Superman Returns Ugh! Watched STM then SR....

[Showtime]

I didn't see it that way at all, the movie used bright lighting and bright colors when the tone of the movie called for it, and darker colors and lighting when the tone was such. This is standard operating procedure for any movie.

Superman saving the plane was big, bright, bold and beautiful. Signifying the uplifting feeling of Superman's Return.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm not scared of different opinions... in fact, I welcome them, but it's a tragedy to see the Superman fandom almost at war with each other just because of a comic book character's interpretation...

On the contrary I find it extremely rich. And since we don't shoot bullets to each others I can't call it a war, since that word seems clearly an hyperbole for a discussion.

Superman is about lifting us up - a person to emulate, ideals to follow. He is the shining light to the darkness that is in the world.

But SR brought him down to our level - he became just one of us who could fly.

The brighness that should be Superman was gone visually from this film. The muddy look, dark tones and all the night shots where you could not clearly see Superman.

He has always been a person who's able to fly. That's why as a teenager he couldn't understand why he should hide his powers until Jonathan Kent explained it. That's why he feel in love even when he knew that's part of a normal life he can't have.

Jesuschrist's life had a tragic ending and that doesn't prevent people to find it inspiring and the light in the world's path.

You're reducing inspiring to bright colors and happy tones. Too one-dimensional. I find inspiring that Superman has to face problems and loneliness and still goes on. Bravery is not about not feeling the fear, but feeling it and getting over it.

The only goos criticism I see in your post is about dark scenes where you can't see what's happening.

That set a visual cue that did not compute with audiences. They know who Superman is supposed to be but this film radically tries to alter that - and failed at the BO on the way.

200 millions is not failure. And you can't actually attach the BO results to the reasons you're putting forward.

If Singer is allowed to do a sequel and if visually that film is dark, inward-looking and melancholy, it will be a bigger bust that SR was.

Maybe in the BO. But another good film, which is the only thing that concerns me.

 

[Super Kal]

I don't think there is a "war", if I dont agree with LexLives or somebody else I don't hate him. It's just debate. At least that is how I feel.

it "feels" like a "war" sometimes...

 

[lexlives]

On the contrary I find it extremely rich. And since we don't shoot bullets to each others I can't call it a war, since that word seems clearly an hyperbole for a discussion.



He has always been a person who's able to fly. That's why as a teenager he couldn't understand why he should hide his powers until Jonathan Kent explained it. That's why he feel in love even when he knew that's part of a normal life he can't have.

Jesuschrist's life had a tragic ending and that doesn't prevent people to find it inspiring and the light in the world's path.

You're reducing inspiring to bright colors and happy tones. Too one-dimensional. I find inspiring that Superman has to face problems and loneliness and still goes on. Bravery is not about not feeling the fear, but feeling it and getting over it.

The only goos criticism I see in your post is about dark scenes where you can't see what's happening.



200 millions is not failure. And you can't actually attach the BO results to the reasons you're putting forward.



Maybe in the BO. But another good film, which is the only thing that concerns me.

You are not converned the BO could be just about the same next time? That will kill the franchise and, to boot, I doubt you will get your good film with the much smaller budget.

 

[El Payaso]

You are not converned the BO could be just about the same next time? That will kill the franchise and, to boot, I doubt you will get your good film with the much smaller budget.

Oh, son, you're so convinced money = quality.

SR's budget was too excessive to begin with.

But no, I'm not concerned about moneymaking because I rather have 1 great movie than 4 pieces of crap.

 

[Maze]

Oh, son, you're so convinced money = quality.

SR's budget was too excessive to begin with.

But no, I'm not concerned about moneymaking because I rather have 1 great movie than 4 pieces of crap.

Not only that but....


From Variety

Sequels are generally costlier than the original pics, since they need more action and more special effects to tempt auds. In theory, a "Superman" follow-up could be cheaper, since expensive sets are already built, and some CGI experimentation is out of the way (e.g., how does his cape look when he flies?).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Exactly, ALL of the R & D needed to make future Superman movies was done on SR, since that doesnt need to be done for the sequel, it is bound to be cheaper.

 

[X-Maniac]

I would think the action of the sequel and a sci-fi villain (Brainiac?) would be expensive though...

I wonder where Singer spent all that money the first time round? I know that in X2, he wasted huge amounts on the museum exhibits at the start of the movie (fossils on loan from all over the world etc), then we hardly saw any of it! Which is a shame, because the parts we see in the DVD extras look really good - a whole exhibit on mutation for instance, with photos of mutants....

 

[Showtime]

I would think the action of the sequel and a sci-fi villain (Brainiac?) would be expensive though...

I wonder where Singer spent all that money the first time round? I know that in X2, he wasted huge amounts on the museum exhibits at the start of the movie (fossils on loan from all over the world etc), then we hardly saw any of it! Which is a shame, because the parts we see in the DVD extras look really good - a whole exhibit on mutation for instance, with photos of mutants....

I think hes going to include the Return To Krypton sequence in Returns at some point, to illustrate the villian attaching itself to Superman's ship, or maybe for another reason. That will help with the budget.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would think the action of the sequel and a sci-fi villain (Brainiac?) would be expensive though...

I dont see how, they would only have to make the villains costume, all the rigs for flying, etc, are already made so i dont see it being that expensive.

I wonder where Singer spent all that money the first time round? I know that in X2, he wasted huge amounts on the museum exhibits at the start of the movie (fossils on loan from all over the world etc), then we hardly saw any of it! Which is a shame, because the parts we see in the DVD extras look really good - a whole exhibit on mutation for instance, with photos of mutants....

He barely had any money on X2 to begin with, give him a break. Anyway X2 looked A LOT more expensive than it actually was.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think hes going to include the Return To Krypton sequence in Returns at some point, to illustrate the villian attaching itself to Superman's ship, or maybe for another reason. That will help with the budget.

Yeah i heard the RTK sequence will be used in the sequel some months ago, hopefully its true as that may be the only chance I personally may get to see it.

 

[dark_b]

I dont see how, they would only have to make the villains costume, all the rigs for flying, etc, are already made so i dont see it being that expensive.



He barely had any money on X2 to begin with, give him a break. Anyway X2 looked A LOT more expensive than it actually was.

everyone needs a new costume. even branodn will get a new suit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

everyone needs a new costume. even branodn will get a new suit.

I think they will just modify the SR suite

 

[dark_b]

I think they will just modify the SR suite

bu they will make a new suit. they will spend money to make a new suit. not a new designe. a new suit.

 

[Super Kal]

well, whatever they do, I hope they make it more colorfully appealing than the SR suit.

 

[Showtime]

My opinion is that they will tweak the Singer Suit design in the sequel...

1) Colors: Brighter Red
2) Cape: Tweak Attachment
3) Collar: Tweak Collar

I would assume this is where the focus will be...

 

[dark_b]

My opinion is that they will tweak the Singer Suit design in the sequel...

1) Colors: Brighter Red
2) Cape: Tweak Attachment
3) Collar: Tweak Collar

I would assume this is where the focus will be...

the first suit on L&C show. it would be a mix between donnber and singer.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

My opinion is that they will tweak the Singer Suit design in the sequel...

1) Colors: Brighter Red
2) Cape: Tweak Attachment
3) Collar: Tweak Collar

I would assume this is where the focus will be...

Yeah thats what i'm thinking, just some tweaks.

 

[Showtime]

Yeah thats what i'm thinking, just some tweaks.

I am sure some will be barely noticable to even people on these boards, but there should be a few notable changes, subtle, but noticeable to say the least.

 

[bosef982]

I actually hope they don't use the Genesis camera, I think that's what's caused alot of this color debate and the horrible DVD transfer we got.

 

[Showtime]

You think it had an affect on the color transfer? I can see the film transfer, but I am not sure I understand why the technology would disrupt the color.

 

[buggs0268]

The Genesis camera did nothing to the colors. It came out of the camera looking different from how it looks in the film. Siegel changed the colors in the color timing based on what he and Singer tested and agreed to in pre-production for the look of the film. Domino didn't come out of the camera looking like that. That was done during color timing in the DI. This happens on most films, even films shot on film in the old days. You just have a lot more lattitude to change colors and th color pallet in the DI with digital timing. All the azure blue skies, and the brownish colors are from the color timing after it came out of the camera. Before the color timing everything looked different. So it was not the Genesis. Also, The Genesis had noting to do with the DVD transfer. That was the colorist and the actual engineers during the transfer and encoding to DVD. I did see some grain in the dark areas, which is odd because the Genesis is really good in the shadow areas of the image. I think it was just a bad transfer.

 

[Super Kal]

how do we know the camera is not what gave the movie that drab look... those cameras haven't been used on a lot, and we don't even know if they're worth the time and effort...

 

[mego joe]

I didn't feel down at all at the end of the movie, and neither did Superman.

What is uplifting about seeing Superman realize he's just missed the first 4 years of his child's life, another man is raising his child as his own, his child thinks the other man is his real father, and that Superman cannot be a full-time everyday dad to his own son.

That to me is the opposite of uplifting. It's depressing, sad and the ultimate in irony. It's the worst nightmare for any parent.

As a responsible parent, I don't see how anyone could think this is uplifting. Please respond to the 'uplifting' elements of this ending.

If Superman didn't feel 'down' he obviously has yet to realize the full ramifications of what he has done. It is another example of SUperman being selfish if all he understands from this situation is that now there is someone else 'like him.' It does not take into account the greater veiw of the situation and the POV's of Jason and Richard, nor the aspects I outlined for Superman. This view of no longer being the only Kryptonian is one dimensonal and fails to address the broader ramifications of the situation.

 

[buggs0268]

how do we know the camera is not what gave the movie that drab look... those cameras haven't been used on a lot, and we don't even know if they're worth the time and effort...

They shot Adam Sandlers "Click" and a few other movies with it, as well as a few other movies.

`Superman Returns,' `Click,' `Flyboys,' and `Apocalypto' have all been shot with the Panavision Genesis. Scary Movie 4 was the first released movie that was shot with the Genesis.

Those films didn't hve the drab look as their DP's color timed them differently. It is not the camera. It is the color timing chosen by the DP and Singer. They white balance the cameras and also most DP's will shoot a macbeth Color checker card ( http://www.akdart.com/macbeth.html ) before each set up to ensure color correctness in the camera.

The only thing I am not fond of is the under 2K resolution/limitation. I much prefer the Dalsa Origin with it's 4k, raw capturing system.