To be honest, no its not clear but even so, Jor-El could have been wrong about the destruction of Krypton, so the astronomers supposedly finding Krypton will have thrown doubt into his mind about that.
I think this is a good example of Singer deciding not to explain or set up the situation well enough to make a movie that clearer in it's presentation of certain facts that end up characterizing Superman in a bad light. Remember, my point was that there were things from SII that just aren't in continuity and things from STM. If you're going to make a pseudo-sequel you have to tell the audience enough to know what's going on since you're picking up the story in the middle.
I picked up Superman's hesitancy about returning on 1st viewing MJ, it was obvious to me. I noticed it straight away , it was completely obvious to me.
For me that type of scene in a Superman story is more about him needing a moments hesistation to make an excuse to leave and that was what the pause was for. Additionally, in the context of the film, he was pretty engrossed in his own self pity and it seemed to me like it took a minute for it to sink in. That's what I got. If he was supposed to be hesitating, I don't think it came off that way clearly to everyone. There are other things that could be construed. I didn't get hesitation because he didn't want to appear as Superman. If he wast really ready to jump back into being Superman, why did he have his costume on under his clothes? If he had to get back to his appartment and change that would have made a stronger statement about him being hesitant to be Superman.
I thought most things were clear in the movie, when was the last time you watched it, August? Maybe you just need to watch it again, by not enjoying it at the cinema, you have a missed a few things, it happens, i myself dont fully concentrate on something i'm not enjoying.
I've only seen it once on the day it came out, June 27 or whatever. I may have missed a few things, but I don't think that if I do catch them and have the same reading of them as you it will change my opinion of the film.
Children are perceptive, and he was a smart kid, its said earlier in the movie he gets a A in Science. Do you not also think that Richard will recognise that Jason doesnt need his medicine's anymore. And as Jason grows up he start to notice the similarities.
Children are perceptive, but I also know that he's only just a few months over 4 years of age. At that age you don't have a concept as anyone but your parents as your parents. Connections come from your parents explaining your relations, grandparents, aunts, uncles. THere isn't some intuitive 'connection' that kids sense. Kid's take time to warm up to and learn who their grandparents and other relatives are, especially when they are young.
As far as getting an A in science, that's probably one of the most far fetched things in the movie. Pre-schoolers don't take science. THey don't have grades. My oldest daughter is in the third grade and they only have Good, Very Good, Satisfactory and Needs Improvement. I don't think SInger is really familiar with children or pregnancy.
Sure, Richard will notice that Jason no longer needs his medicine. But what point are you making here? I think it was certainly suggested that Richard suspects that Superman is really Jason's father when he agrees to drive Lois and Jason to the hospital. And yes, as Jason grows up he will notice the similarities. But not at 4 years old. I think I said that in another post. He will notice similarities. He'll start to wonder what's going on and why he seems to exhibit similar powers to Superman. When he's old enough to understand about conception, pregnancy and childbirth, he will figure it out. Most likely, when he starts to question Lois and Richard about the similarities, it will probably lead to a discussion about sex and pregnancy sooner than they would have liked to discuss the matter. THen Lois and Richard will have to tell him. The first thing he's going to say though isn't "Cool, Superman's my dad." He's going to be hurt, confused and angry about why Superman hasn't been a father to him. He's already emotionally identified Richard as his dad and no matter what, Superman will never be able to replace Richard. He's going to have a stronger connection to Richard becasue of all the time and love that they've shared. It will take awhile, realistically, for Jason to come to terms with the reality of the situation: SUperman got his mom pregnant and wasn't around for the first 4 years of his life at all and then has only been on the perimeter of his life since then.
It definately was NOT awe on his face, that was the look he gave at the end of the movie when Superman flew away from their house. The look outside the plane was confusion, longing and recognition.
I don't think it's possible for a 4 year old to be that perceptive in such a stressful and scary situation. Confusion and fear, yes. Recognition is unrealistic.
If you see recognition and longing then that's fine, but it's just not realistic for a 4 year old.
Well we both know the amnesia kiss wasnt part of the movie. I think Lois and Superman had a relationship, she remembers that relationship. She had sex with Richard soon after Superman left for Krypton and she obviously hasnt moved on from Superman, at least throughout most of the movie. though i think she loves both Richard AND Superman for different reasons.
Well, I agree with all that. However, I think what is unclear is the context of these events.
1. The Superman/ Lois relationship- what kind of relationship were they in?
2. How did Lois move on to Richard so quickly as to think that Jason was Richard's son. We're talking a period of less than 2 weeks for paternity to be an issue. When you're pregnant, they do an ultra-sound to determine gestational age. Establishing gestational age is necessary to predict the due date. It is possible to pinpoint the day of conception down to around a few day range. If you keep track of things, the couple can figure out the EXACT day. So, why would Lois say Jason was born pre-mature? Well, the intention is to show that she believes that Richard is Jason's father based on when they had sex. An ultrasound would have pinpointed gestational age specifically enough, that Jason would not have appeared to have been born pre-mature though. This would have brought up the questions of paternity for Richard and Lois before Jason was even born. If Richard had sex with Lois within a 2 week period after Superman did, then paternity could be a question. But Jason would not have been perceived to be pre-mature.
The other part of this is why did Lois move on so quickly from the man she loved when it could not have possibly been clear that Superman was going to be gone for an extended period of time. The context is unclear. It just doesn't sit well to say, 'well, sometime people hook up and have sex.' OK, some people do, but are they responsible adults? Are Lois and Richard this kind of person? Rarely does this lead to an extended relationship and espousal. So, what happened? So, without a context it is less believable. There is a story there, something specific happened. The details are important. Leaving them out is just laziness b/c SInger doesn't want to tell that part of the story, or he doesn't understand the imprtance of these facts to understanding the characters and their motivations. It also treat sex too casually.
3. So, what have SUperman and Lois decided about hanling Jason? Do they have an agreement? How will Superman be involved in Jason's life? DOesn't Superman wonder how come Lois was having sex with some other guy at almost the same time he and Lois were intimate?
I think it is clear that Lois has not moved on from Superman, but she is making the decision to stay with Richard by determining what's best for her son. I think that she does love Richard, but I also think that he decision is not about whom she loves, but what is best for her son. I also think there is a subtext that indicates her feeling for Superman might be based more on infatuation and physical attraction than a true deep love.
