Transformers Transformers the new Godzilla

[terry78]

Well, some stuff does have to be updated when making movies about iconic franchises, as the camp and kitsch factor would not play nowadays, except to be laughed at.

 

[kaisersoze]

Well, some stuff does have to be updated when making movies about iconic franchises, as the camp and kitsch factor would not play nowadays, except to be laughed at.

I don't agree with that.

What was updated in the Transformers:The Movie(animation)?

Nothing? Correct.

Badass and respectful? Yes.

No offense but your "reasoning" is pretty much the problem Hollywood has with these properties.

See GINO for more.

 

[terry78]

Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men and King Kong were all campy as **** before their respective live action movies, and they had to be altered to an extent.

 

[nosebleed.]

I don't agree with that.

What was updated in the Transformers:The Movie(animation)?

Nothing? Correct.

Badass and respectful? Yes.

No offense but your "reasoning" is pretty much the problem Hollywood has with these properties.

See GINO for more.

SR sort of disproves your reasoning. They used the basic outline from the 1978 movie, imitated Reeve in Routh and went "retro" with Superman's costume and look at its box office, its nickel and diming its way to 200 mil. Sin City is the only franchise to have successfully remained almost totally faithful to the source material but that franchise is not nearly as big as Transformers. Plus the fact that it was marketed to an older audience with its R rating (which without it would have been a joke of a Sin City movie).

If Transformers: The Movie were translated to live action and put out to today's audience I seriously doubt it would thrive with today's cynical general public.

 

[WalkingDead]

I don't agree with that.

What was updated in the Transformers:The Movie(animation)?

Nothing? Correct.

Badass and respectful? Yes.

No offense but your "reasoning" is pretty much the problem Hollywood has with these properties.

See GINO for more.

Sorry but...the original TFTM was at the height of TF popularity. Of course it didn't have to update anything, the storyline, toyline, and characters were still going. Back then there was no thoughts of changing stuff around, because everything was still in working mode. What could it have updated? Nothing really.

 

[nosebleed.]

Sorry but...the original TFTM was at the height of TF popularity. Of course it didn't have to update anything, the storyline, toyline, and characters were still going. Back then there was no thoughts of changing stuff around, because everything was still in working mode. What could it have updated? Nothing really.

Plus the fact that it came out only 2 years after More Than Meets the Eye while this movie is coming out 2 decades later.

And if he wants to take it that far, Tranformers: The Movie actually DID change stuff around as a lot of new characters were introduced and a lot of old ones died. Talk about shaking things up and scarring some kids whose favorite Transformers died without any explanation (poor Wheeljack...he was my fave).

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Transformers is going to end up like the Hollywood version of Godzilla.

Yes it will be about giant robots that change into cars and what not, but other than that it will not resemble Transformers at all.
Just the name.

Just like how the Hollywood Godzilla was about a giant dinosaur in a city, but had nothing to do with Godzilla but the name.

Why do they even license the material if they not going to use it?

If they are going to make something totally different why not just change the name and not have to deal with licensing fees?


What do you think? am I right?

You might be right since they're going to stop making Godzilla movies for 10 years

 

[Galactical]

Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men and King Kong were all campy as **** before their respective live action movies, and they had to be altered to an extent.

Batman, spidey, and x-men's comic roots were campy as ****? Spidey maybe. And generally because they're superhero comicbooks made for kids, there may be some campy elements in batman and x-men, though i don't think they were eliminated when transferred to live action. they still battle wacky villains, wear funny looking costumes, Magneto's helmet etc...

I'd say spider-man 1 and 2 are more skewed towards campy comedy. Look at that goblin costume. that's alright because the books were funny, weren't they? Of course I thought spidey could be funnier himself in the movies like he is in the books, but it's still there.

X-men, I'm not sure if much was changed besides the costumes, some characters looks, and focus more towards wolverine's story. I wouldn't necessarily call the original comic, campy but I won't say for sure. I haven't read it in ages.

Batman's roots were serious, I believe. so the first film ignored the adam west stuff that it had become to be more serious, and darker, like the original books. Whatever changes were made, I don't think they were done out of necessity to give it a less campy tone. Just change for the sake of change.

I think King Kong's a remake that's as campy as the first, and even more ridiculous because of the brontosaur chase scenes, indestructable woman, and King Kong love story with Anne.... That's what i saw anyway.

So I don't think that much will be altered, or should be altered except the usual things done when adapting something to live action, which requires the robots and such to work in the real world. so of course they'll need to figure out how to transfer them over well enough.

Ah ha, I just remembered. Remember Dick Tracy or Sin city? Those movies didn't bother with changing everything too much. I didn't like the kid in Dick tracy though. But transformers is supposed to have its Spike so it's ok.

 

[antariksh]

In my opionion Transformers will be a really really DUMB movie with amazing sfx and action!!!

I mean common the reason they even hired Michael bay to do Transformers is because Transformers cartoon show does NOT has a good story, no character feeling, emotion nothing. IT is just about robots blowing each other apart and michale bay can do such movies very easily.

So ya the movie will be rotten but will be awesome action, sfx movie just like Godzilla (1998)

 

[Spark]

I'd say spider-man 1 and 2 are more skewed towards campy comedy. Look at that goblin costume. that's alright because the books were funny, weren't they? Of course I thought spidey could be funnier himself in the movies like he is in the books, but it's still there.

Well there's humour in the source material but without Willem Defoe I'm not sure.....they could've dressed him in a pink and yellow nightgown and he'd still be menacing.

Personally I think Raimi got the mix just right, and even if Spidey 1's main villain looks campy by Spidey 3 I'm sure Willem's performance will still shine through. He's still my favourite so far anyway.

 

[xwolverine2]

In my opionion Transformers will be a really really DUMB movie with amazing sfx and action!!!

I mean common the reason they even hired Michael bay to do Transformers is because Transformers cartoon show does NOT has a good story, no character feeling, emotion nothing. IT is just about robots blowing each other apart and michale bay can do such movies very easily.

So ya the movie will be rotten but will be awesome action, sfx movie just like Godzilla (1998)

lol true....... except for the godzilla part.and the fact that it was only a cartoon.

 

[WalkingDead]

In my opionion Transformers will be a really really DUMB movie with amazing sfx and action!!!

I mean common the reason they even hired Michael bay to do Transformers is because Transformers cartoon show does NOT has a good story, no character feeling, emotion nothing. IT is just about robots blowing each other apart and michale bay can do such movies very easily.

So ya the movie will be rotten but will be awesome action, sfx movie just like Godzilla (1998)

The original Transformers comics have some great and underrated stories, if not having the same problems most Marvel comics in the mid 80's had. But overall the stories and character were greatly fill out with good drama and had a lot more to it than just robots bashing each other's heads in. Such as Megatron slowly slipping into insanity after Prime was thought to have been destroyed. Shockwave always working his own agenda, back and forth. And many other great story plots.

The newer comics are also well put-together and nicely done with great characterization.

 

[antariksh]

The original Transformers comics have some great and underrated stories, if not having the same problems most Marvel comics in the mid 80's had. But overall the stories and character were greatly fill out with good drama and had a lot more to it than just robots bashing each other's heads in. Such as Megatron slowly slipping into insanity after Prime was thought to have been destroyed. Shockwave always working his own agenda, back and forth. And many other great story plots.

The newer comics are also well put-together and nicely done with great characterization.

They are not going to put such stuff in the movies. It will be REALLY DUMB movie but still damn entertaining.

 

[WalkingDead]

They are not going to put such stuff in the movies. It will be REALLY DUMB movie but still damn entertaining.

I don't disagree with you on the dumb, entertaining action flick possibility at all. I just wanted to say that there have been some well-written and great memorable stories and plots made with Transformers over the years, that's all.

 

[The Kid]

Nobody's going to transformers to see some great thought provoking thematic or dramatic story, but hey if there's some of that in there, it'd be alright.

 

[terry78]

I think this would be the only exception as far as having a lot of scenes where there is just dialogue and discussion. Just seeing Transformers sitting and talking, planning, etc. would still be eye candy to most people, so constant action wouldn't really be a must.

 

[el brujo138]

Nobody's going to transformers to see some great thought provoking thematic or dramatic story, but hey if there's some of that in there, it'd be alright.

No but we will be going to Transformers the Movie to see transformers, not Bay messing up the design on Prime and screwing around with the story to focus on humans and a boy getting his first car.

We don`t need a deep story but we need the transformers being the focus of the movie.

 

[Shinobi Rendar]

No but we will be going to Transformers the Movie to see transformers, not Bay messing up the design on Prime and screwing around with the story to focus on humans and a boy getting his first car.

We don`t need a deep story but we need the transformers being the focus of the movie.

I think they'll be the focus of the movie, but from a human point of view. I don't see much character development for the transformers , but there's always the sequel :S

 

[thegameq]

Wow, the new Godzilla? Ouch!

Bay directing this film has got to be the biggest giveaway. No one equates Michael Bay with a great film. He's just a demolitions guy. Just another action director, nothing special.

If it was anounced that Lucas or Spielberg were directing this film, then everyone would be extremely optimistic, yet still give some kind of slack if there were changes. If it were Jackson directing everyone would've cried tears of joy.......but Michael Bay?

 

[terry78]

^When your movie is based on a toy line, you're not going to really look for extreme A-list directors. Only extreme geeks know about the mythos behind the toys.

 

[GhostPoet]

If the rumors are true that Cullen may very well get to voice Prime. MY fears are eased.

 

[thegameq]

^When your movie is based on a toy line, you're not going to really look for extreme A-list directors. Only extreme geeks know about the mythos behind the toys.

No, not really. It depends on what one's goals are.

A) Make a great movie (that everyone will enjoy; LOTR, Potter films, etc.) based on an iconic franchise/property. You value this movie, the property and the potential greatly. Moreso, you respect it and the fans. choose your director carefully. The vision must be clear, concise and damn near spot on.

B) Make a typical summer flick with some to very little reverence or reference to the source material so as to not saddle your director and his team with preconceived notions, aswell as to increase the films draw amongst non fans. Above all make a fun summer movie. While you don't have to appeal to the lowest denominator, you don't have to appeal to the highest either, i.e., cash in on the built in audience the film will garner. Leave room for a possible sequel. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. In this case choose your director apropriately. The task type is common and there are more than a handful you can turn to. You want someone that can do as their asked and is reliable.

Considering the direction most studios seem to be going with these types of films these days; bringing in lesser known directors that are fans (somewhat) of the material, I think the studio pretty much made it's intentions clear when they decided to let Bay helm this film. Granted, he's supposedly a fan. But I've heard that bandied about quite a few times regarding other directors and their films. The results usually speak for themselves.

 

[ges681]

as long as transformers doenst have p diddy on the soundtrack

 

[Shinobi Rendar]

lol.... i think it'll be a score.

 

[LordSimen]

I love how people act like Transformers is some "shakespearian art house piecE" when they mention that Bay will turn it into a mindless action fest.

Does anyone besides me remember that the cartoons were always mindless action fests with the intent to sell toys?