U.S. Senate to vote on stem cell research bill today

[Cho Chang]

If executing what might someday possibly become a baby is murder then my girlfriend's face is a mass grave. On top of that, she must've swallowed an entire generation by now.

 

[tomahawk53]

Okay, if I look at this logically, leaving out the question of morality from the person assessing the situation, here's what I come up with:

1) There are five different types of stem cells on which to conduct research.

2) One of those types, adult stem cells, has yielded significant results in terms of cures for disease. The other four, including embryonic, haven't yielded much, despite there being ample supplies of all.

3) Despite our research, we don't even know if adult and embryonic stem cells can both be called pluripotent, but we suspect they are both the same, especially given the positive results from adult. In fact, if anything, the adult stem cells have properties more favorable to curing disease than the embryonic stem cells.

4) The only way to get embryonic stem cells is by 'destroying life', which becomes a morale quandary for probably half the population of the world (a conservative figure given how many people are religious).

So the question is:

Should we continue on with the very positive research we've done so far on adult stem cells or should we put all of our focus instead on the embryonic stem cells that, so far, haven't yielded any results?

People in this thread are talking about how there's a shortage of embryonic stem cells and that's why proper research can't be done. But where are your sources for that? Bush didn't completely ban federal funding on embryonic stem cells. He banned funding on NEW embryonic stem cells. Are you saying that the stem cells we have in supply aren't ample enough for adequate research? Where is your proof of that?

Whatever the case, I've given my opinion on this mess. Take it for what you will.

Very well thought out and logical post Lazur!

 

[sinewave]

If executing what might someday possibly become a baby is murder then my girlfriend's face is a mass grave. On top of that, she must've swallowed an entire generation by now.

you really should lock that down.

 

[Hooligan32]

you really should lock that down.

I've thought about it but we both agree that marriage is a sin against God.

 

[sinewave]

I've thought about it but we both agree that marriage is a sin against God.

sounds like you've got it all figured out then. nice work.

 

[Spider-X]

I think it's deplorable that one man's own personal issues will be used to kill the possibliity of something with so much promise to help so many people that the vast majority are in favor of. Public servants should represent the public, IMHO, not their own interests.

jag

that is my biggest beef with Bush right there!

he uses this "since I was voted in, everything i decides is what the people want", and that's such selfish smug bullsh#t

i can't wait for Bush to get the hell out of office...i want someone who is gonna represent the people more than his own personal moral(religious in Bush's case} dilemmas / special interests...

 

[Addendum]

Have research on adult stem cells AND embryonic stem cells. Then focus on the one that yields the best results. Have all options available.

 

[Armand Z Trip]

Have research on adult stem cells AND embryonic stem cells. Then focus on the one that yields the best results. Have all options available.

I totally agree. My "morality" demands that we as a species try everything we can to fight lethal and debilitating diseases. Damn, there I go trolling the thread again.

 

[Gonking]

The bill has overwhelming public and bi-partisan support and will most likely pass today. The unfortunate part is that Bush has openly expressed that he will use his first veto as president to block this. How do you guys feel about it?

well, he is a ***ing conservative republican.

 

[Gonking]

but the worst thing is that Bush will introduce an amendment to forbid the marriage between people of the same sex.

 

[HUMAN]

As long as it's cord blood, them I'm all for it.

But it really doesn't matter. All we're seeing is a WWF match where one opponent is doing something that his fans want but is ultimately running a scripted venue with the corporation controlling him in the background.

All hail the 'New World Order!' (George HW Bush, September 11, 1990)

 

[Hooligan32]

Dear President Bush,

I understand that you are a very busy man and that you probably recieve enormous amounts of fan mail. It would be impossible, I imagine, to answer every letter and there are many that you must surely cast aside for lack of time. Regardless of this fact I've decided to write you and, though it may prove to be an exercise in futility, I hope that you'll be able to help.

Being a good Christian is not an easy task, as you well know. Temptation is everywhere and it seems as though new threats to our moral way of life present themselves constantly. Whether they be in the form of muslims, arabs, middle-easterners, islamists, muslims, arabs, or tan skinned people from sand-land, they are all over, plotting our extermination with weapons of mass destruction every second of every minute of every hour of every day of the year. In this time of great conflict, with the battle of good versus evil raging, it becomes easy to accidentaly overlook some of God's lesser rules.

Following the church's doctrine closely I've always understood that condoms are not to be used as they are opposed by God. Now, my girlfriend Christine Barrett, who shall remain nameless, was also of this understanding when we first met at Sunday school. The problem was that we certainly didn't want to have children out of wedlock, so what were we to do? I immediately came up with a solution and moral compromise to our conundrum: "I can't get her face pregnant" I thought to myself, and so it went.

All was well until yesterday when you stated that embryos were innocent human lives. If it is true of embryos then it must also be true of semen. It donned on me soon after this revelation that this would mean their extermination to be an act of murder. Oh, Mr. President, I'm terrified that I may be going to hell and I'm almost positive that my girlfriend is. I mean, if extinguishing the life of seed is murder then her hair is a mass grave. Seriously, you have no idea what we've done. I'm freaking out. I love her so much, but she must've swallowed entire nations. Over lonely nights I, myself am sure to have flushed and drowned generations after suffocating them with kleenex. We've commited genocide President Bush. Genocide. I can hear their screams in my sleep. Well, not so much screams, but like the squishy sounding equivalent of what screams would be to sperm. It's horrible. Do you know what that feels like? To know that a wealth of innocent human lives have been terminated because of your actions? Ofcourse you don't. Look who I'm asking.

Please President Bush, I beg of you. As Earth's ambassador to Heaven could you forgive mine and Christine's sins? Could you ask God to pardon us. We make the promise in return of no more heinous 69's after Sunday masses, no more murderous pearl necklaces, not one criminal fithly Sanchez more (not sure if this applies, but better safe than sorry) for the rest of eternity. Please save our souls President Bush.

The Butcher Bad-Dad,
Kevin Burke

 

[Superman]

Dear President Bush,

I understand that you are a very busy man and that you probably recieve enormous amounts of fan mail. It would be impossible, I imagine, to answer every letter and there are many that you must surely cast aside for lack of time. Regardless of this fact I've decided to write you and, though it may prove to be an exercise in futility, I hope that you'll be able to help.

Being a good Christian is not an easy task, as you well know. Temptation is everywhere and it seems as though new threats to our moral way of life present themselves constantly. Whether they be in the form of muslims, arabs, middle-easterners, islamists, muslims, arabs, or tan skinned people from sand-land, they are all over, plotting our extermination with weapons of mass destruction every second of every minute of every hour of every day of the year. In this time of great conflict, with the battle of good versus evil raging, it becomes easy to accidentaly overlook some of God's lesser rules.

Following the church's doctrine closely I've always understood that condoms are not to be used as they are opposed by God. Now, my girlfriend Christine Barrett, who shall remain nameless, was also of this understanding when we first met at Sunday school. The problem was that we certainly didn't want to have children out of wedlock, so what were we to do? I immediately came up with a solution and moral compromise to our conundrum: "I can't get her face pregnant" I thought to myself, and so it went.

All was well until yesterday when you stated that embryos were innocent human lives. If it is true of embryos then it must also be true of semen. It donned on me soon after this revelation that this would mean their extermination to be an act of murder. Oh, Mr. President, I'm terrified that I may be going to hell and I'm almost positive that my girlfriend is. I mean, if extinguishing the life of seed is murder then her hair is a mass grave. Seriously, you have no idea what we've done. I'm freaking out. I love her so much, but she must've swallowed entire nations. Over lonely nights I, myself am sure to have flushed and drowned generations after suffocating them with kleenex. We've commited genocide President Bush. Genocide. I can hear their screams in my sleep. Well, not so much screams, but like the squishy sounding equivalent of what screams would be to sperm. It's horrible. Do you know what that feels like? To know that a wealth of innocent human lives have been terminated because of your actions? Ofcourse you don't. Look who I'm asking.

Please President Bush, I beg of you. As Earth's ambassador to Heaven could you forgive mine and Christine's sins? Could you ask God to pardon us. We make the promise in return of no more heinous 69's after Sunday masses, no more murderous pearl necklaces, not one criminal fithly Sanchez more (not sure if this applies, but better safe than sorry) for the rest of eternity. Please save our souls President Bush.

The Butcher Bad-Dad,
Kevin Burke

Now, my girlfriend Christine Barrett, who shall remain nameless,

 

[SoulManX]

Dear President Bush,

I understand that you are a very busy man and that you probably recieve enormous amounts of fan mail. It would be impossible, I imagine, to answer every letter and there are many that you must surely cast aside for lack of time. Regardless of this fact I've decided to write you and, though it may prove to be an exercise in futility, I hope that you'll be able to help.

Being a good Christian is not an easy task, as you well know. Temptation is everywhere and it seems as though new threats to our moral way of life present themselves constantly. Whether they be in the form of muslims, arabs, middle-easterners, islamists, muslims, arabs, or tan skinned people from sand-land, they are all over, plotting our extermination with weapons of mass destruction every second of every minute of every hour of every day of the year. In this time of great conflict, with the battle of good versus evil raging, it becomes easy to accidentaly overlook some of God's lesser rules.

Following the church's doctrine closely I've always understood that condoms are not to be used as they are opposed by God. Now, my girlfriend Christine Barrett, who shall remain nameless, was also of this understanding when we first met at Sunday school. The problem was that we certainly didn't want to have children out of wedlock, so what were we to do? I immediately came up with a solution and moral compromise to our conundrum: "I can't get her face pregnant" I thought to myself, and so it went.

All was well until yesterday when you stated that embryos were innocent human lives. If it is true of embryos then it must also be true of semen. It donned on me soon after this revelation that this would mean their extermination to be an act of murder. Oh, Mr. President, I'm terrified that I may be going to hell and I'm almost positive that my girlfriend is. I mean, if extinguishing the life of seed is murder then her hair is a mass grave. Seriously, you have no idea what we've done. I'm freaking out. I love her so much, but she must've swallowed entire nations. Over lonely nights I, myself am sure to have flushed and drowned generations after suffocating them with kleenex. We've commited genocide President Bush. Genocide. I can hear their screams in my sleep. Well, not so much screams, but like the squishy sounding equivalent of what screams would be to sperm. It's horrible. Do you know what that feels like? To know that a wealth of innocent human lives have been terminated because of your actions? Ofcourse you don't. Look who I'm asking.

Please President Bush, I beg of you. As Earth's ambassador to Heaven could you forgive mine and Christine's sins? Could you ask God to pardon us. We make the promise in return of no more heinous 69's after Sunday masses, no more murderous pearl necklaces, not one criminal fithly Sanchez more (not sure if this applies, but better safe than sorry) for the rest of eternity. Please save our souls President Bush.

The Butcher Bad-Dad,
Kevin Burke

That was some funny **** man lol

 

[RogueLDN]

its this subject that makes me wonder why the feck you put up with the moron. I read an interview with Michael J Fox today about what it means for him, hes pretty devastated by it.

I swear you guys need to get rid of Bush.

Who is likely to suceed him?

 

[Matt]

its this subject that makes me wonder why the feck you put up with the moron. I read an interview with Michael J Fox today about what it means for him, hes pretty devastated by it.

I swear you guys need to get rid of Bush.

Who is likely to suceed him?

Bush hurt Michael J. Fox? THAT IS ****ING IT! I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS ASS HOLE! YOU CAN TAKE AWAY OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, YOU CAN MURDER INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN YOUR WAR, BUT WHEN YOU DICK OVER MARTY ****ING MCFLY YOU CROSS THE LINE BUSH! I AM WRITING EVERY SENATOR AND EVERY CONGRESSMAN IN THE ****ING NATION AND DEMANDING IMPEACHMENT, IMPRISONMENT, AND HIM BECOMING THE ***** OF A 400 POUND BIKER NAMED BUBBA!

 

[end3r7]

For those saying just use adult stem cells, there are a few problem with that.

1) Adult stem cells accumulate much more epigenetic mutations overtime, especially in the mitochondria.
2) Adult stem cells can't be made into growing into any type of tissue or organ, only the one it was originally.

And we don't have a shortage of embryonic stem cells (at least, we wouldn't without these regulations), we really have a shortage of human eggs...

 

[Mentok]

I am waiting to see what Charlie Sheen has to say about all of this

 

[RogueLDN]

Why? Am i missing something?

 

[Mentok]

Not really, but you should still wait for Mr. Sheen on this one.

 

[Mister Sinister]

It's a general rule of thumb, you have to wait until Charle Sheen has his say in ANYTHING before it's approved.

 

[Mentok]

^^ Pretty much

 

[Gonking]

Bush hurt Michael J. Fox? THAT IS ****ING IT! I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS ASS HOLE! YOU CAN TAKE AWAY OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, YOU CAN MURDER INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN YOUR WAR, BUT WHEN YOU DICK OVER MARTY ****ING MCFLY YOU CROSS THE LINE BUSH! I AM WRITING EVERY SENATOR AND EVERY CONGRESSMAN IN THE ****ING NATION AND DEMANDING IMPEACHMENT, IMPRISONMENT, AND HIM BECOMING THE ***** OF A 400 POUND BIKER NAMED BUBBA!

hahahahahahaha

 

[jaguarr]

It's a general rule of thumb, you have to wait until Charle Sheen has his say in ANYTHING before it's approved.

Actually, I prefer the word of Martin Sheen over Charlie's. In fact, I prefer the word of his brother, Emilio Estevez or Charlie's. Call me old-fashioned, but that's how it is for me.

jag

 

[sinewave]

Actually, I prefer the word of Martin Sheen over Charlie's. In fact, I prefer the word of his brother, Emilio Estevez or Charlie's. Call me old-fashioned, but that's how it is for me.

jag

Yes, the Repo Man shall show us the way.