Age of Ultron Ultron! We Would Have Words With Thee! Official Thor/Chris Hemworth Thread

[Loki882]

Thor and Cap are the two characters who don't really seem to change much at their core (at least after a certain point). Sure they may learn stuff along the way, but their basic characters are kind of set (I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, just an observation). Maybe that's why Loki tends to steal the movies that he's in. Hemsworth does really well in the role, but Thor is basically just the "dashing hero" where as Loki is the more multi-faceted/complicated character (which makes him more appealing/interesting to a lot of people). TWS got around Cap's pretty unchanging nature by making it a key theme/plot point and by giving everyone ELSE character arcs that are in some way affected by Cap. He doesn't really change, he changes the people around him.

 

[Loki882]

Portman is smart, the payday she receives from Marvel and the Thor franchise is far beyond any movie she will make in the upcoming future..
She will not give that up..Her role will continue to expand and Marvel is going to make it worth her while to stay...

I heard that she was angry about Patty Jenkins leaving/getting canned, so maybe some of that carried over into her performance. Also, Portman seems to be an actress who's performances depend on the material. Give her good and interesting stuff (Black Swan, Leon: The Professional) and she does really well. Give her mediocre/bad material (The Star Wars PT) and she can be quite dull. And while the Thor movies are nowhere near as bad as the PT, the simple fact is that they haven't given Portman very good material to work with. Jane is written particularly interestingly in either film and even the "romance" between her and Thor has been really poorly executed. If the character were written better, she'd probably be more into it (like Johansson, Paltrow, and Atwell seem to be).

 

[Raiden]

I heard that she was angry about Patty Jenkins leaving/getting canned, so maybe some of that carried over into her performance. Also, Portman seems to be an actress who's performances depend on the material. Give her good and interesting stuff (Black Swan, Leon: The Professional) and she does really well. Give her mediocre/bad material (The Star Wars PT) and she can be quite dull. And while the Thor movies are nowhere near as bad as the PT, the simple fact is that they haven't given Portman very good material to work with. Jane is written particularly interestingly in either film and even the "romance" between her and Thor has been really poorly executed. If the character were written better, she'd probably be more into it (like Johansson, Paltrow, and Atwell seem to be).

They really should've given Jane more of a strong-willed personality, like BW does. It might seemed like a retread of Sif, but I think since she is a mere mortal, Jane needs to be better than just a girlfriend for Thor to protect.

 

[ssj wolverine]

As a fan of Thor, it gets frustrating when he gets shafted in the comics in terms of getting bested by opponents that he shouldn't. From the first Avengers, I don't think the casual viewer understands the full threat that Thor is other than throwing Mjolnir as crutch. But then again if Thor is shown unleashing what he is fully capable of the movie when end in the first 5 minutes. My fear is Hulk giving Ultron a run for its money after Thor got thrashed with ease. I get that there is a certain hierarchy in Marvel cinema universe but please show at least that Ultron understands the threat that Thor can be and is needed to be eliminated first before Ultron can take over the world.

 

[mc7791]

As a fan of Thor, it gets frustrating when he gets shafted in the comics in terms of getting bested by opponents that he shouldn't. From the first Avengers, I don't think the casual viewer understands the full threat that Thor is other than throwing Mjolnir as crutch. But then again if Thor is shown unleashing what he is fully capable of the movie when end in the first 5 minutes. My fear is Hulk giving Ultron a run for its money after Thor got thrashed with ease. I get that there is a certain hierarchy in Marvel cinema universe but please show at least that Ultron understands the threat that Thor can be and is needed to be eliminated first before Ultron can take over the world.

Hopefully Whedon will take all that into account. Otherwise the balance he had in the first film will be lost to some degree in this one.

 

[Herolee10]

Well I guess it should help that we won't have to wait until near the second act of the film for Thor to show up in this film.

And while I think Whedon is capable of writing some great material for Thor's character in a way that could really breathe some new life into him like how he did for Black Widow's and Hulk's character, it's really only a question/matter of whether he's even interested in Thor's character.

If I had to take a guess, I'd say that Whedon has not made it a well governed secret that he has a particular fondness for writing things for characters like Bruce Banner/Hulk, Iron Man, and Black Widow.

 

[BigThor]

Have any of you guys heard the rumors that

Spoiler

they might kill off Jane in this movie?

That would certainly give Thor significant development and in addition to his power set give him motivation to be crucial in defeating Ultron.

I would like that very much.

Well I guess it should help that we won't have to wait until near the second act of the film for Thor to show up in this film.

And while I think Whedon is capable of writing some great material for Thor's character in a way that could really breathe some new life into him like how he did for Black Widow's and Hulk's character, it's really only a question/matter of whether he's even interested in Thor's character.

If I had to take a guess, I'd say that Whedon has not made it a well governed secret that he has a particular fondness for writing things for characters like Bruce Banner/Hulk, Iron Man, and Black Widow.

It's clear that he doesn't really care for Thor, I've been saying that since before the first film WS released

 

[Herolee10]

If anything, it seems like Whedon just likes to find excuses to show off Chris's body on film.lol

He was the one that apparently wrote in the scene of Thor just washing his hands while being topless in TDW, and now he's having Thor emerge from water while topless once more.lol

 

[walltron]

how cool would it be if ultron blasts thor, shredding his armor and making a huge crater. then thor summons lightning without his hammer pissed. infact calling it now lol

 

[ciscostudent561]

I'm not gonna say Whedon doesn't care about Thor.
The real issue is again Thors power level compared to the rest of the team. Including Hulk. Even if u say Hulk is stronger (slightly at best) Thors range of attacks, fighting ability and invulnerability makes even that much harder to write for him alongside much much weaker street levelers like Hawkeye and bw.

That's why I can't get into Avengers comics that much. ThorS powerlevel takes a nosedive against foes that are on spiderman and wolverine power levels.

Honestly this hasn't happened in the Avengers film yet.
THOR has wrecked shop having no issues with Iron Man, retraining Hulk, taking out a multitude of Leviathans ...etc... so yeah I'm with the crowd that hope his powers don't continually nosedive or worse he gets stomped by a foe Hulk does better against. Just wouldn't make sense.

Oh and I dont get the increased emphasis on bw and Hawkeye anyway. Ultron and even Thanos or way more powerful threats. What are those ants gonna do against them? The plot needs to circle around the more powerful Avengers going forward. Please don't insult my intelligence with bw or Hawkeye standing a chance against them in battle

 

[Steamteck]

Sure it could. Or maybe not.
What's the purpose of that shot? Cap's shield broken. Thor fallen. Having Thor without the hammer would simply reinforce the theme of the heroes (allegedly) broken and defeated. That theme would also be reinforced by the trailer prominently featuring Thor dropping Mjolnir in slo-mo.

Oh joy.

 

[MarvelFan]

As a fan of Thor, it gets frustrating when he gets shafted in the comics in terms of getting bested by opponents that he shouldn't. From the first Avengers, I don't think the casual viewer understands the full threat that Thor is other than throwing Mjolnir as crutch. But then again if Thor is shown unleashing what he is fully capable of the movie when end in the first 5 minutes. My fear is Hulk giving Ultron a run for its money after Thor got thrashed with ease. I get that there is a certain hierarchy in Marvel cinema universe but please show at least that Ultron understands the threat that Thor can be and is needed to be eliminated first before Ultron can take over the world.

Agree on all of this...
I really dont want Thor to get some threatment like the first movie where he was made of joke (when he's getting hit by Hulk...just for laugh..)

 

[walltron]

I'm not gonna say Whedon doesn't care about Thor.
The real issue is again Thors power level compared to the rest of the team. Including Hulk. Even if u say Hulk is stronger (slightly at best) Thors range of attacks, fighting ability and invulnerability makes even that much harder to write for him alongside much much weaker street levelers like Hawkeye and bw.

That's why I can't get into Avengers comics that much. ThorS powerlevel takes a nosedive against foes that are on spiderman and wolverine power levels.

Honestly this hasn't happened in the Avengers film yet.
THOR has wrecked shop having no issues with Iron Man, retraining Hulk, taking out a multitude of Leviathans ...etc... so yeah I'm with the crowd that hope his powers don't continually nosedive or worse he gets stomped by a foe Hulk does better against. Just wouldn't make sense.

Oh and I dont get the increased emphasis on bw and Hawkeye anyway. Ultron and even Thanos or way more powerful threats. What are those ants gonna do against them? The plot needs to circle around the more powerful Avengers going forward. Please don't insult my intelligence with bw or Hawkeye standing a chance against them in battle

my argument to that is always look at the guardians. they aren't all that powerful. why were there no complaints as to how star lord, rocket or gamora would hurt the clearly powerful ronan? same ronan who was owning drax even without the gem. ppl don't say, for whatever reason, well hurrr duur what are they gonna do against thanos. they haven't displayed anything above bw or hwkguy yet unless u wanna count tech, which can easily solved. that's the beauty and draw of marvel. that unlike D.C, not everyone is god tier. but they stand side by side nevertheless. if that insults your intelligence you're in the wrong genre cuz the comics do it constantly. I don't want a bunch of thor powered characters flying around. it diminishes his value. the more human characters keeps things from getting to crazy and instills real threat in the action. and the increased emphasis on them is because they are marvel heroes, plain and simple. they have a rich history in the comics and marvel does care to respect their characters like it or not. that and they gotta make use of the actors they are paying lol

 

[Venomfan]

Dude if Thor summons lighting without Mjolnir I might literally start foaming at the mouth.

I keep reading he might lose mjolnir. What if the reason is because Ultron has all his info from Starks/the worlds files. To Stark and everyone else, they probably think he gets his powers from the hammer. Ultron steals the hammer or w/e to try and nullify Thor. Then we find out his powers aren't from the hammer and he does all his lighting summoning or w/e. Would be good for the audience who all think the hammer is his power source and would think he's screwed when he loses it

 

[harryoscop]

my argument to that is always look at the guardians. they aren't all that powerful. why were there no complaints as to how star lord, rocket or gamora would hurt the clearly powerful ronan? same ronan who was owning drax even without the gem. ppl don't say, for whatever reason, well hurrr duur what are they gonna do against thanos. they haven't displayed anything above bw or hwkguy yet unless u wanna count tech, which can easily solved. that's the beauty and draw of marvel. that unlike D.C, not everyone is god tier. but they stand side by side nevertheless. if that insults your intelligence you're in the wrong genre cuz the comics do it constantly. I don't want a bunch of thor powered characters flying around. it diminishes his value. the more human characters keeps things from getting to crazy and instills real threat in the action. and the increased emphasis on them is because they are marvel heroes, plain and simple. they have a rich history in the comics and marvel does care to respect their characters like it or not. that and they gotta make use of the actors they are paying lol

Starlord and Rocket never fought Ronan head on, and Gamora and Drax clearly had superhuman capabilities.

 

[Zoom]

I keep reading he might lose mjolnir. What if the reason is because Ultron has all his info from Starks/the worlds files. To Stark and everyone else, they probably think he gets his powers from the hammer. Ultron steals the hammer or w/e to try and nullify Thor. Then we find out his powers aren't from the hammer and he does all his lighting summoning or w/e. Would be good for the audience who all think the hammer is his power source and would think he's screwed when he loses it

That would be amazing.

 

[jaqua99]

Thor and Cap are the two characters who don't really seem to change much at their core (at least after a certain point). Sure they may learn stuff along the way, but their basic characters are kind of set (I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, just an observation). Maybe that's why Loki tends to steal the movies that he's in. Hemsworth does really well in the role, but Thor is basically just the "dashing hero" where as Loki is the more multi-faceted/complicated character (which makes him more appealing/interesting to a lot of people). TWS got around Cap's pretty unchanging nature by making it a key theme/plot point and by giving everyone ELSE character arcs that are in some way affected by Cap. He doesn't really change, he changes the people around him.

Thinking about it though, doesn't that make Thor and Cap two of the most...heroic heroes? Best moral characters?

Cap and Thor are two of the most genuinly good people in the MU I feel like

 

[walltron]

Starlord and Rocket never fought Ronan head on, and Gamora and Drax clearly had superhuman capabilities.

the point seemed to go clear over your head. no duh Starlord and Rocket nvr fought ronan. please out to me where I said they did. the point was nobody questioned how these powerless characters were gonna take on ronan before they saw the movie. and nobody questions how they are gonna take on thanos although they are no more powerful than widow n barton. gamora never displayed abilities that put her much higher than say cap. you telling me drax clearly had superhuman capabilities is another case of u not reading, seeing as how I never stated otherwise.


anyway this aint the thread for this

 

[walltron]

I keep reading he might lose mjolnir. What if the reason is because Ultron has all his info from Starks/the worlds files. To Stark and everyone else, they probably think he gets his powers from the hammer. Ultron steals the hammer or w/e to try and nullify Thor. Then we find out his powers aren't from the hammer and he does all his lighting summoning or w/e. Would be good for the audience who all think the hammer is his power source and would think he's screwed when he loses it

sounds hype t:

the more I watch the trailer the more thor's new costume is growing on me

 

[ciscostudent561]

Starlord and Rocket never fought Ronan head on, and Gamora and Drax clearly had superhuman capabilities.

Yup
Plus I began my speal by saying that's the reason I don't read Avengers comics! Cosmic threats and street levelers don't match!

 

[ciscostudent561]

Thinking about it though, doesn't that make Thor and Cap two of the most...heroic heroes? Best moral characters?

Cap and Thor are two of the most genuinly good people in the MU I feel like

Basically y they are the only Avengers I'm really a fan of.

 

[Venomfan]

feige on introducing captain marvel
"one of, if not, the most powerful hero of the entire MCU"

So how would people feel about Carol being more powerful possibly than Thor?

 

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feige on introducing captain marvel
"one of, if not, the most powerful hero of the entire MCU"

So how would people feel about Carol being more powerful possibly than Thor?

It's only hype. She's powerful, no doubt, but she should be nowhere close to Thor, for example.

 

[souNdwAve89]

It's only hype. She's powerful, no doubt, but she should be nowhere close to Thor, for example.

I agree. Just like a lot of the previous heroes, many people probably never heard of Ms. Marvel. It makes sense that Feige would say something like that to get people talking. I really doubt they'll make her stronger than Thor.

Also, this may have been talked about already, but anyone notice how in the trailer, when Thor drops his hammer, it doesn't drop like it did in the first Avengers? See clip for reference
http://youtu.be/BscTljPanTo?t=1m37s

They probably did it for dramatic effect, but I've always been somewhat of a nitpicker

 

[ciscostudent561]

Strongest in mcu? Watta insult. Shes at iron man power levels.