The Dark Knight To Bleach or Not to Bleach? That is the Question

[Jokeneser]

His performance is fantabulous: permanent or painted.

 

[regwec]

"It's not my rules, but what I dooOOOOooo that defines me".

 

[deathfromabove]

"I have one rule," and "Tonight you're gonna break your one rule" makes me so unbelievably happy. It defies description.

wait a sec where did you see/hear this?

 

[regwec]

No.7, I think? Don't remember.

 

[Saint]

wait a sec where did you see/hear this?

TV spot #9; it's on the front page.

 

[deathfromabove]

No.7, I think? Don't remember.

TV spot #9; it's on the front page.

thank you gentlemen.

 

[deathfromabove]

holy christ.

"introduce a little anarchy..."

i like the sound of that...

whats with all the double takes on the audio? do you think they are just trying to use as much of heath's performance as possible or what?

 

[nickyg641]

I was reading Jett's interview with Nolan, and Jett commented on the permawhite thing. Probably the most straight-forward question that's been asked about it. And it frustrates me a bit that he still avoids the question.

BOF: Exactly. I’m sure you know for the first 11 years of The Joker there was no “origin story” and no explanation for why he looks and acts the way he does. Now some Batman fans will say -- or have an issue with the fact that he’s not “permawhite.” You know, the white skin and green hair being permanent. I certainly understand and respect that POV. But I say that I don’t know if he is or isn’t -- even though it’s clear that he does wear makeup.
CN: Yeah. I felt very strongly that when you take these extraordinary characters -- in the movies, I’m talking very much about the movies here. But you take these extraordinary characters and the more you find out about them -- where they came from and all -- the less interesting they become. And that’s very true to me of say Hannibal Lectre or Darth Vader. You know when we first saw them onscreen, they were fully formed and an absolute. Unlike Batman -- who I wanted very much to explore his origin and where he came from -- with heroes it’s just different. But with villains, it’s the opposite. So with The Joker, I wanted present him as an absolute, an agent of chaos and anarchy.

 

[guitarkhero311]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/884/884876p2.html


That settles the origin and comic accuracy of the character right there.

 

[turtlefocker]

I would have liked for him to have been a more comic accurate Joker in appearance.

 

[TNC9852002]

I would have liked for him to have been a more comic accurate Joker in appearance.

When you think about it, he looks as accurate as everyone else does in the movie...

-TNC

 

[Superark]

I remember hating the fact he wasn't permawhite and had the scars, but after seeing the way Nolan has portrayed it and how sick Joker looks, I'm amazed!

I really like wha I'm reading too, ya know how Joker keeps telling a different tale about how he got his scars. Shows you how twisted and messed up he really is.

 

[Hole Shot]

I would have liked for him to have been a more comic accurate Joker in appearance.

I've come to deal with the make-up, like the suit but still have issues with the long hair. It's like Heath had a deal that every other movie he could have his hair that length. I just wish it was shorter (not short) and wild.

 

[nickyg641]

I've come to deal with the make-up, like the suit but still have issues with the long hair. It's like Heath had a deal that every other movie he could have his hair that length. I just wish it was shorter (not short) and wild.

You mean like the picture of him on the bench in the cell? Yeah, that would have been great.

 

[SonikDeath]

I cant picture this Joker with the makeup on and the scars and short hair.

 

[ManchesterCityX]

Anyone else grown to hate the term 'permawhite'?

URGH

I throw up in my mouth a bit every time I read it.

 

[trekfan]

I saw an article posted here about a make up artist who said Heath created the look we see. He had a vision for this character, from how he sounded to how he looked. And Chris liked his vision and went with it.

(permawhite EW, I've heard of permafrost but not that)

Hello everyone btw, I'm a newbie t:

 

[Saint]

Anyone else grown to hate the term 'permawhite'?

URGH

I throw up in my mouth a bit every time I read it.

Yes. I hated it from day one, by virtue of it being a nonsense slang; the result of keyboard laze.

 

[nickyg641]

At first, I thought it was amusing, the phrase "permawhite". Like a new word entered into the lexicon of geekdom. But then it became annoying.

 

[The Shape]

I personally like Heath's longer hair a lot and the fact that it's not completely green, a la Jack Nicholson in '89. Everything about this Joker seems to be quite fresh, especially his appearance, but at the same time, everything is so spot on with the Joker that we know and love...even his appearance!

Sure, he's not "permawhite", but he's still got a white face, red lips, green hair, purple outfit, and an appetite for anarchy. The characterization seems to be pretty flawless to me, based on everything we've seen and heard. Just the Joker's lines alone seem perfect -- "Does it depress you? How alone you really are?" "Tonight you're gonna break your one rule." "When the chips are down, these civilized people will eat each other." "See, to them, you're just a freak....like me!"

Just when I thought I couldn't get any more excited, we hear that the Joker gives several different "origins" for himself throughout the film. Awesome.

 

[batpawn]

I was reading Jett's interview with Nolan, and Jett commented on the permawhite thing. Probably the most straight-forward question that's been asked about it. And it frustrates me a bit that he still avoids the question.

i think he answered it very clearly. making him permawhite would tell the fans that he fell into the chemistry bath, instead he just let's him wear makeup, so it's more of a mystery where he comes from and what happended to him. i think that this is very straight.

 

[secretsquirrely]

TV spot #9; it's on the front page.

eh? I'm confused. do we hear him say this or do you see it or something? I have yet to see a single TV spot where he says this

 

[nickyg641]

i think he answered it very clearly. making him permawhite would tell the fans that he fell into the chemistry bath, instead he just let's him wear makeup, so it's more of a mystery where he comes from and what happended to him. i think that this is very straight.

And giving him makeup tells you that he bought some face-paint. And giving him a scarred smile tells you that, somewhere down the line, he was cut. For what reason and by whom are the mysteries. Same with the chemical bath. It's not how he came to look like he does, because logic takes care of that.

It's the circumstances surrounding his fateful drop into the vat that is the mystery, as it's always been.

 

[The Shape]

eh? I'm confused. do we hear him say this or do you see it or something? I have yet to see a single TV spot where he says this

Jeez.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SwEeLJ5UqwY

 

[batpawn]

And giving him makeup tells you that he bought some face-paint. And giving him a scarred smile tells you that, somewhere down the line, he was cut. For what reason and by whom are the mysteries. Same with the chemical bath. It's not how he came to look like he does, because logic takes care of that.

no, because with the chemicalbath, you can easily take a reference out of the comics and "know" what happened, that doesn't work with the make-up.

It's the circumstances surrounding his fateful drop into the vat that is the mystery, as it's always been.

as i said, movie goers wil reference to burtons interpretation of the joker origin, comicfans will have at least 3 different origins to chose. there is no real mystery with that. but the makeup and scarred smile is new, fresh and the different origins you will kinda hear about in the movie will tease you enough to create your own origin. i think it works.