No, you're just repeating the same trite mantras over and over to try to defend ROTF -- while setting up an entire field of straw-men I might add.
if you see me writing the same thing over and over it's probably in response to something.
And there's one of those wacky straw-man arguments - right on schedule.
how fitting you bring this term up in a direct response to my calling you out on such things
can't say I'm surprised.
I seem to recall a LOT of aerial dogfighting in ID4, don't you? So trying to claim that the city destruction was all that ID4 had to offer in the action/FX department is misleading at best. Shall I proceed to compare the cinematography of the aerial battles of ID4 to those in ROTF? I won't....but I very well could, and would be totally justified in doing so.
where did I claim that?
Somewhere in my faint memory I remember the words "selling point" being used. Most of the advertising fo ID4 was centered around iconical imagery of say the white house with a laser in it, or a popular tunnel with a fire in it(see; emmerich strategy for putting ppl in seats 101(see the final shot in his newest trailer)).
yes there were dog fights but you can't tell me that dog fights are why film goers flocked to theaters for that film, but hey that's my opinion.
As much landmark destruction was sold in the Trailers for TF, I have an inkling that people went to see Optimus fighting bad guys and Shia run around with Megan Fox, but if you honestly think ROTF would be better if bay focused on the public death as much/well as he did his other films then that's great, every little bit helps I suppose, maybe the film would have felt as long as it did...
That has nothing to do with the way the scenes were composed, filmed and edited. Bay inserted a "shocking disaster scene" into TF:ROTF that is very much in the vein of ID4, Armageddon, Deep Impact, etc. It didn't fit, and it wasn't done well.
speaking on the scenes themselves.
Considering your the first person, not just on these boards but really anywhere I've checked to feel he "composed" those scenes/shots poorly, I'll chalk that you to your reasonable opinion.
I think they were shot very well.
even if they weren't the focus and or selling point of the film.
Yep, obviously. Did you miss the part in the first TF where the kid says "This was easily 10 times cooler than Armageddon" (as if any kid would actually reference that movie these days)? You might claim Bay just did it for laughs, but he does this self-referential bit a lot in his movies. He saw an opportunity to do his patented "Armageddon" routine, and he went for it, simple as that.
first of all you said
Bay obviously tried to insert a violent, shocking devastation scene into ROTF as an homage to his own earlier disaster films (funny how Bay only includes "homages" to himself, but that's another issue).
my memory must be slipping cause I didn't notice the subtitle rotf in the first transformers film
secondly you say he only pays homages to his own film? "homages" go well well beyond having a kid reference another film in on a comedic beat. It could be said the entire pearl harbor film was a homage to a earlier style of film, the same could be said about parts of the Island. So no, I disagree, I don't think it's funny how bay only includes "homages" to himself...cause he doesn't
as far as the bad boys two poster, cause I know that's coming? that was a homage to clock work orange.
Hey, no need for you to be sorry -- I blame Bay for crafting a destruction scene that does indeed go for a "serious" feel, despite your claims otherwise. I mean, someone actually mentions 9/11 afterwards for god's sake, how can you claim that was part of ROTF's "light-hearted" atmosphere?
actually i should be sorry, maybe he should have went for a truly comedic feel for that scene, that would have driven you boys up the wall.
yes someone mentions 9/11, the movie isn't completely off the wall. It's still a light hearted film.
and how can I claim that you ask? (staw man, power up)
disney films are considered light hearted, even you (i think would agree) Lion King a light hearted musical for the whole family yes?
well somewhere in the first and third act it deals with death, and it makes no joke about it (yet it doesn't deal with it in the way it would be dealt with in a good drama), the dancing and music stop.
The film is still light hearted as a whole.
Schindler's list, monster, passion of the christ, these are not light hearted films.
point being, TF is a light hearted film unlike pearl habor, bay treats the casualties and collateral damage of robots fighting each other differently than he does in previous films and with good reason. However, he does not treat them as they would in spoofs.
(or even star trek)
You mean like those scenes in ROTF that show the drowned soldiers sinking with the aircraft carrier that directly mirror scenes from Pearl Harbor? Right. Gotcha. The shots might not be as long as in Pearl Harbor, but the serious subject matter portrayed was the same.
did any of these soldiers have faces, was there real drama there, as you were getting at before, bay doesn't handle these scenes with as much care as he has in the past...when he was making a drama about dying soldiers and the tragedy of war with the
selling point being the attack on pearl harbor.
this film handles it like it would in a comic book or even in the cartoon show(funny how that works)
...Until ROTF then returned to farting robot humor, that is.
my memory again, i don't recall any robots or humans farting in this movie.
You knock yourself out, there.
it's only when I defend something unpopular that people resort to the belittling and name calling
go figure, transformers was an immature film after all.
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