To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN)

[XtremelyBaneful]

What if you don't want to procreate?

what do you mean? there's birth control and stuff like that..

 

[jmc]

what do you mean? there's birth control and stuff like that..

The actually need to have sex not protection. Some people are born with a complete disinterest in sex.

 

[Howlett]

what do you mean? there's birth control and stuff like that..

And there are plenty of religions that think birth control is wrong. Catholicism being one.

 

[Warhammer]

What if you don't want to procreate?

I can't speak for Protestantism since it isn't mentioned in the Bible so there will be opinions and variations. But according to Roman Catholicism, I'm pretty sure it's still a sin. And no to getting your tubes tied or a vasectomy. Unnecessary alterations to the body is a sin (Principle of Totality).

 

[Feenix]

If you don't have the desire to procreate it's natures way of eliminating your DNA from the gene pool. It's survival of the fittest.

I don't think nature plays a big part in human choices. Yes, we're still animals but we have evolved way past primitive animalistic desires.

Besides, I don't want to procreate because I don't want to ruin my body and I hate the idea of pregnancy. I'm open to adoption (which is still unlikely, but it's the only way I would ever have children).

I think chalking sex up to nature is a little bit too simplistic. We can and do have sex purely for pleasure.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't think nature plays a big part in human choices. Yes, we're still animals but we have evolved way past primitive animalistic desires.

Besides, I don't want to procreate because I don't want to ruin my body and I hate the idea of pregnancy. I'm open to adoption (which is still unlikely, but it's the only way I would ever have children).

I think chalking sex up to nature is a little bit too simplistic. We can and do have sex purely for pleasure.

we do have sex for pleasure, and it is quite pleasureful, but I don't think women's bodies get ruined just by giving birth.

 

[jmc]

I don't think nature plays a big part in human choices. Yes, we're still animals but we have evolved way past primitive animalistic desires.

Besides, I don't want to procreate because I don't want to ruin my body and I hate the idea of pregnancy. I'm open to adoption (which is still unlikely, but it's the only way I would ever have children).

I think chalking sex up to nature is a little bit too simplistic. We can and do have sex purely for pleasure.

So do other animals. You think we're the only ones who do it for fun?

 

[Feenix]

No I know we're not. I was just commenting on your comment about our animalistic desire to procreate. I think that's too simplistic.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

So do other animals. You think we're the only ones who do it for fun?

i'm pretty sure all animals mate just to produce offspring of their own kin to make sure it continues.

 

[Feenix]

we do have sex for pleasure, and it is quite pleasureful, but I don't think women's bodies get ruined just by giving birth.

It does a number on women's bodies. I don't want to go through that. Pregnancy is not appealing to me.

 

[Feenix]

i'm pretty sure all animals mate just to produce offspring of their own kin to make sure it continues.

We know dolphins have sex for pleasure.

 

[Howlett]

i'm pretty sure all animals mate just to produce offspring of their own kin to make sure it continues.

And it feels really good to encourage them to do it a lot to continue breeding.

 

[jmc]

i'm pretty sure all animals mate just to produce offspring of their own kin to make sure it continues.

There is enough evidence to suggest otherwise. I encourage you to read about it because how animal behaviour works is directly related to how we work.

 

[Marvolo]

The shear fact it's viewed as lust in anyway indicates a lack of understanding that at our core we are animals first and foremost and are built with the mindset of wanting to pass on our genes to the next generation. It's not lust to want to procreate any more than it's lust to want to feed ourselves.

Assuming that procreation is the only reason humans have sex is to misunderstand human sexuality. Not everyone has sex purely for procreation. Sex developed as a means of procreation for many species but humans don't have sex solely for procreation. It's something that's sets humans and a few other species apart. Dolphins being one of those other few species.

I don't want kids. So far my sexual encounters in life were purely motivated by me and my girl wanting to orgasm and full around. Other times I slept with a girl simply because I was attracted to her. That is a form of lust. The definition of lust is: : a strong feeling of sexual desire
: a strong desire for something.

Lust exists and is a component of human sexuality whether you accept that or not. Talk to any competent scientist in the field of human behavior, development, psychology, biology etc. Humans have sex for other reasons besides procreation.

And some religions view lust as a negative thing, because it's a thing of the flesh. It's you letting your flesh control you. Even a non religious person shouldn't view self control as a bad thing. Religion isn't the only one advocating self control.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It does a number on women's bodies. I don't want to go through that. Pregnancy is not appealing to me.

word, do you yo. it's pretty telling of how important the female in life is knowing what they put themselves through for child bearing.

there's some famous hadith or something out there like that that goes by the story of a civilian asking a prophet, "who deserves most of my respect?"
"your mother."
"after her?"
"your mother."
"...after her?"
"your mother."
"after her?"
"your father."

the mother is 3x as important as the father. I don't mean this literally, I don't know all the details or context of this hadith but this was the general idea.

We know dolphins have sex for pleasure.

I dunno if it was some satirical rumor that started it, but I heard a few years back of dolphins attempting to rape human beings.

And it feels really good to encourage them to do it a lot to continue breeding.

I think it depends on the species.

There is enough evidence to suggest otherwise. I encourage you to read about it because how animal behaviour works is directly related to how we work.

maybe, but for now I'll take your word for it.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I don't get the idea that you NEED to sleep with mutiple people before marriage to find "sexual compatibility" or to "explore your sexuality". Not trying to offend people that have those views, but it seems TO ME like it's a way to justify sleeping around. One sexual partner is all you need in my opinion.

I have three groups of friends who are also all christians and stayed virgins until marriage. I was curious since it was brought up in this topic and I just asked one friend out of curiosity, was he worried about the sex being bad or not being sexuality compatible as some have said. He basically said, what I posted earlier, sex was gonna be good regardless because he genuinely loved his wife beyond just a physical attraction. He also doesn't believe in the "try it before you buy it" lifestyle most other people relationships. He says his sex life has been good for the year he's been married. In fact, he claims that him and his wife where brought closer together on their wedding night. He says if they had done it before marriage, he felt like their wedding wouldn't have been as special.

Like my christian friend, I want that to be an experience shared with my wife. That's why I don't mind waiting. It's not like I am missing out on anything other than meaningless sex with girls I don't really care about. And of course the risks of unexpected pregnancies and STD's. I would also be constantly comparing on sexual partner to the next, which isn't something I am interested in doing. But that's just me. I said all I can say on this subject ha.

 

[jmc]

Assuming that procreation is the only reason humans have sex is to misunderstand human sexuality. Not everyone has sex purely for procreation. Sex developed as a means of procreation for many species but humans don't have sex solely for procreation. It's something that's sets humans and a few other species apart. Dolphins being one of those other few species.

I don't want kids. So far my sexual encounters in life were purely motivated by me and my girl wanting to orgasm and full around. Other times I slept with a girl simply because I was attracted to her. That is a form of lust. The definition of lust is: : a strong feeling of sexual desire
: a strong desire for something.

Lust exists and is a component of human sexuality whether you accept that or not. Talk to any competent scientist in the field of human behavior, development, psychology, biology etc. Humans have sex for other reasons besides procreation.

And some religions view lust as a negative thing, because it's a thing of the flesh. It's you letting your flesh control you. Even a non religious person shouldn't view self control as a bad thing. Religion isn't the only one advocating self control.

You are correct, however the fundamental drive for sexual behaviour is to produce offspring and ensure the survival of the species. Yes, pleasure is a part of it and is intricately linked, just as it is with food, or sleep, lust does exist as an emotion and I don't deny that. Looking at my previous post I worded that point poorly, I should have written 'simply as lust', I didn't really clarify that I meant it in a negative context so that's my bad. That clarified, these are parts of what it is to be human and don't need to be controlled. The vast majority of people aren't looking to get laid 24/7, so the idea that it needs some form of policing relgious or not is frankly illogical.

 

[moviedoors]

I can finally weigh-in in full.

For me, I needed to have multiple partners to find what I needed. It didn't take dozens, but it did take more than one. As previously said, I'm an atheist, and I wasn't saving myself for any religious reasons. I still didn't lose my virginity until I was 25. I ended up in a years long relationship with the person I lost my virginity to. It fell apart. It fell apart for many reasons, and I will stress that I'm not going to point the blame at any one party. It takes two to tango. But I can say for certain that as the years passed, sexual satisfaction was allusive, for both of us. It was great at first. Hell, it was great for a long time. But eventually, the cracks were there. With all the other problems we were eventually having in our relationship, laying sexual incompatibility on top of it all was NOT going to help. A part of that incompatibility can be laid at the feet of the downward spiral of our interpersonal relationship, but that isn't the whole story. It's really hard to maintain passion with a person when the idea of your sex life being crippled in the process is on the table.

Because of that prior relationship, and the experiences I had in between, I know that my fiance' is the person I want to be with. In addition to the myriad lessons I learned about simply being a good person, learning what I needed in my sex life was crucial, and I have it now.

It has drastically affected the way I am going to raise my daughter (9 and 1/2 months old now). I do not want her to jump into something too early. I want her to experiment and know what she wants when she becomes a young woman. I want her to live a sex positive life. That doesn't mean I'm going to encourage her to be a floozy, but I want her to have a frank, realistic understanding of sex, it's consequences, and it's importance.

 

[Apollo]

The second episode of Finding Jesus was on tonight on CNN. It was about John the Baptist and bones that could have belonged to him. So far the show is very well done. I felt the first episode regarding the Shroud of Turin episode wasn't complete. There is a lot more about the shroud that they left out. But they did their best with a 40 minute per episode time limit. So far the science and dramitization are both compelling. I am glad CNN decided to produce and show it.

 

[spiderman2]

I don't get the idea that you NEED to sleep with mutiple people before marriage to find "sexual compatibility" or to "explore your sexuality". Not trying to offend people that have those views, but it seems TO ME like it's a way to justify sleeping around. One sexual partner is all you need in my opinion.

I have three groups of friends who are also all christians and stayed virgins until marriage. I was curious since it was brought up in this topic and I just asked one friend out of curiosity, was he worried about the sex being bad or not being sexuality compatible as some have said. He basically said, what I posted earlier, sex was gonna be good regardless because he genuinely loved his wife beyond just a physical attraction. He also doesn't believe in the "try it before you buy it" lifestyle most other people relationships. He says his sex life has been good for the year he's been married. In fact, he claims that him and his wife where brought closer together on their wedding night. He says if they had done it before marriage, he felt like their wedding wouldn't have been as special.

Like my christian friend, I want that to be an experience shared with my wife. That's why I don't mind waiting. It's not like I am missing out on anything other than meaningless sex with girls I don't really care about. And of course the risks of unexpected pregnancies and STD's. I would also be constantly comparing on sexual partner to the next, which isn't something I am interested in doing. But that's just me. I said all I can say on this subject ha.

Yeah I agree that is why I said I think sex is always going to be good with some one you are married to because you are in love so the passion that comes because of that. While I have not had sex before I have heard before that not only the physical form sex but that there is also a big emotional epact with sex and so if you are having sex with some one you really love I think the emotional epact form the sex is going to be great.

 

[spiderman2]

The second episode of Finding Jesus was on tonight on CNN. It was about John the Baptist and bones that could have belonged to him. So far the show is very well done. I felt the first episode regarding the Shroud of Turin episode wasn't complete. There is a lot more about the shroud that they left out. But they did their best with a 40 minute per episode time limit. So far the science and dramitization are both compelling. I am glad CNN decided to produce and show it.

Oh interesting. I thought this finding jesus thing was just a 1 time show thing not a sierras of episodes.

 

[spiderman2]

You're really reaching here. There are plenty of ways to control the length of an erection and power of "discharge". If a fervent *********or stops *********ing for a few weeks, or even days, the discharge will be just as powerful as it was before.



That's because it's their job. The sex between them and their 'proper' partner will feel just as meaningful because there's an emotional connection there.



I don't believe God exists and I don't believe the writers of the Bible or the Qu'ran know what's best for me.



And yet, scientists still *********e, have sex outside of marriage, eat non-halal foods. Can't be too bad, then.

I have heard different things about sex and *********ing and if it effects things or not like that kind of stuff that you guys where talking about.
I have heard studies that say that it dose and studies that say it dosnt so I don't really no what to think about that.

Well for me, my future girlfriend/ wife would need to be a christian. If she had sex in the past but is currently in relationship with Christ I would be okay with that. It's highly unlikely that I would purse a relationship with a girl who isn't a Christian.

I am very mixed when it comes to that my self. I mean first there are Christian that have had sex and regret and even people that are not that regret it. Second I would prefer someone who is a Christiane has I think it is going to give you something that you have in common and I think people that are Christians that are less likely to cheat and are going to have better mormols most of the time but I wouldn't say I wouldn't go out or marry some one that is not a Christiane has they could still have good values.

 

[Human Torch]

Yeah I agree that is why I said I think sex is always going to be good with some one you are married to because you are in love so the passion that comes because of that. While I have not had sex before I have heard before that not only the physical form sex but that there is also a big emotional epact with sex and so if you are having sex with some one you really love I think the emotional epact form the sex is going to be great.

I think you're on the right track there,Spidey.

You have to remember love is a choice of commitment. It's not supposed to be some animalistic reaction. You are supposed to be selfless in dedicating your life to one person. In sickness and health etc. It's not supposed to be a case of comparing experiences over a dozen people and picking your favorite. You don't need that to dedicate your life to someone.

 

[spiderman2]

I think you're on the right track there,Spidey.

You have to remember love is a choice of commitment. It's not supposed to be some animalistic reaction. You are supposed to be selfless in dedicating your life to one person. In sickness and health etc. It's not supposed to be a case of comparing experiences over a dozen people and picking your favorite. You don't need that to dedicate your life to someone.

Thinks I do have to say though that this is hard and I would be lieying if I said it wasn't. I have never had a changes to have sex has I am 25 never had a GF and I am not good with woman. My point is even though I do believe in being married first if I had a gf who I liked a lot and we had been going out for a while and thing where going while and she want to or was really to have sex or something I don't know if I would be able to reset and I would maybe give in. Its hard to say because like I said I have never had something like that. What I can tell you is I would never no matter how hot a girl is have sex on a first date or any thing no matter how great the date was going or anything has I would never think to do something like that in the first place has that just sounds really messed up thing to do in my opinun.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I've never understood the desire from religious groups to repress something that comes as natural as the need to consume food. It's one thing to try and control someone from indulging in drugs, alcohol or smoking, none of those are natural needs, but the need to procreate is built into us from the moment we're born and trying to romanticise it, or worse demonise it, doesn't do anything but confuse people and lull them into a sense of shame and guilt.

Not repress, guide and manage.
A diet program.