The Dark Knight To Bleach or Not to Bleach? That is the Question

[Ace of Knaves]

yea maybe the joker could have a "smear up" style protest in his cell, angry that his "face" has been taken away. so he gets hold of some chemicals and sorta baptises himself in them as the wardon and guards who are trying to stop him helplessly look on. as you hear the chemicals fizzing and burning his skin he starts maniacally laughing.

 

[nightwing666]

this joker didnt need to be Permawhite to be the joker ok people.stop complianing.

 

[JaD]

Did you register just to get probation or something?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

this joker didnt need to be Permawhite to be the joker ok people.stop complianing.

lol i aint complaining, i was one of the people who said they were happy with the Joker wearing make-up, i think it adds something to the character. but that doesn't mean we can't throw ideas out there about how he could be permawhite.

 

[nightwing666]

read what it says under nightwing666 ,JaD- new user.

 

[nightwing666]

but in tdk you can see that the make up strats to run on his face so how can he be permawhite?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

no we are talking about ways if he is in the third film he could throw bleach over his face or summin. maybe being locked in a cell 24/7 without his "face" could make him even more crazy and then one day he sorta has a protest and as the guards and warden are watching throws aload of acid or bleach over himself while laughing hysterically

 

[nightwing666]

that sounds like a good idea.to one day the joker get bleach thrown over his face maybe in the 3rd or 4th movie.so maybe this joker is just the beginn from tdk

 

[nightwing666]

but I dont see nolan doing that> good idea though.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

dont worry man the first few weeks are the hardest!

 

[nightwing666]

thanx man!

 

[nightwing666]

hey man I got to ask you if do you understand Ra's in BB I know its not the question for this post bu I just want to ask someone?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

do i understand him? what do you mean?

 

[nightwing666]

alot of people think that he's immortal.this is my say on Ra's. Ken was the decoy Ra's then he died and at the party at the end there was a similar asian looking Ra's that took his place as the decoy.By doing that by keep replacing the decoy with a similar looking asian Ra's it looks like tha same Ra's has been around for centuries,Looking like he's (Immortal)that the decoy always dresses in red and green robes and maybe the original Ra's was aribic hence the aribic name.

Now ducard/ra's is just a title.ducard said at the campfire that he once had a great love and that vengence solved his problems because he says he always wasnt in the mountains.He's just like bruce where he lost someone and joined the league of shadows and became their best ninja but he believes in everything that the league says and does, not like bruce and when the (then) head (white or black or whatever colour) leader of the league died he became Ra's.So if bruce did behead that farmer and did their mission to destroy gotham and the ducard/ra's died Bruce would take the title of Ra's,becoming the head of the league of shadows.when Ducard goes out to find new people or (ninjas) he just uses the name Ducard,but when he's at home with the league he's called Ra's.I believe that if bruce beheaded the farmer to show his trust Ducard would of told bruce that he's the real Ra's (Ra's is the title of the man in charge).To back this up first buce says "Ra's is dead I watched him die" then ducard says to bruce at the party "is Ra's al ghul immortal or his methods simply supernatural" then bruce say's to ducard "or cheap parlor tricks to consume your true identity Ra's" and then ducard nods.But the neeson ducard/ra's still has the goatee/beard like in the comics.What's your say thanx mate?

 

[regwec]

Wrong thread, nightwing.

Further to the concept of The Joker chemically scarring himself in Arkham; wouldn't it be nasty if he took a guard hostage, and experimented on him first in order to perfect the technique? It would serve as a sort of reference to his techniques of "Jokerising" people in the comics, too.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea reg that sounds cool, or better yet not a guard, but just one of the doctors working there. they could find the body in a storage room and realise its the jokers work, then they all rush to jokers cell just in time to see him pour all the bleaches and chemicals all over himself. as you hear the chemicals fizzing away and burning his skin he at first starts screaming in pain, but it slowly turns into maniacal laughter as the guards and warden watch in horror. now that would be grusome!!

 

[nightwing666]

sorry guys from before.I really like joker with make-up because it makes him much more crazy and dangerous.He says "look how crazy batman's made gotham" and points to himself.Say first he's a really smart man then somehow he gets the scars,maybe he had a wife or his father did them or he was just sick of his life which happens to be his one bad day that pushes him over the edge then batman arrives in town and joker gets inspired by batman to adopt a new face/mask hence he puts on clown/war paint and eventually gets lost in the joker persona and forgets his past life or chooses not to remember.he gets back at the city because of the **** life it has given hime and he doesnt believe in their laws.He is still very smart but makes out that he's extremally crazy and not in control.Really he is.He still very insane.
I just dont by that batman dropped him into that vat and his skin turned bleached,red lips and green hair that makes him crazy.
thats my 2cents.I am a big batman comic reader.

 

[nightwing666]

he did jokerise people remember how he put white makeup on brian douglas and cut a smile on his face plus with red lip stick.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

nightwing666 you seem to confuse me for one of the people that was against make-up. i've always been on the side that said i prefer the make-up in this portrayal, i think it deffinatly adds to the character. this guy has obviously been horribly disfigured but the fact that he CHOOSES to highlight his gruesome appearance is all the more terrifying in my opinion. i think of the joker as a outcast who is labelled a freak(note his anger at being called a freak or crazy) whether by society generally or by his peers (fellow gangsters or stick up guys) who has been pushed so far to the edge that he is ready to crack. then when this mysterious "batman" shows up in Gotham this guy (joker) completely snaps, seeing this other freak around Gotham gives him a excuse to become something more than just a man. He then decides to use make up to highlight what he is and begin his reign of terror, maybe thinking he'll show Gotham what a real freak is. He obviously knows he is a freak, but his reaction to when people call him a freak indicates that maybe he was bullied and ridiculed before he took on the joker persona, and now he wants to show society that their perceptions of wrong and right, normal and abnormal are nothing but bad jokes.

 

[nightwing666]

nightwing666 you seem to confuse me for one of the people that was against make-up. i've always been on the side that said i prefer the make-up in this portrayal, i think it deffinatly adds to the character. this guy has obviously been horribly disfigured but the fact that he CHOOSES to highlight his gruesome appearance is all the more terrifying in my opinion. i think of the joker as a outcast who is labelled a freak(note his anger at being called a freak or crazy) whether by society generally or by his peers (fellow gangsters or stick up guys) who has been pushed so far to the edge that he is ready to crack. then when this mysterious "batman" shows up in Gotham this guy (joker) completely snaps, seeing this other freak around Gotham gives him a excuse to become something more than just a man. He then decides to use make up to highlight what he is and begin his reign of terror, maybe thinking he'll show Gotham what a real freak is. He obviously knows he is a freak, but his reaction to when people call him a freak indicates that maybe he was bullied and ridiculed before he took on the joker persona, and now he wants to show society that their perceptions of wrong and right, normal and abnormal are nothing but bad jokes.

thats what i was trying to say but i didnt use the right words.thanx man sorry if i confused u.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

no worries man

 

[Banquet]

Wrong thread, nightwing.

Further to the concept of The Joker chemically scarring himself in Arkham; wouldn't it be nasty if he took a guard hostage, and experimented on him first in order to perfect the technique? It would serve as a sort of reference to his techniques of "Jokerising" people in the comics, too.

The biggest drawback to the makeup Joker is that in Arkham he will just be a guy with scars... no green hair or purple suit or anything. I don't think the Joker would purposely inflict the perma-white on himself, though... in the comics it was an accident so it wouldn't make sense.

The thing about Nolan's Joker was that he wasn't clinically insane. He was just very demented and evil. If he had a pathological need to have the white face etc. it would tip over into the "clinically insane" catagory. I could just see the psychiatrists jumping all over that and it would take away from his psychological power over others.

The only reason to make him perma-white in Arkham is to make us feel better about having the chalk faced, green haired villain we're used to at all times. But I doubt we'll ever have to deal with this problem in the films so it doesn't matter much anyway.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

yea reg that sounds cool, or better yet not a guard, but just one of the doctors working there. they could find the body in a storage room and realise its the jokers work, then they all rush to jokers cell just in time to see him pour all the bleaches and chemicals all over himself. as you hear the chemicals fizzing away and burning his skin he at first starts screaming in pain, but it slowly turns into maniacal laughter as the guards and warden watch in horror. now that would be grusome!!

And I find this absolutely stupid, and pointless.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And I find this absolutely stupid, and pointless.

don't get lemon son, or i'll open you up like a can of baked beans!!!

but yea thinking about it now it is a pretty stupid idea, i think it would be quite interesting to see joker without make up anyway. i think the make-up is deffs part of the character, but i feel just his scars also represent the twisted clown persona.

 

[ronny]

I don't think the Joker would purposely inflict the perma-white on himself, though... in the comics it was an accident so it wouldn't make sense.

We don't know it was an accident. The Joker is a master planner, perhaps he himself engineered the situation which led to his chemical bath? The guy was messed up before it happened. He was probably like the Ledger Joker, a crazed loon who dresses up like a clown. So what better punchline than to make it permanent? And to have his greatest foe there too. His obsession with Batman was also something he had before he got bleached.
But it being an accident just doesn't work for me. The idea of The Joker, someone so sharp and cunning, being taken off guard is just wrong. Plus, it brings in themes of guilt and revenge which aren't needed.
For Two-Face it works, he got disfigured and now cannot differentiate friends from enemies, Batman feels responsible.
But The Joker? Not the same thing. He enjoys killing and he probably enjoyed finding out that his clown image was now everlasting. He is both a simplistic character but one with so many levels it's astounding.
But he is not a tragic monster who was the victim of circumstance. I really cannot believe that.