TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

[Fenrir]

Both of you are a bunch of oversensitive little crybabies. One finds Big Bang Theory offensive. The other finds a tongue-in-cheek remark to be offensive. Neither Big Bang Theory nor that joke are meant to be taken as a serious, genuine representations of either the nerd community or of women. It's because of such prudish political correctness that comedy gems such as Mind Your Language will never again appear on television - that show was one massive racial stereotype after another, and even though it made fun of my race, I absolutely loved it, because it was hilarious. People really need to grow a thicker skin these days.

 

[Anita18]

Both of you are a bunch of oversensitive little crybabies. One finds Big Bang Theory offensive. The other finds a tongue-in-cheek remark to be offensive. Neither Big Bang Theory nor that joke are meant to be taken as a serious, genuine representations of either the nerd community or of women. It's because of such prudish political correctness that comedy gems such as Mind Your Language will never again appear on television - that show was one racial stereotype after another, and even though it made fun of my race, I absolutely loved it. People really need to grow a thicker skin these days.

Hey, I don't rage about Big Bang Theory, I just don't watch it.

Also, it doesn't help that I don't find BBT the least bit funny. I love me some Dave Chappelle cause he's hilarious.

 

[Motown Marvel]

@Motown

Maybe I'm always looking at the wrong posts at the wrong time, but I always get the impression that you're a bit negative in general. Civil and smart but negative.

i equally recognize both the good and bad in things. but admittedly im more open about the negative things i see. if anything its to balance things out, as there are plenty enough people to gush over the good things while ignoring the bad things. i feel one should be recognized as much as the other. i have both good and bad things to say about this movie thus far. but i do always hope the good outweighs the bad. i want to enjoy this movie.

I think it is downright idiotic, to be brutally honest. Just because a woman finds some guy hot does not in any way imply her to be professionally less capable, just as how a guy finding a woman hot doesn't make him so either. You can't help being attracted to someone, and even if you verbally express it, unless that attraction actually translates into an impediment to her performing her duties, there is absolutely no reason to be offended. And even if it does end up as an impediment, how is that insulting to women? Unless of course, you believe that men are immune to such "failures"...now that would be sexist.

how is it demeaning? she thinks hes hot, why is that considered demeaning towards women? wouldnt that be demeaning towards men, since they are focusing on his looks rather than what he represents. If the roles were reversed and that was a man, and he called Supergirl hot would you say the same thing about the soldier, or would u suddenly reverse ur stance.

I dont think its demeaning that a girl thinks superman is hot. what i find demeaning is that it depiction that a female soldier is so incapable of composing her professional self over how hot superman is that it requires her superior to question her. its just a negative stereotype of female soldiers who struggle enough with stereotypes, who struggle enough to be seen and treated as equals to their male counterparts. and the fact that they highlight this particular moment in a national promotional campaign makes it all the more unnerving.

and yes, if it were a male soldier making obligatory sexual remarks over supergirl, i would take issue with it.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Soooooo back to the reviews

 

[Anita18]

Soooooo back to the reviews

Clearly, there are none to talk about.

 

[Motown Marvel]

The point is:
If a man said "she's kinda hot" people would say it's demeaning to the woman he is referring to.
If a woman said "he's kinda hot" people would say it's demeaning to the woman. NOT the man she is referring to. I'm not saying you're like that, I'm just saying that's how complaints about sexism usually go.
That is not equality.

no, im not like that. if that is how other people are, take it up with them.

Read my last post. You could have used a more passive tone of voice. "People can find it demeaning" instead of "IT IS DEMEANING."

How else am I supposed to interpret that sentence of yours, if it's not you believing that everyone should find it offensive just as you do?

It's not always interpretation. If you can't communicate exactly how you feel, don't be surprised when people interpret it differently from what you really mean.

again, for anyone to take my posts as anything other than my personal opinion, the problem isnt the conduct of my post, the problem is how you decided to take it. so again, dont blame me for yer inability to read my posts as my opinion.

and in my opinion, the issue of females being respected isnt something im going to be passive about. when i say it is demeaning, its because i think it is demeaning. y'alls can feel whatever way about it you want.

 

[SuperAl]

Soooooo back to the reviews

i agree!

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Clearly, there are none to talk about.

Did your acquaintance say anything about the reactions of the screening?

 

[Anita18]

Did your acquaintance say anything about the reactions of the screening?

Everybody's ears hurt. I figured she would only speak for herself otherwise re: the general consensus of the movie. I find it a little when people try to speak for an entire audience anyway (as the exchange with Motown has proved ).

I'm not sure what kind of screen the Academy theater has. But I'm going in IMAX so I shall brace myself.

 

[Fenrir]

I dont think its demeaning that a girl thinks superman is hot. what i find demeaning is that it depiction that a female soldier is so incapable of composing her professional self over how hot superman is that it requires her superior to question her. its just a negative stereotype of female soldiers who struggle enough with stereotypes, who struggle enough to be seen and treated as equals to their male counterparts. and the fact that they highlight this particular moment in a national promotional campaign makes it all the more unnerving.

and yes, if it were a male soldier making obligatory sexual remarks over supergirl, i would take issue with it.

Oh, so soldiers are supposed to be something other than human now? Unless there is some prevailing stereotype about women I am not aware of that they are incapable of being professionals in the armed forces due to their inability to put their duties above their attraction towards the opposite sex, then one could make the argument that joke is reinforcing the stereotype and understandably be offensive. Women in the military are stereotyped for not being as tough or capable as their male counterparts and because idiots think they would be a distraction for the men and not the other way around.

As for the male soldiers slobbering over a girl, you might want to look into a little film called Apocalypse Now where not just one guy, but entire platoons of soldiers turn into a sex-hungry mob and crash the stage of a Playmate live show. And if you find that offensive, it's simply childish and petty.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Everybody's ears hurt. I figured she would only speak for herself otherwise re: the general consensus of the movie. I find it a little when people try to speak for an entire audience anyway.

I'm not sure what kind of screen the Academy theater has. But I'm going in IMAX so I shall brace myself.

So I'm just going to have to take Rusell Crowe's word for it.

 

[Anita18]

So I'm just going to have to take Rusell Crowe's word for it.

What'd he say?

 

[kguillou]

Just out of pure curiosity what were the early reactions to DKR? I wasnt really following the tracking for that movie too much and it ended up being a very divisive movie among the fans

 

[Motown Marvel]

Oh, so soldiers are supposed to be something other than human now? Unless there is some prevailing stereotype about women I am not aware of that they are incapable of being professionals in the armed forces due to their inability to put their duties above their attraction towards the opposite sex, then one could make the argument that joke is reinforcing the stereotype and understandably be offensive. Women in the military are stereotyped for not being as tough or capable as their male counterparts and because idiots think they would be a distraction for the men and not the other way around.

yer ignorance is so astounding it's not even worth responding to.

As for the male soldiers slobbering over a girl, you might want to look into a little film called Apocalypse Now where not just one guy, but entire platoons of soldiers turn into a sex-hungry mob and crash the stage of a Playmate live show. And if you find that offensive, it's simply childish and petty.

not that the two movies/scenes can in any way be compared....this was a realistic depiction of the gross incompetence and misconduct of the male soldiers during the vietnam war, which was depicted time and again through out the film as one of its themes which was completely relevant in its context. the reality of soldiers' conduct in the vietnam war is in fact offensive, but a realistic depiction of it in the film is not. but there is a world of difference between the two scenes that the fact you would bring this up as some sort of debate point shows yer sheer ignorance to this situation.


everything that needs to be said about my opinion on this matter has been said. if you have any more issues with it, refer back to my previous posts.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

What'd he say?

That there was a hugely positive response at the press conference.

And that we are going to "love the movie".

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I can understand what it's trying to achieve and there's logic behind it, but what could Martha/Faora and Lois/Faora possibly talk about other than Superman?!
the weather?

Is this a good reason to call it "a terrible film"?

You're misquoting her. She said: "TERRIBLE FILM!!" She's not allowed to tweet about it, but she still felt compelled to post something anyway. Agenda much? I love the way she felt the need to upper case that, as if to say: "My opinion, and the issues that I am passionate about are so important that I'm going to burst the bubble of everyone that hopes this is a great movie!" Personally who gives a rat's butt what she thinks. I certainly don't.

 

[DKDetective]

Oh, so soldiers are supposed to be something other than human now? Unless there is some prevailing stereotype about women I am not aware of that they are incapable of being professionals in the armed forces due to their inability to put their duties above their attraction towards the opposite sex, then one could make the argument that joke is reinforcing the stereotype and understandably be offensive. Women in the military are stereotyped for not being as tough or capable as their male counterparts and because idiots think they would be a distraction for the men and not the other way around.

As for the male soldiers slobbering over a girl, you might want to look into a little film called Apocalypse Now where not just one guy, but entire platoons of soldiers turn into a sex-hungry mob and crash the stage of a Playmate live show. And if you find that offensive, it's simply childish and petty.

There is unfortunately just such a stereotype. Ever seen Mad Men or even X-Men: First Class? Western society long held the opinion that women are "too emotional" to be real professionals and interact in the world of business or be trusted with anything important. I'm not saying that Motown is right, but there is a basis for his argument. You don't need to ridicule it.

Furthermore, you can't compare Apocalypse Now to Man of Steel. Apocalypse Now was about the breakdown of order and civilization in the field. The scene with Ferris and Stanwick in Man of Steel is completely different. It is a scene between officers being extremely formal. There is no sort of personal friendliness in Stanwick and Ferris' relationship. The soldiers in Apocalypse Now would behave completely differently if they were back home on a parade ground before a general officer. It's all about context.

 

[Anita18]

Just out of pure curiosity what were the early reactions to DKR? I wasnt really following the tracking for that movie too much and it ended up being a very divisive movie among the fans

I think a lot of people liked it, but were mostly "shocked" at the ending. I believe it was pretty divisive even then and it was clear it wasn't going to be TDKR-level kind of acclaim early on.

That there was a hugely positive response at the press conference.

And that we are going to "love the movie".

Yeah she said that it was well-made, so I guess there's that? And if you're a Henry Cavill fan, you'll "love the movie." Which I presume means that he's good in it.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

You're misquoting her. She said: "TERRIBLE FILM!!" She's not allowed to tweet about it, but she still felt compelled to post something anyway. Agenda much? I love the way she felt the need to upper case that, as if to say: "My opinion, and the issues that I am passionate about are so important that I'm going to burst the bubble of everyone that hopes this is a great movie!" Personally who gives a rat's butt what she thinks. I certainly don't.

It's the way she said THAT is the reason for the embargo.
WB are definitely confident about the movie (whether it is good or bad) so I highly doubt that is the reason for the embargo.

 

[GreenKToo]

guys, relax..we have a small snippet of a scene where she said that.. granted, it could be as bad as some of you think, or hardly at all.
Lets see how the WHOLE scene plays out first.

 

[DKDetective]

I think a lot of people liked it, but were mostly "shocked" at the ending. I believe it was pretty divisive even then and it was clear it wasn't going to be TDK-level kind of acclaim early on.

That's not at all how I remember the early twitter reactions for TDKR. I recall them being extremely hyperbolic - claims that Nolan did it again and topped himself and that the film was an epic masterpiece. Over time, response slowly became more divided.

 

[Rogzilla]

guys, relax..we have a small snippet of a scene where she said that.. granted, it could be as bad as some of you think, or hardly at all.
Lets see how the WHOLE scene plays out first.

Agreed. The pacing is way too quick so there is at least some sort of cut there. Why don't we just relax and see if it is them trying to humanize a soldier or demean all women.

 

[shauner111]

Because its human nature, if you like something you want other people to like it, nobody wants to be alone with an opinion. If you absolutely love a movie but it has a 20% on rotten tomatoes it would be weird not to care.

I don't care if other people (strangers especially on the internet) don't like something that I like, maybe my friends are a different story. Sometimes.

If I love a movie and it has a 3 percent I can care less. All that matters is I love that movie and it affects me. I don't think that's weird to not care.

If people are worried about box office so they care about reviews, OK that's fine. I get that. But it's still 1 woman out of how many early reviews that are great??

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I think a lot of people liked it, but were mostly "shocked" at the ending. I believe it was pretty divisive even then and it was clear it wasn't going to be TDKR-level kind of acclaim early on.

Do you think this movie has similar early reactions to TDKR?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

There is unfortunately just such a stereotype. Ever seen Mad Men or even X-Men: First Class? Western society long held the opinion that women are "too emotional" to be real professionals and interact in the world of business or be trusted with anything important. I'm not saying that Motown is right, but there is a basis for his argument. You don't need to ridicule it.

Furthermore, you can't compare Apocalypse Now to Man of Steel. Apocalypse Now was about the breakdown of order and civilization in the field. The scene with Ferris and Stanwick in Man of Steel is completely different. It is a scene between officers being extremely formal. There is no sort of personal friendliness in Stanwick and Ferris' relationship. The soldiers in Apocalypse Now would behave completely differently if they were back home on a parade ground before a general officer. It's all about context.

Even today, that POV still holds to some degree. Sadly, I hear guys say things like that all the time.

Removing the arguably offensive aspect of the scene in question, is it fair to say that a woman in the military who conducts herself in such a way is unrealistic? That's a legit question. Is it something that audiences might look at and say, "That could never happen!" or something to that effect?