The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

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Yes, this is what I've been saying and why he's trying to push The Flash to keep getting faster and faster.

I think the reason Wells finally decided to let Barry come face-to-face with the Reverse Flash is because he knows it will drive Barry to push even further to develop his speed force. If you notice in the promo for the next episode, it's all about Barry getting faster and pushing himself. RF could have easily killed him multiple times.

Reverse Flash needs something from Barry to regain the ability to time travel and return to his own time. Or at least that's one possible theory.

Maybe he needs Barry to go back in time and save his wife, explaining why he killed Nora, so Barry knows what it means to lose someone you love (twisted villain logic).
 
What's H Wells middle name? Because it it starts with a "G" then he could be a time traveler
 
Maybe he needs Barry to go back in time and save his wife, explaining why he killed Nora, so Barry knows what it means to lose someone you love (twisted villain logic).

Or maybe he just needs Barry alive so that the speed force could eventually be created then he can then siphon it for his own agenda and create a negative speed force out of it. That way he's no longer dependent on a suit and is a natural speedster. I still don't get how people are asking "how can he be in two places at once?" What part of he's using a tachyon particle generator was hard to understand?

Here's some references for you guys tom chew on. Read The Menace of the Reverse Flash which is before the negative speed force. Then read The Flash Rebirth and the volume of The Flash prior to Flashpoint right after it all which take place after a negative Speed Force exists. That way you can witness the true evolution of Professor Zoom from conception till when Geoff Johns retconned his backstory and abilities.

Pay close attention to everything involving Thawne in those stories. that's pretty much how I figure it out that Wells was likely the reverse flash since the pilot episode.

If you're too lazy to track down those comic books then I'll say this. As some have correctly pointed out he starts having speed force powers because of residual speed force energy on the Flash's costume.
He needs Barry to live for that reason.

Then after the creation of his own negative Speed Force when to paraphrase his own words figures that the "speed force is just time" his powers become somewhat synonymous with Zoom's in terms of time manipulation and stealing time from others. on top of that he could also alter the past relative to him with no consequences.

Yet again he still needs Barry to live because in order for that to be possible there must be a Flash. but he also realizes that he could still torment Barry throughout his life thanks to his time manipulation even though he can't kill him. Which is why he erases Barry's best friend from existence and kills off Nora Allen after she had previously spent so many years being one of the only parents of any superhero in the DC Universe that was still firmly alive both pre and post crisis.
 
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And why would Barry Allen become a psychopathic murderer? I don't think it fits with the lighter tone of this show. Unless he's a Barry from an alternate universe where people are the opposite of what they are in this. Anyway, we know Barry won't become a psycho in the future, so is pretty pointless.

Are we sure? A lot can change a person in ten years, much less 24 to 25 years if Wells is a future Barry Allen. Let's not forget that Wells has mentioned a few times about how he wants to regain what he's lost. The other characters on the show believe he's talking about the use of his legs and restoring STAR Labs reputation, but we know that's not true. We also heard him make mention of having lost his wife in a car accident two months after the murder of Barry's mom, but, if Wells is from the future as we seem to suspect, we also know this may not be the whole truth, as well.

Yet in both cases, there is a genuineness about wanting to get back what he lost at all costs and having lost the love of his life. And if Wells really is a future Barry, then I suspect he's really talking about both the murder of his mom and Iris at the hands of the real Reverse Flash. That would be enough to drive anybody over the edge, including someone as good as Barry.

What we know for sure, is that Harrison Wells is an amalgam of Thawne/Zolomon with several twists:





In the show:

- Harrison Wells fakes he's paralyzed
- Fixation with Barry
- Wants to make him a better hero
- Probably killed Barry's mother so he would know personal tragedy
- Uses a suit with amplified super speed

A little paraphrasing here: If it looks like the RF, behaves like the RF, and talks like the RF, then it probably is the RF. :hehe:

Of which, I agree. However, I believe there are a few subtle clues which point towards Wells being a possible future Barry:

*Both Barry and Wells have very similar builds, the same hair and eye color. I don't think this is any coincidence, and wouldn't be surprised if both Gustin and Cavanagh were chosen because they look very much alike. Also Cavanagh is in his 50s, which is roughly the same age Barry would be if, having being 35 in 2024, he then goes back to 2000 and then aged real time.
*Wells clearly has a respect for Joe West, which, as a future Barry, he obviously would since Joe is, for all intends and purposes, Barry's foster dad.
*Wells has shown signs of compassion, such as when he reacted towards Eiling's experiments on Grodd, and how he takes the loss of those apparently killed by the particle acceleration explosion personally, even though he also believes it was a necessary sacrifice to give Barry his powers.
*Also sincere is whenever he talks about wanting to get back what he lost, as I explained earlier in the post.
*Dr. McGee notes how Barry is exactly like Wells when Barry blackmails her into giving them the Tachyon device. Talk about being on the nose. *Speaking of which, Barry also cites that he also has extensive knowledge of theoretical physics, which just so happens to be Wells' area of expertise.
*It's confirmed by Cisko there were two speedsters, one with red lightning which is characteristic of the Reverse Flash, and the other with yellow lightning, which is characteristic of Barry. We know, thanks to the headline in the future newspaper from 2024 that Barry disappears during a "crisis" and apparently never returned. We can assume, then, he followed the Reverse Flash back in time to stop him from killing his mom. However, if that's the case, then the question is what happened to Barry afterwards?
*Also, notice how Wells has been in scenes with all the cast members except for Candice Patton who plays Iris West? And how he claimed that he wasn't up to being at the West's Christmas party along with Cisko and Caitlin under the notion that he had "bad memories" about last year's Christmas? If I didn't know any better, I'd say it looks as though Wells is deliberately trying to avoid Iris, no?

I'd also believe there's been quite a few indications that Eddie Thawne is on his way to becoming the real Reverse Flash:

*His name is virtually identical to that of Eobard Thawne, and being that Geoff Johns, a former writer of The Flash comics and one of the show's co-creators, you know this is too deliberate to be mere coincidence.
*The love triangle between Barry, Iris, and Eddie, in which Iris and Eddie's relationship, in just nine episodes of the first season, has already progressed to the point where they're living together, so you know if a relationship between two characters is that serious that early it's bound to fall apart and fall apart badly.
*Eddie believes the Flash is a menace and, after Flash beat him up during "Flash vs. Arrow" it's reaching the point of obsession. That's suggests Eddie, someone who genuinely starts off as a good guy, is now on the path of becoming just as much of a menace as he accuses the Flash of being.
*Barry has now told Iris his true feelings for her, which certainly changes the way Iris will forever look at Barry. This sets Iris on the path of having a character arc in which, over time, she'll be thinking "Oh my god! All this time the perfect guy for me was my best friend. How could I have been so blind?" Which also means she'll be regretting her decision to move in with Eddie, especially if Barry starts daring Linda Park as theorized, which will also drive a wedge between her and Eddie. And Eddie, as we've seen, is already a bit jealous and threatened by Barry and Iris' friendship.
*You also have the Reverse Flash not killing Eddie when he had the chance. If Wells is indeed future Barry and he was indeed in the Reverse Flash suit, then he can't kill Eddie before he becomes the Reverse Flash without creating a temporal paradox.
*Finally, you know that Eiling is going to come back into the picture, especially since he knows the Flash exists. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Eddie and Eiling team-up at some point in order to try and capture the Flash, which will only serve to hasten Eddie's path down the dark side even further.
 
Wells is the Reverse Flash and always has been. He's also from the future and is possibly a descendant of Eddie's.

Any other 'theories' are, at this point, just a lot of noise and overthinking this to make it more complicated than it is.
 
I thought the Blackout episode established that Wells only wants Barry to get more speed, not for him to be a better hero. It gave the impression that he thinks Barry's heroic thing is ridiculous. Btw, does Hunter Zolomon have any connection to Barry Allen? I thought he was the RF for Wally West, so if they are having Zolomon and Thawne in the series, you guys think they would have Wally West as well?
 
Wells is the Reverse Flash and always has been. He's also from the future and is possibly a descendant of Eddie's.

Any other 'theories' are, at this point, just a lot of noise and overthinking this to make it more complicated than it is.

Ha, i bet you're religious.
 
Are we sure? A lot can change a person in ten years, much less 24 to 25 years if Wells is a future Barry Allen. Let's not forget that Wells has mentioned a few times about how he wants to regain what he's lost. The other characters on the show believe he's talking about the use of his legs and restoring STAR Labs reputation, but we know that's not true. We also heard him make mention of having lost his wife in a car accident two months after the murder of Barry's mom, but, if Wells is from the future as we seem to suspect, we also know this may not be the whole truth, as well.

Yet in both cases, there is a genuineness about wanting to get back what he lost at all costs and having lost the love of his life. And if Wells really is a future Barry, then I suspect he's really talking about both the murder of his mom and Iris at the hands of the real Reverse Flash. That would be enough to drive anybody over the edge, including someone as good as Barry.



Of which, I agree. However, I believe there are a few subtle clues which point towards Wells being a possible future Barry:

*Both Barry and Wells have very similar builds, the same hair and eye color. I don't think this is any coincidence, and wouldn't be surprised if both Gustin and Cavanagh were chosen because they look very much alike. Also Cavanagh is in his 50s, which is roughly the same age Barry would be if, having being 35 in 2024, he then goes back to 2000 and then aged real time.
*Wells clearly has a respect for Joe West, which, as a future Barry, he obviously would since Joe is, for all intends and purposes, Barry's foster dad.
*Wells has shown signs of compassion, such as when he reacted towards Eiling's experiments on Grodd, and how he takes the loss of those apparently killed by the particle acceleration explosion personally, even though he also believes it was a necessary sacrifice to give Barry his powers.
*Also sincere is whenever he talks about wanting to get back what he lost, as I explained earlier in the post.
*Dr. McGee notes how Barry is exactly like Wells when Barry blackmails her into giving them the Tachyon device. Talk about being on the nose. *Speaking of which, Barry also cites that he also has extensive knowledge of theoretical physics, which just so happens to be Wells' area of expertise.
*It's confirmed by Cisko there were two speedsters, one with red lightning which is characteristic of the Reverse Flash, and the other with yellow lightning, which is characteristic of Barry. We know, thanks to the headline in the future newspaper from 2024 that Barry disappears during a "crisis" and apparently never returned. We can assume, then, he followed the Reverse Flash back in time to stop him from killing his mom. However, if that's the case, then the question is what happened to Barry afterwards?
*Also, notice how Wells has been in scenes with all the cast members except for Candice Patton who plays Iris West? And how he claimed that he wasn't up to being at the West's Christmas party along with Cisko and Caitlin under the notion that he had "bad memories" about last year's Christmas? If I didn't know any better, I'd say it looks as though Wells is deliberately trying to avoid Iris, no?

I'd also believe there's been quite a few indications that Eddie Thawne is on his way to becoming the real Reverse Flash:

*His name is virtually identical to that of Eobard Thawne, and being that Geoff Johns, a former writer of The Flash comics and one of the show's co-creators, you know this is too deliberate to be mere coincidence.
*The love triangle between Barry, Iris, and Eddie, in which Iris and Eddie's relationship, in just nine episodes of the first season, has already progressed to the point where they're living together, so you know if a relationship between two characters is that serious that early it's bound to fall apart and fall apart badly.
*Eddie believes the Flash is a menace and, after Flash beat him up during "Flash vs. Arrow" it's reaching the point of obsession. That's suggests Eddie, someone who genuinely starts off as a good guy, is now on the path of becoming just as much of a menace as he accuses the Flash of being.
*Barry has now told Iris his true feelings for her, which certainly changes the way Iris will forever look at Barry. This sets Iris on the path of having a character arc in which, over time, she'll be thinking "Oh my god! All this time the perfect guy for me was my best friend. How could I have been so blind?" Which also means she'll be regretting her decision to move in with Eddie, especially if Barry starts daring Linda Park as theorized, which will also drive a wedge between her and Eddie. And Eddie, as we've seen, is already a bit jealous and threatened by Barry and Iris' friendship.
*You also have the Reverse Flash not killing Eddie when he had the chance. If Wells is indeed future Barry and he was indeed in the Reverse Flash suit, then he can't kill Eddie before he becomes the Reverse Flash without creating a temporal paradox.
*Finally, you know that Eiling is going to come back into the picture, especially since he knows the Flash exists. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Eddie and Eiling team-up at some point in order to try and capture the Flash, which will only serve to hasten Eddie's path down the dark side even further.

Great post
 
While the theory is interesting and would be a crazy twist, there are still some things that make me question that Wells is Future Barry. For example, possessing the technology to actually watch changes in the Timestream. That seems something that would be less crazy, if the technology is from the 25th Century. And the only one with the knowledge to build such a machine would be Thawne.

Then there's the way he analytically talks about Barry. That the only way he can push his boundaries, is because he cares about people. You'd think he'd already know that about himself, if he were in fact Future Barry.
 
Wells is Eobard Thawne. He didn't kill Eddie because Eddie eventually has kids who has kids who have kids and so on. Killing Eddie would delete him from history.

Eddie might be Reverse Flash in the future but he will be the Hunter Zolomon version. In fact, I expect Eddie to eventually be Reverse-Flash but THE Thawne is Wells imo
 
^ I agree with everything in that statement except when it comes to Wells' identity. He does not have to be Eobard Thawne in order to be the Reverse Flash and a descendant of Eddie's. He can be Harrison Wells, the Reverse Flash, and a descendant of Eddie's.
 
It's funny that only killing eddie would ease him. The very fact he has time travelled is enough to do that

If you know how sperm works, even changing the day parents do it could mean you aren't born.
 
I think Wells is the future version of Cisco. He eventually becomes consumed with jealousy over Barry's super powers, as well as how he eventually gets every hot girl who walks in the door (we all know Barry will eventually get Iris, and before that, he'll probably bang Caitlyn and Felicity too). So Cisco will start doing experiments on himself so he can not only gain Barry's powers but also look like a 50-year-old version of him. He eventually pulls this off. He then changes his name to Eobard Thawne, travels back in time and kills Nora Allen because someone had to, and then travels to the present, changes his name to Harrison wells, and blows up STAR Labs so he can create all the metahumans. And he gets to hang out with the younger version of himself.
 
There must be some huge time paradox going on with the Speed Force.

If Reverse Flash/Wells is from the future, a future where he's already made enemies with the Flash in his own timeline, then why would he need to help create the Flash (let alone other prominent DC Characters) in this "new" timeline? Didn't they already exist in his time without his intervention? Or is this some John Conner/Kyle Reese Paradox going on here?

Plus, if the future changed, even for a moment, when Barry temporarily "lost" his powers, then shouldn't Wells have been phased by that as well given on how the future news articles changed?
 
Does Wells get his powers from his suit then? Hence it still being fast when he's not wearing it? Also why is he faster than Barry?
 
I thought the Blackout episode established that Wells only wants Barry to get more speed, not for him to be a better hero. It gave the impression that he thinks Barry's heroic thing is ridiculous. Btw, does Hunter Zolomon have any connection to Barry Allen? I thought he was the RF for Wally West, so if they are having Zolomon and Thawne in the series, you guys think they would have Wally West as well?

Yeah.Many people miss that.

Wells doesnt want Barry to become a better hero.He wants him to be a better speedster.Why is anyones guess but Im betting he wants to use it in some nefarious way.
 
Okay. I think Harrison Wells is not only the Reverse Flash - I think he and Eddie are one and the same.

My theory. Eddie is going to end up being displaced in time and in the future - he'll become the Reverse Flash. Then when he's older - he'll come back in time to kill Nora, and become trapped in the past. Unable to access the speed force and travel freely through time, he'll become the instigator in the accident that gives the Flash his powers and mentor Barry. All in the hopes of getting Barry to break the light barrier and access the speed force - giving Wells back the access to the speed force and time travel once again.

That would explain why RF doesn't kill Eddie. Why Wells sounds like RF and has his suit, ring and knowledge of the future. I think Eddie, Eobard and Wells are one and the same.

Or - Eddie is just Eobard's (Wells) ancestor, and Wells is still Eobard. I don't think he's trying to make Barry a better hero as Zolomon would - I think he's just trying to ensure his own power set or regain it.
 
I thought the Blackout episode established that Wells only wants Barry to get more speed, not for him to be a better hero. It gave the impression that he thinks Barry's heroic thing is ridiculous. Btw, does Hunter Zolomon have any connection to Barry Allen? I thought he was the RF for Wally West, so if they are having Zolomon and Thawne in the series, you guys think they would have Wally West as well?

Wells said something about Flash being his greatest creation. It isn't necessarily to be a better hero, but it is to be the best he could possibly be as some sort of token of Wells science proficiency. The motivations don't match Hunter Zolomon to a T but it seems cut from the same cloth. Between that and Zolomon being Wally and not Barry's RF, you can chalk that all up to adaptation steamlining we see in most superhero movies and shows. With Hamil returning as an older, imprisoned Trickster helping Barry with a new copycat Trickster, I assume Barry will be facing off against Wally-era Trickster (Axel Walker). Would not be surprised to continue seeing Wally-era Rogues
 
Yeah.Many people miss that.

Wells doesnt want Barry to become a better hero.He wants him to be a better speedster.Why is anyones guess but Im betting he wants to use it in some nefarious way.

He wants him to become faster to give him more power
 
One thing about Harrison Wells being RF and time traveler is that he spent to much time on the present day as Harrison Wells that the idea of him being RF is a bit ridiculous. I mean from that evil general, to the guy he killed in episode 2, to Christina McGee and even Oliver Queens father, he seems to have spent way too much time as a genius scientist of present day that its hard to accept that he is Eobard Thawne coming back to mess with Flash. It reminds me of this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGfyEff263A
 
He wants him to become faster to give him more power

Makes sense.


My guess is that Wells lacks a connection to the Speed Force despite being a Speedster.He uses tachyons to duplicate Speedforce abilities like Timetravel etc.

He came to the past in order to study how Barry gained a connection to the Speedforce and by doing so gain a connection as well
 
Wells is often giving Barry little speeches, though, about morality and being a hero (Flash v. Arrow). He even went to Joe to convince him to get behind Barry's heroics early on.

I just don't buy Wells as completely evil. There's something else going on here. And as mentioned, when Barry lost his powers, if Wells is RF, shouldn't he have disappeared from the time stream, at least temporarily?
 
I think Wells is the future version of Cisco. He eventually becomes consumed with jealousy over Barry's super powers, as well as how he eventually gets every hot girl who walks in the door (we all know Barry will eventually get Iris, and before that, he'll probably bang Caitlyn and Felicity too). So Cisco will start doing experiments on himself so he can not only gain Barry's powers but also look like a 50-year-old version of him. He eventually pulls this off. He then changes his name to Eobard Thawne, travels back in time and kills Nora Allen because someone had to, and then travels to the present, changes his name to Harrison wells, and blows up STAR Labs so he can create all the metahumans. And he gets to hang out with the younger version of himself.

:lmao::lmao::lmao: If they do that, I would laugh so hard every time I see RF on the screen
 
I dont buy wells secretly being a good guy.He killed innocent cops.
 
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