Sequels Transformers 6 and future sequels thread

[Ipodman]

I didn't see an answer to my question. Do Optimus and Bumblebee merge somehow?

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No.

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They become best bros

 

[TheVileOne]

Read the plot summary for this. Wasn't Cyberton merging with Earth the plot of the third one? They just rehashed it?

Yes.

 

[Arachnerd]

Cybertron wasn't 'merging' with Earth in Dark Of The Moon, no.

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Not in that literal sense. Sentinel planned to shift Cybertron towards Earth's atmosphere and enslave the human workers to rebuild Cybertron without destroying Earth. Quintessa wanting to get Merlin's staff to drain Unicron's life source and ultimately destroy the planet to revive Cybertron with it is not 100% the same thing.

 

[I Am The Knight]

^ Yes it is.

Who?

 

[Arachnerd]

Who?

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Stanley Tucci, which is weird since he played Joyce in Age Of Extinction.

 

[terry78]

Basically every villain's goal is to bring Cybertron back. While that in itself isn't a bad thing they pretty much don't give a **** about the humans they're killing to do it.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Agreed. Lockdown was awesome, the escape from Lockdowns ship was a good set piece, the dinobot scene had impact and the story itself flowed far more naturally then here. I liked that you actually got to see the autobots pissed off that their fallen comrades were being treated so poorly. They were not just setting up the humans to say pointless lines and actually had motivation within a team.

I think if AOE did actually cut 30 min out of that flick and it would be alot more solid. But compared to this film which was actually shorter it felt far longer and pointless. This film felt like it needed an hour cut and much more bot development. It was just dull. Non of the robots were really pushing the plot, even Optimus.

Agree with you both. AOE is much better than TLK. We actually got some good bot action in AOE. And AOE also set up so many interesting things for the next movie which unfortunately TLK totally dropped the ball on.

Yup, agreed. TLK could have been so much more with some decent editing and a little more effort. Why was Optimus left floating in space?? The worst part has to be how the movie cuts into the title logo and abruptly ends with the worst credit sequence ever. They seriously dropped the ball.

I also liked that part in TLK when Cade called out the TRF (and humans in general) for turning on the Autobots time and time again.

Also, Optimus says "I...am Optimus Prime" like 4 times in the movie.

 

[rayc1971]

The Transformers were barely in it, and 90% of the human scenes were cringe worthy. With 30 minute scenes of people literally talking nonsense. That makes it the worst for me.

i agree too much human element this sucked its the worst one for me

 

[I Am The Knight]

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Stanley Tucci, which is weird since he played Joyce in Age Of Extinction.

What? Oh, Bay.

 

[Loki882]

This movie is FAR worse than AOE imo. AOE was actually a step up from ROTF and DOTM for me. Plus it had some stuff that I enjoyed. The villains most notable, both the humans (Kelsey Grammer, Stanley Tucci, and Titus Welliver) and Lockdown, were solid. Cade was a step up from Sam as a protagonist, the action was fine, it set up some potentially interesting mythology stuff moving forward, and we actually got to see more of the Transformers themselves.

This, had virtually none of that. And it was even more stupid and nonsensical than every film except for maybe ROTF.

But I'll give it one thing, at least Bay wasn't sexualizing a female character who's meant to be a teenager, or stopping the movie dead in it's tracks for several minutes to explain why it's ok for her to pork her adult BF in the most awkward/creepy way possible. So there's that.

 

[Loki882]

Yes.

Also Cybertron imploded in on itself at the end of DOTM (or it sure looked that way to me). So there shouldn't be a Cybertron left now.

And this movie recycles multiple things from the previous films, but doesn't do them as well (which is saying something).

 

[Rowsdower!]

I strangely didn't hate AOE, and enjoyed it a lot more than ROTF and DOTM. Normally I can't stand Wahlberg but he didn't bother me much and I liked Welliver. And Lockdown was a better villain than Sentinel Prime or the Fallen, IMO. It was still ridiculous garbage but it didn't bore me the way the previous two films did and I felt like they actually focused on the autobots a bit more than usual.

 

[Arachnerd]

In essence, the Transformers movies follow the same plotline in general.

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Bringing in a new director to handle Unicron's awakening and how it affects Earth would be sorta refreshing, imo. For this movie series, at least. That and, we didn't get any backstory on Prime, Megatron or Cybertron like we were promised by Lorenzo Di Bonaventura almost a year ago, so I hope to god they put it in the 6th one, since it's also more fitting with Unicron's presence and how he's pretty much tied to Cybertron's past.

Giving Megatron a role that's not a lackey to a main villain would be nice too. Though I did like Quintessa (mostly due to Gemma Chan's performance) and am relieved she survived the movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

This movie was terrible. Way too much going on, 5 or 6 subplots with huge gaps between when we see characters. I still don't understand what the hell cogburn was supposed to be. Was he a transformer? Was he just an ancient robot built by the Whitwiccans?

There were a few good ideas but nothing was fleshed out very well. The ending battle looked cool, but too many disjointed, confusing moments leading up to it.

2/10

 

[Tony Stark]

This movie is FAR worse than AOE imo. AOE was actually a step up from ROTF and DOTM for me. Plus it had some stuff that I enjoyed. The villains most notable, both the humans (Kelsey Grammer, Stanley Tucci, and Titus Welliver) and Lockdown, were solid. Cade was a step up from Sam as a protagonist, the action was fine, it set up some potentially interesting mythology stuff moving forward, and we actually got to see more of the Transformers themselves.

This, had virtually none of that. And it was even more stupid and nonsensical than every film except for maybe ROTF.

But I'll give it one thing, at least Bay wasn't sexualizing a female character who's meant to be a teenager, or stopping the movie dead in it's tracks for several minutes to explain why it's ok for her to pork her adult BF in the most awkward/creepy way possible. So there's that.

I actually thought this movie made ROTF make sense. But agree with your points in general in this.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Also Cybertron imploded in on itself at the end of DOTM (or it sure looked that way to me). So there shouldn't be a Cybertron left now.

And this movie recycles multiple things from the previous films, but doesn't do them as well (which is saying something).

See, this is one point I will always argue. I never thought the whole of Cyberteon was destroyed at the end of DOTM. The space bridge was destroyed while only part of Cybertron was transported through it. So only part transported through was destroyed, the rest was still intact.

Agree with your other observations on TLK though, it truly was poor.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

So I heard people predicting $60 million opening domestic and it ended up at only $45 million.
As for the quality, I've learned to not expect any from the movies; but I just can't follow the stories any longer. It seems they are always the same and yet at the same time I'm always confused.

 

[TheVileOne]

Also Cybertron imploded in on itself at the end of DOTM (or it sure looked that way to me). So there shouldn't be a Cybertron left now.

And this movie recycles multiple things from the previous films, but doesn't do them as well (which is saying something).

It recycles women being treated as disposable sexual and objectified objects.

Adult characters acting like they are on meth, ie Ken Jeong, John Malkovich, John Tuturro.

Robots having genitalia or acting like racial stereotypes. Bay made sure to give devastator testicles for some reason. Bumblebee urinates on someone. Megan Fox gets leg humped by a robot.

 

[Arachnerd]

I mean, you're not wrong about a few of the other films, but where were Vivian and Izzy being treated as sexual and objectified here?

With the exception of that one sex joke with Wahlberg and the former, those two characters were an improvement over the majority of past female characters in Bayformers, at least with how Bay treated them.

I don't seem to recall a robot genitalia joke in this either. Heck, I don't recall any being made after Revenge Of The Fallen, so unless I'm missing something...

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean, you're not wrong about a few of the other films, but where were Vivian and Izzy being treated as sexual and objectified here?

With the exception of that one sex joke with Wahlberg and the former, those two characters were an improvement over the majority of past female characters in Bayformers, at least with how Bay treated them.

I don't seem to recall a robot genitalia joke in this either. Heck, I don't recall any being made after Revenge Of The Fallen, so unless I'm missing something...

Cade makes sure to tell Vivian she's dressed like a stripper when he meets her for the first time.

 

[Arachnerd]

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that one.

Still don't see how it's as bad as the previous movies. At least Vivian wasn't a damsel-in-distress (*cough* Tessa *cough*) and actually did something of importance to the plot, despite being shoehorned into a romance with Walhberg. When we're talking about Michael Bay, that's surprisingly kind of an improvement for him.

Not to mention having a main Transformers female villain (after how he treated Arcee, Chromia and their sister on Revenge Of The Fallen no less) in this and

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actually not killing her off for a return in the 6th movie.

 

[terry78]

Give Gemma Chan more work.

 

[Arachnerd]

Here, here. Her performance as Quintessa was terrific, imo. Cold, creepy and manipulative.

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Now hopefully they actually explain who she really is in the next one. She says she's the 'Prime of Life', yet the Knights call her a deceiver, so who knows what she's told Optimus is true or not, other than Unicron being on Earth.

 

[terry78]

I doubt she's a Prime at all, but something else. Quintessa probably isn't even her real name.

 

[Tony Stark]

It recycles women being treated as disposable sexual and objectified objects.

Adult characters acting like they are on meth, ie Ken Jeong, John Malkovich, John Tuturro.

Robots having genitalia or acting like racial stereotypes. Bay made sure to give devastator testicles for some reason. Bumblebee urinates on someone. Megan Fox gets leg humped by a robot.

IOW, it's a typical Michael Bay film.