Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[LostSon88]

And yet, people continue to go out and see ROTF despite your constant ragging of the film...

Lol...since when was there a standard of what constitutes entertainment?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Critics seem to hate it, while the general public liked it. I loved it.

The "general public" likes whatever it is told to like ala marketing blitzkriegs, etc....... television is the equivalent of pounding meat so that it'll soak in the marinade better. Regardless this movie is carried by big CGI robots and Megan Fox (which is all the gen-pub want). Says nothing of the quality or lackthereof when it comes to this film.

 

[CelticPredator]

Wait so....someone told me to like the movie? Who told you to hate the movie?

 

[LostSon88]

Yes. Because clearly we're all too dumb to actually go out and enjoy a film. We're all just drones that do what the big corporations tell us, right?

 

[Marvin]

The "general public" likes whatever it is told to like ala marketing blitzkriegs, etc....... television is the equivalent of pounding meat so that it'll soak in the marinade better. Regardless this movie is carried by big CGI robots and Megan Fox (which is all the gen-pub want). Says nothing of the quality or lackthereof when it comes to this film.

the "marketing" must have been alot better for this movie then any other this year, and many others in previous years then..

 

[Dark Knight]

The "general public" likes whatever it is told to like ala marketing blitzkriegs, etc....... television is the equivalent of pounding meat so that it'll soak in the marinade better. Regardless this movie is carried by big CGI robots and Megan Fox (which is all the gen-pub want). Says nothing of the quality or lackthereof when it comes to this film.

Exactly.

Hollywood and the Media love to try and force feed the general public....

 

[dodgers2213]

i have lost faith in humanity....if this is the future of entertainment then we're all doomed

 

[terry78]

TJ Hooker, Asteroids and View-Master the Movie is, you mean.

 

[Dark Knight]

Yes. Because clearly we're all too dumb to actually go out and enjoy a film. We're all just drones that do what the big corporations tell us, right?

Hence why there is so much CRAP on TV that get high enough ratings to stay alive with all of these "reality" shows on the airwaves that are just utterly stupid.

 

[Rock Sexton]

the "marketing" must have been alot better for this movie then any other this year, and many others in previous years then..

They did a great job marketing this film, particularly in the last month leading up to the release. The cross-promotions were off the charts. And it's continued. VH-1 and Burger King are still running a ton.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Exactly.

Hollywood and the Media love to try and force feed the general public....

It's the same as the music industry..........the label decides what it perceives as the next big hit....then when the gen-pub swarms they recycle the recipe over and over again. For Christ sakes they have boy band and girl band factories now. They lean on their radio and media connections to determine the fate of their music act.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Hence why there is so much CRAP on TV that get high enough ratings to stay alive with all of these "reality" shows on the airwaves that are just utterly stupid.

Seriously, you should see the marketing tie-ins with VH-1 when their reality shows are airing.

 

[Dark Knight]

In regards to what Bay would bring to a Superman film.

Yes, he would bring the action....but everything else around the action would be whack.

You know what lame Bay would do if he directed the next Superman film?

The lame Bay would cast Fox as Lois Lane and he would make her dress and act like a total skank (which Fox dresses like most of the time anyways I'm sure) of a reporter. Matter of fact, Fox wouldn't really be acting since she can't act anyways!

Tight short skirt, with cleavage hanging all over the place in 5 inch high heels!

Then he would probably miscast someone like Chris Rock to play Jimmy Olsen and just have him be the unecessary comedy relief with some crazy off the wall jokes that would be done at the wrong times. He would probably make Lex Luthor dress and act like a pimp and Superman would wear some shiny black suit throughout the whole movie. He would make sure to get the military involved of course as well.

Oh man...the lame Bay is so predictable isn't he?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yes. Because clearly we're all too dumb to actually go out and enjoy a film. We're all just drones that do what the big corporations tell us, right?

It's not really that.

The general public's sensibilities have slowly been eroded thru cable television, the 24 hour news cycle, the media, and the internet.

The thinking man's audience is on it's death bed. Nowadays, it's got to be easy, sexy, and explosive to gain massive gen-pub notoriety.

 

[Rock Sexton]

In regards to what Bay would bring to a Superman film.

Yes, he would bring the action....but everything else around the action would be whack.

You know what lame Bay would do if he directed the next Superman film?

The lame Bay would cast Fox as Lois Lane and he would make her dress and act like a total skank (which Fox dresses like most of the time anyways I'm sure) of a reporter. Matter of fact, Fox wouldn't really be acting since she can't act anyways!

Tight short skirt, with cleavage hanging all over the place in 5 inch high heels!

Then he would probably miscast someone like Chris Rock to play Jimmy Olsen and just have him be the unecessary comedy relief with some crazy off the wall jokes that would be done at the wrong times. He would probably make Lex Luthor dress and act like a pimp and Superman would wear some shiny black suit throughout the whole movie. He would make sure to get the military involved of course as well.

Oh man...the lame Bay is so predictable isn't he?

It's not about substance for Bay.........for him it's all hormonally driven. He tries to appeal to life's so-called "guilty pleasures" and he does it in excess. I just don't share any appreciation for it because it's overkill.

 

[Episode29]

It's not really that.

The general public's sensibilities have slowly been eroded thru cable television, the 24 hour news cycle, the media, and the internet.

The thinking man's audience is on it's death bed. Nowadays, it's got to be easy, sexy, and explosive now to gain massive gen-pub notoriety.

Have your read Roger Ebert's latest blog post? It explores this exact argument in relation to RotF.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Have your read Roger Ebert's latest blog post? It explores this exact argument in relation to RotF.

When was it posted? I'll take a look .........

 

[Episode29]

When was it posted? I'll take a look .........

I posted a link in the critics thread.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I posted a link in the critics thread.

Wow. The writers were paid $8 million for ROTF? Really?

Excellent blog though.

I'll draw on a reference to that Mike Judge film I've talked about on here before. Won't say the name because a few people on here seem to think I'm directly calling them idiots. While exaggerated, the movie hits on some points that are really being driven home these days. There's a particular scene where Luke Wilson is trying to figure out why the president and his cabinet are using a sports drink to water their plantations and every response is "because it has electrolytes" .........

Do they know what electrolytes are? Nope. But when the word is repeated enough times it certainly becomes effective. It's the same with sex, violence, and everything else "extreme" we can now access 24/7. A buddy of mine actually commented on this the other night. All of us were in the hotel room watching "The Vine" as we were waiting to go out. I had to turn away from looking at all the over the top gore. My buddy just laughed and asked how I'm not already de-sensitized.

Just look at the economic crisis. A decade or so ago people would've shat in their pants upon hearing the words "trillions" .........not now. The MSM has done it's job in uttering the word so many times that it found back-doored acceptability.

 

[Marvin]

You know what lame Bay would do if he directed the next Superman film?

depends on the screenplay

Tight short skirt, with cleavage hanging all over the place in 5 inch high heels!

how much of that did you see in pearl harbor?

Oh man...the lame Bay is so predictable isn't he?

not as predictable as his detractors

even i'm not the biggest fan of bay doing superman(tho i'd prefer it to singer)
but come on, I don't really care for bay as much as I seem to but you people really motivate me.

 

[Marvin]

Have your read Roger Ebert's latest blog post? It explores this exact argument in relation to RotF.

more talks about how he's too smart for his own good actually, but that's just what I took away from it.

 

[Jager X]

more talks about how he's too smart for his own good actually, but that's just what I took away from it.

How could you have possibly come to that conclusion when what he said is the opposite?

 

[The Lizard]

not to say very much? your just not listening.

No, you're just repeating the same trite mantras over and over to try to defend ROTF -- while setting up an entire field of straw-men I might add.

OK, more to the point, transformers has different things it tries to focus on besides the typical Emmerich lingering wide shots of disaster stricken city scapes. destruction of city scapes was the draw in that particular production. Transformers had other selling points. Why you compare the selling point one film to another film that uses it as an after thought is beyond me...unless of course to propagate you misguided opinion about said films short comings

(watch out here comes my sarcasm)
hey, guess what? the hand to hand combat in transformers kinda sucked compared to that in Enter the Dragon!

And there's one of those wacky straw-man arguments - right on schedule.

I seem to recall a LOT of aerial dogfighting in ID4, don't you? So trying to claim that the city destruction was all that ID4 had to offer in the action/FX department is misleading at best. Shall I proceed to compare the cinematography of the aerial battles of ID4 to those in ROTF? I won't....but I very well could, and would be totally justified in doing so.

besides, last I checked landing transformer pods didn't necessarily cause explosions the likes of what transpired in ID4.

That has nothing to do with the way the scenes were composed, filmed and edited. Bay inserted a "shocking disaster scene" into TF:ROTF that is very much in the vein of ID4, Armageddon, Deep Impact, etc. It didn't fit, and it wasn't done well.

obviously

Yep, obviously. Did you miss the part in the first TF where the kid says "This was easily 10 times cooler than Armageddon" (as if any kid would actually reference that movie these days)? You might claim Bay just did it for laughs, but he does this self-referential bit a lot in his movies. He saw an opportunity to do his patented "Armageddon" routine, and he went for it, simple as that.

as said before, TF2 never tries to be a "serious" film. ID4 actually does, and it does so magnificently
...
Transformers was always intended to be light hearted, I'm sorry if you wanted a sappy end of the world drama.

Hey, no need for you to be sorry -- I blame Bay for crafting a destruction scene that does indeed go for a "serious" feel, despite your claims otherwise. I mean, someone actually mentions 9/11 afterwards for god's sake, how can you claim that was part of ROTF's "light-hearted" atmosphere?

pearl harbor for all it's faults, is a movie about the loss of many peoples(soldiers) lives and thus it fully lingers on not only the devastation of the events but the aftermath. Transformers didn't need to do that again...not when the focus was on sams adventure.

You mean like those scenes in ROTF that show the drowned soldiers sinking with the aircraft carrier that directly mirror scenes from Pearl Harbor? Right. Gotcha. The shots might not be as long as in Pearl Harbor, but the serious subject matter portrayed was the same.

...Until ROTF then returned to farting robot humor, that is.

sure, I'll start with comparing the action in bays films to that of sesame street in an attempt to show how great it really is...

You knock yourself out, there.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

The "general public" likes whatever it is told to like ala marketing blitzkriegs, etc....... television is the equivalent of pounding meat so that it'll soak in the marinade better. Regardless this movie is carried by big CGI robots and Megan Fox (which is all the gen-pub want). Says nothing of the quality or lackthereof when it comes to this film.

People are not mindless drones:facepalm
''We must see this film because that poster tells us to''

Transformers made so much money because it appealed to kids(who bring in the most amount at the BO 90% of the time.), teens and adults.

2008 The Dark Knight came number last year because it appealed to all age groups.

2007 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End came number 1, why? Because it appealed to everyone.

Why do you think action and horror are now pg-13 most of the time? Because it earns more money at the BO.

i have lost faith in humanity....if this is the future of entertainment then we're all doomed

You do realized there are 100's of movie released a year
Just because you dislike one, doesn't mean entertainment is coming to
an end. Bruno, Funny People, District 9, Inglourious Basterds are just some films that are coming out soon that have high expectations.

 

[Marvin]

How could you have possibly come to that conclusion when what he said is the opposite?

the repeated use of the brainiac motif