Transformers Transformers 2 Info + Why The Movie Designs Are Different From G1

[jdre_124]

Umm No. Dont put words or even worse say that I like those movies because I'm defending Transformers. No I dont want mindless action. If I want that I'll go see something like Jurassic Park 3. I never said 300 was like Transformers. I was stating that Transformers can be good but because of the director and the designs and a leaked script you are condemning it already. Even if the Designs of G1 were the same, the voice actors were the same [which is impossible] the fans would have something to whine about if its a line that Optimus said, or if Bumblebee wasnt doing things if Bumblee would normaly do. You want Transformers to tread the same ground we have seen for 20 years and you want it again with this movie. Whether you like it or not Transformers are evolving only July 4th 2007 and you'll have to deal with it just like Beast Wars.

 

[Cth]

haha! Yeah actually it makes perfect sense for lifelong TF fans to argue the direction of a Transformers movie. What makes absolutely no sense is why people who have no interest in the characters spend hours attacking fans and defending a movie they have no great interest in.

Highly suspect. If I'm not a fan of Thundercats why would I spend hours debating Thundercats fans?

So, what you're saying is you're too scared to take me up on my challenge, proving you're wrong and I'm right.

Go on.. if you're so convinced you're right, it should be a simple thing, right?

Interesting how you say we're not lifelong TF fans. Do you even know one thing about me?

 

[jdre_124]

Same here Cth. Blind you think because we defend the movie we want it to be mindless and dumb and were ok with that. WE ARE NOT. We dont think its gonna end up like that. As I have stated before I AM A TRANFORMERS FAN. I have been for awhile. Not since G1 but that doesnt mean I dont respect it. But I've gone back and seen episodes that make me cringe at the cheesiness and others that still make me laugh from the humor.

 

[blind_fury]

And yet, there was a ton of BSG "fans" who were talking boycotts and loathed the direction they were "elevating" things.

So, is this supposed to support your argument any?

I never said no fan would complain if Bay was elevating the source material. The pont is he isn't elevating the source material. He's straying away from the original wrecklessly. This aint BSG or Blade. Those took key concepts and added layers to them. Bay isn't adding any layers or sophistication any more than LXG did.

If you say it enough, it'll be true. And be sure to wait for the moment in the film where you're supposed to clap to bring Bumblebee back to life.

Yeah, how many times did you use the words epic and Bay in the same sentence??? Give it a few more tries and he might be the next Akira Kurosawa or Francis Ford Coppola.

Which again is what? You keep avoiding the issue and tossing out nebulous terms like "true appeal of the orginal fantasy and concepts"


What that means to YOU is totally different from another fan.

Most fans will agree the characters reasonated with them on a deeper level than the average fictional character.

And alot of people cannot name exactly why Star Wars reasonates with them so deeply but it aint just because of mindless action that's for sure. It's the filmmakers job to figure out the appeal and bring it to the big screen. Not just churn out another LXG or GINO to make a quick buck.

So again, point blank, if you can be bothered to answer the question.

Did G1 have cheesy moments?

Yes

Now a question for you, did the Batman comics have cheesy moments?

And by your reasoning, if Optimus is mostly dignified in the film and has one of two moments like G1 did, it's faithful.

Keep supporting your argument, it only bolsters my own

Not at all. My reasoning is to focus on the strengths of the character and story not the weaknesses. Frank Miller focused on the best Batman had to offer, Schumacher focused on the worst.

Would you like to bring up Optimus playing basketball for the 400th time?

Try sticking to what was actually said genius

Define what the word epic means. We'll wait.

You're the one using the term "epic" to descibe Bay's movie. YOU DEFINE IT!

and while your at it write a 10 page essay why Pearl Harbor sucked.

We'll wait.

So, does Bay do visual epics or doesn't he? You can't say it's ridiculous and then apply the term yourself. Do you even read what you post?

Notice I put the term visual epics in quotes. You do know what quotes are for don't you?

I suppose so, since I never bothered with it, I don't feel I have any business saying it succeeded or not.

So you actually saw it, eh? For someone who hates Bay, you seem to be an authority on him..

Everybody knows Pearl Harbor missed the mark and missed the point.

If you actually bothered to read what I post, you won't see me discussing the merits of the film as you put it. I generally post to give information or correct false information being spread by "haters"

So suggesting Bay's version is epic and the source material isn't doesn't qualify as defending the merits of the film. What false information have you addressed???

So, which is it? I thought those fans were to be praised for removing Jar Jar and curing cancer and everything else fans are responsible for in the world.

Oh right, have your cake and eat it too, gotcha.

yeah go back read my response again and then think and then post.

Both have their problems, admittedly Schumacher having more of them.

Nolan's a great director, but made some horrible choices for BB.

yeah Nolan made some bad choices. But Batman Begins doesn't openly resent the source material and minimizes the changes unlike Batman and Robin.

Wait, "most likely".. I thought you KNEW that fans were single handedly responsible. Not the soccer moms, not the jocks, etc...

Seriously, if you could pick one argument and stick to it, that'd be great.

I thought you knew fans had nothing to do with Jar Jar's reduced screen time. I can play this game all day.

There's the problem.

What is a TRUE TF fan?

You might as well be fighting the Crusades and saying you have God on your side and everyone else is wrong.

By belitting other TF fans as not "TRUE TF Fans" you're insulting a lot of people.

I never said there was a true fan. I just stated some fans have higher standards than other fans. Is that true or not?

Ladies and gentlemen, you'll note he avoided the issue again.

It's ok to be scared.

I'm not avoiding the issue. You keep saying they picked Transformers after GI Joe like you were there in the room when it happened. Hasbro had the rights to both GI Joe and Transformers. They probably weighed the pros and cons of both properties at the same time then made a decision.

The real issue is if Transformers biggest appeal was giant robots fighting why not do a Go Bots movie instead of Transformers? Lord knows the rights are cheaper.

 

[blind_fury]

So, what you're saying is you're too scared to take me up on my challenge, proving you're wrong and I'm right.

Go on.. if you're so convinced you're right, it should be a simple thing, right?

Interesting how you say we're not lifelong TF fans. Do you even know one thing about me?

Well anyone could claim they love Transformers doesn't mean their not a studio plant.

I can't imagine a lifelong LOTR fan telling another LOTR fan that the pointless changes to The Hobbit adaptation are acceptable because the characters from the source material were lame.

 

[blind_fury]

Umm No. Dont put words or even worse say that I like those movies because I'm defending Transformers. No I dont want mindless action. If I want that I'll go see something like Jurassic Park 3. I never said 300 was like Transformers. I was stating that Transformers can be good but because of the director and the designs and a leaked script you are condemning it already. Even if the Designs of G1 were the same, the voice actors were the same [which is impossible] the fans would have something to whine about if its a line that Optimus said, or if Bumblebee wasnt doing things if Bumblee would normaly do. You want Transformers to tread the same ground we have seen for 20 years and you want it again with this movie. Whether you like it or not Transformers are evolving only July 4th 2007 and you'll have to deal with it just like Beast Wars.

yeah well:

The purist would be alot more open minded if Bay wasn't just throwing away characters and concepts wrecklessly. If he was attempting to elevate the source material it would be obvious to fans who live and breathe Transformers. The problem is Bay isn't eleveating the source material. He's giving it the lazy LXG treatment which not only alienates life-long fans but also hides the true appeal of the fantasy and characters.

 

[Cth]

Well anyone could claim they love Transformers doesn't mean their not a studio plant.

I can't imagine a lifelong LOTR fan telling another LOTR fan that the pointless changes to The Hobbit adaptation are acceptable because the characters from the source material were lame.

You really love being obtuse don't you?

I can only chalk it up to you being scared of everyone seeing how wrong you are.

Just out of curiousity, how would you go about proving I'm a plant? Cause I'm more than willing to speak with admins and moderators to prove MY side of things. Sadly, you won't.

So, unless you'd like to chat with the moderators about trolling (insinuating board members are plants in a pitiful attempt at sabotaging their credibility) then I'd kindly invite you to either put up or shut up.

Prove you have even a shred of dignity and take me up on my challenge.

Or just keep chickening out, everyone's watching

PS - As soon as you address your credibility problems, then we'll continue with your other posts. Until then, why bother

 

[Boiiinng]

I was stating that Transformers can be good but because of the director and the designs and a leaked script you are condemning it already.

Yup. Last time I checked those were the basics of what is required to make a movie. Whether they are final or not, we have the right to criticize something before it's finished. Because when it's finished, that's it, unless you're George Lucas.

 

[jdre_124]

Yup. Last time I checked those were the basics of what is required to make a movie. Whether they are final or not, we have the right to criticize something before it's finished. Because when it's finished, that's it, unless you're George Lucas.

I'm saying that stuff is old. I'm 100% sure they have changed the script by now. Michael Bay isnt tethered to make action movies forever and can change if he wants. NO ONE HAS SEEN IT YET. The designs are being refined. Has anyone seen the new pictures?? The designs are getting better and better as ILM works out the rough edges. It's fine to criticize a movie after it comes out or on serious hard facts not leaks and rumors. People are shooting down the movie just on what they have heard and leaks they've seen. No im not saying the Robots are going to take a 360 and will be more traditional but God please wait before you tear the movie a new one.

 

[nosebleed.]

The purist would be alot more open minded if Bay wasn't just throwing away characters and concepts wrecklessly. If he was attempting to elevate the source material it would be obvious to fans who live and breathe Transformers. The problem is Bay isn't eleveating the source material. He's giving it the lazy LXG treatment which not only alienates life-long fans but also hides the true appeal of the fantasy and characters.

 

[Batx69]

OK Cth im game, so how do you plan on proving to me that you are not a plant anyway? Seems like it would be hard to do, well im game if you are.

 

[Cth]

OK Cth im game, so how do you plan on proving to me that you are not a plant anyway? Seems like it would be hard to do, well im game if you are.

You're the one making the claim, so the burden is on you.

I look forward to you posting an apology and leaving the boards, whenever you figure out how you want to prove I'm a plant.

 

[Anti-Moderator]

You're the one making the claim, so the burden is on you.
I look forward to you posting an apology and leaving the boards, whenever you figure out how you want to prove I'm a plant.

Hhhhmmmm....who is avoiding the subject now? Don't worry we'll wait. t:

 

[Cth]

Hhhhmmmm....who is avoiding the subject now? Don't worry we'll wait. t:

Oh, someone else wants to play? Are you too scared to take up the challenge too?

Ok, since you guys clearly didn't think this out..

I suppose I could get on the phone with hunter rider, who can PM me a message and read it out to him, and he can verify my IP address while he's on the phone with me. This will verify my area code and my ip address where I'm working.

Similarly, I could provide him with links to numerous sites where I've posted about my family, job, etc. Of course, knowing you guys, I'd have even more cyber-stalkers.

Naturally, after all of that, someone's bound to pull a JFK conspiracy theory and say I secretly created an account back in 2000, posted on all these boards, made up a huge false identity just for the sole purpose of talking up a movie 7 years later.

Or to put it in terms you can hopefully understand.. when you accuse someone of a crime, it's up to you to prove it, not to have the defense prove they didn't.

Thanks for playing

 

[Anti-Moderator]

Oh, someone else wants to play? Are you too scared to take up the challenge too?

Ok, since you guys clearly didn't think this out..

I suppose I could get on the phone with hunter rider, who can PM me a message and read it out to him, and he can verify my IP address while he's on the phone with me. This will verify my area code and my ip address where I'm working.

Similarly, I could provide him with links to numerous sites where I've posted about my family, job, etc. Of course, knowing you guys, I'd have even more cyber-stalkers.

Naturally, after all of that, someone's bound to pull a JFK conspiracy theory and say I secretly created an account back in 2000, posted on all these boards, made up a huge false identity just for the sole purpose of talking up a movie 7 years later.

Or to put it in terms you can hopefully understand.. when you accuse someone of a crime, it's up to you to prove it, not to have the defense prove they didn't.

Thanks for playing

You could have saved yourself alot of typing by just saying "I can't prove I'm not a plant."



I'll let you off the hook puddin and say that you are not a plant......





I am.....and I have a message to all the fans who feel that they have been wronged by our movie version of your childhood toys/cartoon.....we don't care. We don't care how you feel about our movie because we are going to make our money with or without you. Heck, most of the complainers will go see the movie anyways because they won't be able to stand not seeing a live-action TF movie...no matter how faithful/unfaithful it may be. You will see the movie or purchase merchandise and we will cash our checks. Even the posts you make either positive or negative on this board is promotion for us and the movie we worked so hard to create....so keep up the good work kids....and we'll see you July 4th! :heart: t:

 

[nosebleed.]

ugh...you guys are crazy. plant, not a plant, feed me seymour. Get it outta here and start talking about Transformers again. This thread needs closure.

 

[Anti-Moderator]

ugh...you guys are crazy. plant, not a plant, feed me seymour. Get it outta here and start talking about Transformers again. This thread needs closure.

I agree!!!

 

[AyeCapn]

I have a message to all the fans who feel that they have been wronged by our movie version of your childhood toys/cartoon.....we don't care. We don't care how you feel about our movie because we are going to make our money with or without you. Heck, most of the complainers will go see the movie anyways because they won't be able to stand not seeing a live-action TF movie...no matter how faithful/unfaithful it may be. You will see the movie or purchase merchandise and we will cash our checks. Even the posts you make either positive or negative on this board is promotion for us and the movie we worked so hard to create....so keep up the good work kids....and we'll see you July 4th! :heart: t:

Post of the day!

 

[Hunter Rider]

For christ sake.......this section is the worst on the hype,so now the positive ppl are plants ? well i best go and collect my new Mercedes from Paramount

Oh and while im there Blind Fury and Cflash can go and collect whatever they are owed from Fox b/c surely they must be plants from Fox trying to trash the movie to help out Die Hard 4 and FF2 right ?..again

This stops now,anymore plant talk and some ppl can take a break

 

[AyeCapn]

For christ sake.......this section is the worst on the hype,so now the positive ppl are plants ? well i best go and collect my new Mercedes from Paramount

Oh and while im there Blind Fury and Cflash can go and collect whatever they are owed from Fox b/c surely they must be plants from Fox trying to trash the movie to help out Die Hard 4 and FF2 right ?..again

This stops now,anymore plant talk and some ppl can take a break

I say let the most vociferous fight it out to the death

 

[CFlash]

For christ sake.......this section is the worst on the hype,so now the positive ppl are plants ? well i best go and collect my new Mercedes from Paramount

Oh and while im there Blind Fury and Cflash can go and collect whatever they are owed from Fox b/c surely they must be plants from Fox trying to trash the movie to help out Die Hard 4 and FF2 right ?..again

This stops now,anymore plant talk and some ppl can take a break

Hey! I didn't call anyone a plant. I just said Cth writes like Don Murphy. I think it's perfectly fine to be positive. But, some of the things these guys say (like dissin Transformers as-a-whole or selectively pointing its low points) is ridiculous.

I love Batman. But, I don't go on the Batman boards pointing all that franchises' low points to justify Schumacher's Batman & Robin movie.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I never said you did,i was pointing out the ludicrousness of calling someone a plant no matter how extreme their views are.Ive been here long enough to know a true plant from a poster with a very certain opinion.

 

[DOG LIPS]

I'm a plant.



Water me!!

 

[AyeCapn]

I'm a plant.

Water me!!

pwnt

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm a plant.



Water me!!

You want a golden shower ya filthy mutt