TMOS Set & Official Photo Thread - Discussion Welcome - Part 8

[McLarenMP4]

I find it strange that some fans of Superman care more about a costume than the story.

I don't find it strange at all. There's so many facets to the character that many people identify with different parts of it. The costume is the most visual part of the character along with the actor playing him so in an image obsessed world it doesn't seem that much of a stretch.

 

[Alchemy Arcade]

I find it strange that some fans of Superman care more about a costume than the story.

Agreed.

It reminds me of when a lot of fans got their panties in a knot over the first looks of the Batman Begins suit and were absolutely livid that it was just another black rubber suit instead of the gray on black they'd always dreamed to see on film.

(I would be a hypocrite if I said I didn't fall into that crowd )

But then the movie was released and the backlash was lifted because not only did the suit look great on screen, but it had something no other Batsuit had on film, it had meaning.

And I really think that's where they're going with the MoS suit.
Not only will it look better on screen (which IMO there's no way that amazing suit could look any better ) but it will have a story and a meaning all its own.

 

[knowsbleed]

I think it's pretty simple, critiquing a static image is all we have to do right now... movement denotes more excitement. And once story elements are added to that, the suit controversy will start to die down. MOS has nowhere near the outcry of a crap suit that SR brought on.

 

[Alchemy Arcade]

I think it's pretty simple, critiquing a static image is all we have to do right now... movement denotes more excitement. And once story elements are added to that, the suit controversy will start to die down.

Yep, and here's hoping we are only 31 days away from that.

 

[souperman]

And a damn fine take on it if I do say so myself.

I've never had the problem with the costume in previous versions of it but as you said, if the character was created today the trunks would not be there. His costume was designed similar to what strong men of the time were wearing and was right for that time.

I love the new suit even though my 1st impressions weren't great these new hires shots have totally changed my opinion of it.

Change is always a shock. Sometimes, like love, first impressions are intense, and can be good or bad, but it can grow on you too.

I think the MOS designers and studio tried to keep the best of Superman in these designs, including the cape, but if I were hired to design a NEW Superman, not having any history of S&S and Superman of history, I don't know if there would be a cape either. It would be a very tough task. The cape is very cool looking.

The cape, while very cool looking is hardly practical. Without it being used in film, where every shot can be planned and the cape controlled, it just gets in the way.

Even the shots of Superman walking around between takes you see how Cavill has to baby the cape and pull skitch it up like a long gown so he doesn't trip on it. Especially this MOS version long cape, I wonder how he didn't trip all over, especially in the fight sequences. It would be easy to step on if he crouches even a little.

I know in some animated versions they updated the suit with no cape. It works ok there, but I am glad they kept it for this.

The world is not ready for a cape-less Superman. After all, it is the cape that makes all great super heros...

There will be some funny out takes I think.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Maybe...and this is just a guess on my part...they prefer the costume Superman has been wearing up until last year. I don't understand why people can't see that.

I like the MoS costume and I think it will look good in action (especially with that awesome cape). I only have minor problems with it, but it's not better than the classic costume. Both costumes feel like Superman, but I seriously can't understand how can anyone say that the new one feels more like Superman.

I'm suprised we haven't seen any "Maybe he'll get a more classic costume at the end of the movie" type of comments though (unless I missed them). We seem to be getting them with every new superhero movie. I remember the rumor (or maybe it was speculation) that Superman would get a more bright and classic costume at the end of SR, after the world had accepted him back. Same with The Amazing Spider-Man. Some people hoped that Gwen would make him a classic costume after the one he has gets ruined in the fight with the Lizard.

you totally missed them

 

[Showtime]

The cape you see there is for that particular shot or sequence. They would have different lengths and slight varying materials for different shots.

 

[souperman]

...of course, but my point was that if it were for real, he could not change the cape when it was in the way and he could trip on it, get it caught on things, in doors, get tangled up etc. Heck, a long coat in winter can be a hassle getting in and out of cars and such.

I remember in the Batman films, they needed a stunt cape for the Batmobile scenes so he could jump in and sit without a bunched up cape under him.

Capes were once the rage in fashion and great in film.

Best capes:

Superman, Batman, Dracula, Count DooCu (same guy) etc.

They did get shorter as history went on.

Elvis, Evel Knievel, ...Liberace...

Again, very cool looking, especially on film in slo mo, flying etc. But practially, not so great. I suppose if they were, we'd still be wearing them.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

...of course, but my point was that if it were for real, he could not change the cape when it was in the way and he could trip on it, get it caught on things, in doors, get tangled up etc. Heck, a long coat in winter can be a hassle getting in and out of cars and such.

I remember in the Batman films, they needed a stunt cape for the Batmobile scenes so he could jump in and sit without a bunched up cape under him.

Capes were once the rage in fashion and great in film.

Best capes:

Superman, Batman, Dracula, Count DooCu (same guy) etc.

They did get shorter as history went on.

Elvis, Evil Knievel, ...Liberace...

Again, very cool looking, especially on film in slo mo, flying etc. But practially, not so great. I suppose if they were, we'd still be wearing them.

Superman don't use no stinking door

 

[regwec]

The cape, while very cool looking is hardly practical. Without it being used in film, where every shot can be planned and the cape controlled, it just gets in the way.

Superman can stop freight trains still, or lift jet planes out of the sky. Do you think he is going to trip over his cape?

 

[souperman]

One:

...Superman uses doors... just not door knobs! (ie: crashes through)

Two:

You can't, lift a jet plane out of the sky. That would be like asking how much dirt is in a hole 2 feet long by 2 feet wide by 2 feet deep!.

I'm not so worried about Superman tripping on the cape, but rather Henry Cavill.t:

 

[Dr.]

I think the MOS designers and studio tried to keep the best of Superman in these designs, including the cape, but if I were hired to design a NEW Superman, not having any history of S&S and Superman of history, I don't know if there would be a cape either. It would be a very tough task.

A long cape is very regal looking - and that’s reason enough to keep it (despite whatever behind-the-scenes problems it causes). And they might do a Batman Begins for the cape and depict some functionality - e.g., shielding Lois from a hail of bullets, etc. A little detail like that could address the “Edna Mole” criticisms.

 

[regwec]

You can't, lift a jet plane out of the sky. That would be like asking how much dirt is in a hole 2 feet long by 2 feet wide by 2 feet deep!.

Doesn't "lift" just mean "cause to ascend"? I would argue that a pilot can cause his plane to lift just by pulling back on the stick. In the scenario I allude to, it is implied that the plane is descending, or at least that Superman takes hold of it and alters its course. I don't think it is unduly misleading to describe his implied action as "lifting".

You now have the opportunity to begin one of these tedious Dictionary Definition Duels (DDDs), but we both know what I mean, so I suggest we move on.

 

[souperman]

just a little humor... that's why I added the wink. Touche'

And I agree completely about the look of the cape. Wonderful. Just commenting that if we think too hard about any Movie logic, it will fail.

who is Edna Mole?

Oh that Edna Mole... isn't the internet grand! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68ndaZSKa8

funny stuff...

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I just hope we get a DVD/Blu-Ray gag reel chock full of embarassing cape moments! t:

 

[RoughNTumble]

there are no embarrassing moments

henry cavill is a graceful swan

 

[HighFivingMF]

there are no embarrassing moments

henry cavill is a graceful swan

Of course. The gag reel would be other people tripping over it.

 

[RoughNTumble]

there could be a 6-8 hour video of him practical joking people by tripping them with his cape, but he is too graceful to accidentally trip anyone

 

[X Knight]

speaking of the cape, I hope we get at least one bad ass, billowing cape-in-the-wind shot!!

 

[xmangambit]

speaking of the cape, I hope we get at least one bad ass, billowing cape-in-the-wind shot!!

More than one please and an Epic Outro to the film flying amongst the stars or a new take on it through metropolis first would be awesome with epic music playing

 

[KingKane88]

Even the shots of Superman walking around between takes you see how Cavill has to baby the cape and pull skitch it up like a long gown so he doesn't trip on it. Especially this MOS version long cape, I wonder how he didn't trip all over, especially in the fight sequences. It would be easy to step on if he crouches even a little.

THIS CAPE IS TRULY EPIC!!! As Majestic as they come!


As far as him holding the cape up walking around, and you wondering how Henry delt with it during fight sequences? He didn't, the cape was off, the cape will be incorporated into the fight sequences using CGI.

There is a reason the "S" is not on the back of the cape (to much trouble to incorporate it into fight scene's with CGI), like it or not, the majority of the film with the cape flapping around will be mostly computed.



EDIT: To back up what I'm saying... When I spoke with Kimber Dolan while visiting the MOS set ( She is one of the spy photographers who brought us all the great pics from Plano/Smallville), she told me for the majority of filming during the "Punching" scenes (from what she witnessed), that Henry did not have his cape on, but in certain "Stills" inbetween these sequences they would put the cape on him, and her spy pics back this up.


I wouldn't worry about it, WETA and Double Negative are taking care of it for us.

 

[BH/HHH]

Agreed.

It reminds me of when a lot of fans got their panties in a knot over the first looks of the Batman Begins suit and were absolutely livid that it was just another black rubber suit instead of the gray on black they'd always dreamed to see on film.

(I would be a hypocrite if I said I didn't fall into that crowd )

But then the movie was released and the backlash was lifted because not only did the suit look great on screen, but it had something no other Batsuit had on film, it had meaning.

And I really think that's where they're going with the MoS suit.
Not only will it look better on screen (which IMO there's no way that amazing suit could look any better ) but it will have a story and a meaning all its own.

Agreed too, end of the day the costume is secondary to how good the film is.

Also on the Batman Grey & Black suit it'd never work. Grey and black would look corny as hell. You could get away with an extremely dark grey so that its almost black but not grey and black.

 

[Dangerman]

My only problem with any of Nolan/Bale's bat-suits is how hard it is to see the bat symbol other than that I am fine with it.

 

[musclesforsupes]

Some things I like and do not like about the costume.

Like:
-Huge S Shield by far my favorite of the movies.
-Huge red cape
-The more "realistic look" of the costume, makes me believe this is "real"
-Boots look great

Do not like:
-The S Shield shape, not to much of a fan of that, its not a deal breaker to me just not a fan of it.
-Sadly not a fan of no S Shield on the cape, even if its the black shield from the "New 52". To me that distingushes Superman from say Thor, these seem to echo other forums online from other posters on different sites, I wonder if they will use the excuse like in SR that the S Shield on the cape while filming would be hard to see or to keep the cape straight.
-Miss the shorts and the belt, yes I am old school just what I grew up with. However I will approach the movie with open eyes.
-Not a fan of the colors of the suits, again like SR they seem more muted..TO me Superman is a beacon of hope and he should "shine" so I think they dropped the ball on this again like in SR, however I know they are trying to make it "real" but wish it was a bit brighter, like the cape is bright wish the blue was.
-Finally not a fan of the "New 52" costume design I know they did that to promote the new comic line but just not a fan of it, again I am old school and just my opinion.

Overall I give the costume look 3.5 out of 5 stars! Good not great, but something I can maybe warm up too

Happy Thursday!

 

[souperman]

Is the S shield shape that much different?

I think the colors will be ok (hope) The official pic looked good colorwise. A real Blue and Red but not too light or pale. Guess we have to wait to see him in the light of day in a real film clip.