TMOS Set & Official Photo Thread - Discussion Welcome - Part 8

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I'd wager my let testicle WB are expecting far more conservative numbers than $400 million this time round.

If it were the Batman reboot or Amazing Spider-Man, I'd agree with you, but Superman's last go around performed modestly, and MoS is in just as tricky a release date. I expect Batman Begins numbers, which at the time WB weren't exactly ecstatic about.
 
I would prefer that WB kept their expectations Low as reboots like Batman Begins and a (restart after a long period.) Superman Returns did not do well at Box Office.

MOS earning 400 million worldwide would be okay.

Also. Look at how much praised and fairly "Successful" Marvel movies earned, with 3D assistance and higher ticket prices (as compared to SR which made about 391 mil. worldwide)

Thor - Worldwide collection: $449 mil.

Captain America -Worldwide collection: $368 mil.

X-Men First Class -Worldwide collection: $353 mil.

The Incredible Hulk - Worldwide collection:$263 mil.


I don't expect MOS to earn boatloads of cash like Transformer movies, Pirates movies or Avengers.

Superman Returns did better at ww box office than Batman Begins, Captain America, First Class and Hulk.

Ironic, huh?
 
budget was like 209+100 in marketing, made 201 domestic, 191 international. Not a bust for sure, but not a big success.

As I have already mentioned, the Marvel movies benefited from having 3D boost, higher ticket prices, lesser competition (as compared to SR which was competing against Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.) and all movies were a build up to Avengers.

In addition to all these factors, SR was a sequel to old Donner movies, the last one Superman 4 was considered as a disappointment and a 19 year gap.


Singer did not utilize the budget optimally. And If you are going to add the marketing budget to the production cost for SR, then do the same for other movies (TIH, X-Men:FC, Cap America, BB, Thor) and see how much profit they made.
 
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That didn't help. Nobody knew what Avengers was until they saw a trailer. I had to explain it every time it was referenced.

It is completely ridiculous to think that 4 years of Avenger tie-ins didn't help with that box office.
 
It is completely ridiculous to think that 4 years of Avenger tie-ins didn't help with that box office.

We were talking about the individual movies. Not The Avengers.

But Avengers did boost the Blu-Ray/DVD sales of Thor and Captain America after it came out.
 
That didn't help. Nobody knew what Avengers was until they saw a trailer. I had to explain it every time it was referenced.

Yeah, maybe general audience did not care, but many fans of Avengers (or comic book movies) decided to go and watch the movie just to see how all that was going towards the build up of Avengers movie event, for example I know many people who would not have gone to see Captain America but they did 'cause it was a movie leading up to Avengers and they were curious how will Marvel tie it together.
 
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Superman Returns did better at ww box office than Batman Begins, Captain America, First Class and Hulk.

Ironic, huh?

But cost more than all of them and didn't break even.
If you’re comparing the relative popularity of films (how one connected more with audiences than another, how one tapped into the zeitgeist more successfully than another) then box office is a reasonably good yardstick. A movie that earned $150M obviously “connected” better than a movie that earned $50M. More precisely, divide the gross by the average ticket price and you get “units sold” - an apples-to-apples comparison (which is how book and Top 40 music sales are measured).

But under this type of “sociological analysis” (box office as an indicator of cultural resonance), budgets and profitability become irrelevant. Subtracting the production budget from net profits doesn’t retroactively affect the number of people who actually saw the movie.
 
^^ Agreed.

Superman is just as much popular as Thor, Cap. America, Hulk (maybe more), as the comparative analysis shows that the number of people who decided to watch SR was comparable to other Marvel movies (maybe a bit more.)

Which brings me to my original point, that MOS would be earning in the range of 400 mil as all other movies have earnings near that figure.
 
If you’re comparing the relative popularity of films (how one connected more with audiences than another, how one tapped into the zeitgeist more successfully than another) then box office is a reasonably good yardstick. A movie that earned $150M obviously “connected” better than a movie that earned $50M. More precisely, divide the gross by the average ticket price and you get “units sold” - an apples-to-apples comparison (which is how book and Top 40 music sales are measured).

But under this type of “sociological analysis” (box office as an indicator of cultural resonance), budgets and profitability become irrelevant. Subtracting the production budget from net profits doesn’t retroactively affect the number of people who actually saw the movie.

Yes, but you must also account for the resources a film creator has. Say for example, if Christopher Nolan's "big break" movie was Inception rather than Memento, and created on the same budget as Memento, do you think as many people would have gone to see it as the real version? I certainly don't, because it wouldn't have had the same financial backing of the movie studio.

The ability for a film to do well financially is quite often intrinsically linked in how much financial backing it received and the studio always wants the films to make them money, Superman Returns didn't, it lost money (someone else quoted the movies number against budget and on average the studio gets around 55% of that).

Not to mention the fact the film was written into a corner narratively, having only a relatively good reception and any potential sequel being delayed by Singer.

It was by no means a disaster, but a sequel was never likely, gross and budget were just two of a few reasons.

Man of Steel won't have those problems, but it will have to compete with a bad opening position, and being a relatively small fish in a much bigger pond. But I forgot it will have a 3-D boost, I now expect numbers a bit better than Batman Begins.
 
This conversation is quickly deteriorating into the "too smart for its own good" category. :o
 
as long as MOS is successful enough (financially and critically) to spawn sequels and finally establish a new Superman film franchise, I'll be happy.
 
Just hope for a good to great movie. That's good enough.
 
I keep telling people at work about MOS, and oddly enough most didn't really even know much about it, if at all. I expect that will change within the next month though.
 
I've learned that most of the outside world does'nt tend to know of a film's existence until about a month or so before release. Unless they've seen a trailer, of course.

And since neither of those are the case...
 
I've learned that most of the outside world does'nt tend to know of a film's existence until about a month or so before release. Unless they've seen a trailer, of course.

And since neither of those are the case...
pretty much all of the GA is like that

they dont know about a movie till they need to

i dont expect any GA to know about a film a year away lol
 
I don't know about movies until they come out, or I see a preview in the theater.

Exception being superheroes or someone like quentin tarantino or terrence malick or p.t. anderson putting out a movie.
 
exactly. If you aren't a huge fan of the character, like say John McClane, you won't have a clue they are filming a new Die Hard movie until you see a trailer. But if you are a big fan of the character then you will follow everything about it...unless you don't want to know anything about it
 
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Even if you tell someone that a new Superman movie is coming out next year, they will forget about it in two days.

Ask them if they know about the MOS after a week and they will say something like - Really ?
 
*IF* MOS is any good, W.O.M. will take care of the B.O.
 
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