: You bought the last action figure meant for a little boy and he goes out the next week to buy it instead of just staying home.He gets run over buy a car and dies.That little boy becomes the man who created the Time Tourist.Now what?When you arrive back in the present it's changed.
Now the Time Tourist doesn't exist.Where did you go?

 

[Duke]

You'd be creating a time paradox if you bought something.

Example: You bought the last action figure meant for a little boy and he goes out the next week to buy it instead of just staying home.He gets run over buy a car and dies.That little boy becomes the man who created the Time Tourist.Now what?When you arrive back in the present it's changed.
Now the Time Tourist doesn't exist.Where did you go?

That would be too much of a coincedence besides, buying a minor thing such as a toy I view as insignificant. Now if you'd buy something famous that maybe different.

 

[Ultra Lantern]

That would be too much of a coincedence besides, buying a minor thing such as a toy I view as insignificant. Now if you'd buy something famous that maybe different.

I don't think so.

 

[Duke]

I don't think so.

well, there be only 1 way to prove it & unfortunately its not possible at this time.

 

[Lord Valumart]

That would be too much of a coincedence besides, buying a minor thing such as a toy I view as insignificant. Now if you'd buy something famous that maybe different.

Even small things can have massive waves of destruction. I'll grant you that chances are that you won't see things change right away, but they will change. And the change might be for the better, or for the worse.

 

[Ultra Lantern]

Even small things can have massive waves of destruction. I'll grant you that chances are that you won't see things change right away, but they will change. And the change might be for the better, or for the worse.

I agree with you.

 

[Lord Valumart]

I agree with you.

So we agree that the opening post contradicts it's self and thus the idea of "Time Tourists" is rubbish by the laws stated in the opening post?

...we win the thread?

 

[Ultra Lantern]

So we agree that the opening post contradicts it's self and thus the idea of "Time Tourists" is rubbish by the laws stated in the opening post?

...we win the thread?

Yes.

 

[Shemtov]

But thats changing history. If you buy something that someone else was going to buy then you've changed history, which you said in your opening post "time cannot be changed by time travel; it's static; you can't change time because you already didn't".

So if you can't change history because you already didn't then you can't buy anything. Unless time cam be changed and you avoid paradoxes by the idea that you were always going to be there to do the thing, but then that gets complicated again since we all know that a time travel theory like that probably isn't correct.

You're ignoring ye premise; I know it's hard to accept, because it goes against science, but this is all theoretical.
What I'm saying is this:
When you go back in time and say, accidentally kill somebody, that person was killed by you in ye 'original' timeline. Except, there's no 'original' timeline, that person always died by your hands. Conversely, You can't, say, kill Hitler, because he didn't die. True, you have free choice, but you are always gonna choose not to kill Hitler. Unless, of course, you kill him on April 31 1945, and brainwash everybody with him into thinking it was suicide. But then again, that's already what happened.

 

[SuperFerret]

You're ignoring ye premise; I know it's hard to accept, because it goes against science, but this is all theoretical.
What I'm saying is this:
When you go back in time and say, accidentally kill somebody, that person was killed by you in ye 'original' timeline. Except, there's no 'original' timeline, that person always died by your hands. Conversely, You can't, say, kill Hitler, because he didn't die. True, you have free choice, but you are always gonna choose not to kill Hitler. Unless, of course, you kill him on April 31 1945, and brainwash everybody with him into thinking it was suicide. But then again, that's already what happened.

I understood what you're getting, and that's my favorite time travel premise.

Anyway, I'd go back to study the dinosaurs. Hell, it'd be more of a career than a tourist attraction.

 

[Lord Valumart]

You're ignoring ye premise; I know it's hard to accept, because it goes against science, but this is all theoretical.
What I'm saying is this:
When you go back in time and say, accidentally kill somebody, that person was killed by you in ye 'original' timeline. Except, there's no 'original' timeline, that person always died by your hands. Conversely, You can't, say, kill Hitler, because he didn't die. True, you have free choice, but you are always gonna choose not to kill Hitler. Unless, of course, you kill him on April 31 1945, and brainwash everybody with him into thinking it was suicide. But then again, that's already what happened.

So now it's "whatever happened always happened" is it? I don't buy it. You're suggesting a time line that is totally unmovable and is set in stone, thus suggesting that everything we do is always going to happen no matter what we try to do to stop it. So if I go back in time, get the black death, bring it back and wipe out humanity, woops, always going to happen no matter what happens cause no one can go back to stop me getting black death.

LIES SIR!! LIES!!

 

[SuperFerret]

It's time travel. Either there's multiple timelines or one. I never got where the paradox stuff came from.

 

[JAK®]

I never got where the paradox stuff came from.

People aren't thinking fourth-dimensionally.

 

[SuperFerret]

And thinking fourth dimensionally makes paradoxes possible how?