Ultimate Power

[Docker2.0]

i was kinda dissapointed. galactus = bada$$, squadron supreme = bad attempt at making fun of DC. thats not like cool? just pathetic (exempting the wicked cool doctor prism OF COURSE)

Wow! That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in awhile! Squadron Supreme isn't a poke of fun at DC, its actually a show of respect! SS is one of the best comics out under Marvel. Its just Marvel take on the JLA. Where was the criticism when DC had the Maximums, a swipe at the Avengers and Spiderman?

 

[The Question]

What the hell are you talking about ? First you provide a ridiculous hypothesis on how Thor may be able to match up to Hyperions FAR superior strength (Which i have empirically proven), based on some obscure notion about different rules of physics (That have yet to be accounted for). When you realise what you've suggested is just plain ******ed, you go on to state the fallacy that there clear is empirical data that contradicts you’re previously made claim !!!!

1) Don't get angry.

2) I wasn't talking about differences in the laws of physics.

Oh yeah like the time he was getting beaten up by a character who could barely lift a submarine. As stated earlier, Submarines are litterally millions of times litghter than Tectonic plates.

1) Thor didn't expect Collosus to be as strong as he was, and was taken by surprise.

2) Hyperion has never moved tectonic plates. He smashed into the ground, creating a massive shockwave that can be measured on the same scale used to measure the shockwaves caused when tectonic plates move.

 

[Furthermore]

I'm against this crossover anyway and none of the feed back makes me feel any better about it. Glad I didn't buy the issue.

 

[Horrorfan]

Wow....anyone who has read SS would see it's not a knock on dc at all.


I love the fact it's basically the JLA in the marvel universe. If you read the many fights between SS and JLA, it's never one sided, and the SS are treated extremely respecfully. It's not a satire, it's a homage, a way for marvel to write JLA stories legally.

 

[Furthermore]

I agree with Horrorfan there. SS and SP isn't a knock on DC at all. I hate myself for saying this but it's a, "reimagining." And, it happens to be a really really good reimagining. It's just a shame that Marvel feels it needs to cross this amazing universe over with the Ultimate line. Oh well.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It wasn't that bad. Greg Land is the MVP on this bad boy if you ask me.

 

[Zenien]

Didn't Ult-Hulk basically singlehandedly destroy an entire fleet of technologically advanced alien warships? Hell, didn't he basically brush off an actual, outright nuclear weapon? I'd say that puts him easily on par with Hyperion, I mean that nuke they dropped on Hype left him pretty floored.

If memory serves Hyperion wasn't hit by just one nuke, and the nukes used on him were far from your average nuke. They were refered to as "Daisy Cutter" Bombs and he was hit by 20 of them at what was ground zero.

I'm at work right now, but I'm pretty sure they discribe the yeild of the "Daisy Cutter" bomb in the book somehwere if someone has it handy.

 

[gildea]

1) Thor didn't expect Collosus to be as strong as he was, and was taken by surprise.

You got a source or any evidence for that claim?

(the wizard chart ages ago put thor under colossus).

 

[The Question]

You got a source or any evidence for that claim?

(the wizard chart ages ago put thor under colossus).

The Wizard charts were bull****. And it just seemed to me that Thor was caught off gaurd by Collosus' strength.

 

[The Question]

If memory serves Hyperion wasn't hit by just one nuke, and the nukes used on him were far from your average nuke. They were refered to as "Daisy Cutter" Bombs and he was hit by 20 of them at what was ground zero.

I'm at work right now, but I'm pretty sure they discribe the yeild of the "Daisy Cutter" bomb in the book somehwere if someone has it handy.

A Daisy Cutter has the force of a nuke but no radiation. That way, demolished areas are still habitable after a bombing.

 

[Zenien]

Huh, I remembered a daisy cutter being described are more powerful then a standard Nuke, my bad.

 

[Horrorfan]

Has anyone seen that Nighthawk vs Hyperion comic coming out?


Seems a little unfair, as Hyperion should be able to cream Nighthawk with ease.

Also have any ultimates characters fought any SS ones yet?

 

[Docker2.0]

Well that's the Batman vs. Superman, Marvel style. It will be interesting to see how it plays out since Hyperion has no known weakness. But to be honest, I doubt this comes out. This has been rumored for awhile.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Hyperion has a weakness, and it's every man's weakness....

Hookers.

Lots of them.

 

[gildea]

The Wizard charts were bull****. And it just seemed to me that Thor was caught off gaurd by Collosus' strength.

I'll grant you the scale seems wrong on the charts.

But regarding colossus thor how on earth can you tell that the beginning of the fight was off panel as was almost all of it apart from one panel of colossus smacking thor. There really is now basis for that claim given we didn't see the start of the fight and all we were told is colossus had been smacking thor up and down.

 

[The Question]

I'll grant you the scale seems wrong on the charts.

But regarding colossus thor how on earth can you tell that the beginning of the fight was off panel as was almost all of it apart from one panel of colossus smacking thor. There really is now basis for that claim given we didn't see the start of the fight and all we were told is colossus had been smacking thor up and down.

I suppose you're right. I just think, given Thor being called the most powerful superhuman on Earth in The Ultimates later on, and physically stronger than any mutant, then Collosus must have simply caught him by surprise with his strength and took him down quickly enough so he couldn't properly defend himself.

 

[gildea]

I suppose you're right. I just think, given Thor being called the most powerful superhuman on Earth in The Ultimates later on, and physically stronger than any mutant, then Collosus must have simply caught him by surprise with his strength and took him down quickly enough so he couldn't properly defend himself.

I forgot about that quote in ultimates 2 actually.

Perhaps when the belt was made colossus hadn't been 'discovered' yet?

Of course that seems like it was all part of loki's illusions so now I don't know what to think!

 

[The Question]

I forgot about that quote in ultimates 2 actually.

Perhaps when the belt was made colossus hadn't been 'discovered' yet?

Of course that seems like it was all part of loki's illusions so now I don't know what to think!

Way I see it, Thor is alot stronger than Collosus, and Collosus just got lucky.

 

[gildea]

Ach well guess we just disagree

I'm just going on what i've seen.

 

[The Question]

Ach well guess we just disagree

I'm just going on what i've seen.

So am I. Nothing to say that Collosus didn't just get lucky, which would make the most sense in the long run.

 

[gildea]

But thor hasn't shown any feats of strength that I am aware of.

He's shown feats of power and durability but thats a different kettle of fish.

 

[The Question]

But thor hasn't shown any feats of strength that I am aware of.

He's shown feats of power and durability but thats a different kettle of fish.

He hasn't shown any feats of weakness (if that makes any sense) either. He has, however, taken on a small army plus about eight super soldiers at the sime time and just swatted them around like flies, and has smashed through giant alien spacecraft. He's pretty damn powerful. Thor VS. Hyperion could be good.

 

[Docker2.0]

But thor hasn't shown any feats of strength that I am aware of.

He's shown feats of power and durability but thats a different kettle of fish.

Thor really hasn't shown a lot of strength in the 616 universe either. He supposedly is in the 100 ton range but he rarely does things to show it. He depends a lot on Mjolnir to do everything. It'd be interesting to see Thor go really all out against an opponent.

 

[gildea]

He hasn't shown any feats of weakness (if that makes any sense) either. He has, however, taken on a small army plus about eight super soldiers at the sime time and just swatted them around like flies, and has smashed through giant alien spacecraft. He's pretty damn powerful. Thor VS. Hyperion could be good.

I'm not questoning his power, per se only his strength level of which we have no evidence.

I mean theoretically he could just teleport hyperion to wherever he sent that bomb in the alien arc of ultimates.

 

[gildea]

Thor really hasn't shown a lot of strength in the 616 universe either. He supposedly is in the 100 ton range but he rarely does things to show it. He depends a lot on Mjolnir to do everything. It'd be interesting to see Thor go really all out against an opponent.

Theres a big difference between rarely and never. I agree he rarely shows his strength but he has.

Remember he only needs to do it once for it to be canon.