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Thanks I remember many Thor fans being happy here though.
Having just seen the deleted scenes and heard what Whedon has to say, I think Hemsworth got a very bad deal. Whedon admits (like I previously predicted) that Thor is difficult to write for because he doesn't talk like people and specially difficult to write for in a grounded movie like Avengers. He says Hemsworth was very protective of the character and trying very hard not to be irrelevant. And Whedon said Hemsworth was very patient with him. So he wrote this scene entirely for him, this was supposed to be Hemsworth's big scene in the film - a 4 minute sequence entirely centered on Thor, giving Hemsworth extended dialog, infact more dialog than he had in the rest of the film combined. It also gave Thor something to do, as he himself comes up with this plan, sacrifices himself, learns something very important and goes and tells the team. And Hemsworth kills the scene as Whedon admits. It is kinda like a possession sequence like the one Cate Blanchett did in LOTR - a big show-offy actory scene. And like Whedon said - designed to give Hemsworth something cool to do and Hemsworth gives a great performance.
And what happens?
The scene gets cut!
They couldn't not show this scene because then it would be hard to explain why Thor disappears in the middle of the movie. So they had to reluctantly keep it, and just kept about 30 seconds of it. And the scene in the movie is terrible. I hated it when I saw it and thought it should have been cut. And most of the audience hated it.
But seeing the full sequence, it absolutely should have stayed in the film. The scene in the movie does not make sense at all. I was like what the hell is this cave? Why is Selvig here, what is the pond, why is this needed? And the full sequence explains everything and puts everything in context.
Whedon openly admits that he hates the fact that the scene isn't in the film. He said the film is a film of compromises and this is one of the biggest ones. You have to wonder how 3 minutes of extra time would have killed the film.
Again, it was a mistake to cut the scene. And rob Hemsworth of his one big scene and extended sequence in the film.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe Whedon was forced by the Studio to cut/reduce this scene.
Whedon mentioned in a interview after AOU had premiered that when the Studio Executives had seen a rough cut of the film, they didn't like the scenes with Hawkeye's Family (at the farm) and this one. So they tried to make him cut/reduce both scenes but Whedon didn't want to lose both of them so they made him choose which one he wanted to keep in tact and it ultimately ended up being Thor's scene.
Should have cut down the Farm bits. The Thor scene in the film conveys the information it needs to in a much more concise way that the longer drawn out version , but the truncated version leaves a lot of weird unexplained elements. Where is this cave? Why is Selvig there? Etc. Since that scene actually moves the plot along it should have take precedence over the Farm stuff.
Those farm scenes grind the film to a screeching halt. Those scenes could have been trimmed or the Farm bits could have been lost entirely. Giving Barton a family was just a lazy way to make the audience care about him.
TOTALLY agree! The farm scenes could have been cut back ALOT and still made sense and give you feels for Clint.Should have cut down the Farm bits. The Thor scene in the film conveys the information it needs to in a much more concise way that the longer drawn out version , but the truncated version leaves a lot of weird unexplained elements. Where is this cave? Why is Selvig there? Etc. Since that scene actually moves the plot along it should have take precedence over the Farm stuff.
Those farm scenes grind the film to a screeching halt. Those scenes could have been trimmed or the Farm bits could have been lost entirely. Giving Barton a family was just a lazy way to make the audience care about him.
Mjölnir;32158283 said:For my part they could just have kept the farm as it is and the cave scene as the deleted version. I think the people forcing Whedon to cut one were wrong, probably biased by the reactions to a scene very dependent on the not yet done effects, and the movie's length would be very marginally affected.
They didn't force him to cut the cave scenes. It was an editing and continuity issue not a time or either/or issue. Whedon explained in that Empire interview that no one thought the cave scenes worked, including him and early test audiences. The only ones that wanted it were reportedly Hemsworth's people.
Ideally they wanted to cut it all out but the problem was if they did that they'd have no explanation of where Thor was during the farm scenes after he left. One way to accomplish that would be to cut down the farm scenes and voila no continuity issues about Thor's whereabouts. That was the dilemma. Whedon wanted all the farm scenes so the compromise was to keep part of the cave scenes drastically edited down so that the full farm scenes could remain.
If Whedon says otherwise in the commentary then that's a different spin on the story he was telling before. Even after the release of the film he kept saying there were only about 2 minutes of film from bits and pieces he wouldn't have liked to have kept in the final cut that aren't there.
They didn't force him to cut the cave scenes. It was an editing and continuity issue not a time or either/or issue. Whedon explained in that Empire interview that no one thought the cave scenes worked, including him and early test audiences. The only ones that wanted it were reportedly Hemsworth's people.
Ideally they wanted to cut it all out but the problem was if they did that they'd have no explanation of where Thor was during the farm scenes after he left. One way to accomplish that would be to cut down the farm scenes and voila no continuity issues about Thor's whereabouts. That was the dilemma. Whedon wanted all the farm scenes so the compromise was to keep part of the cave scenes drastically edited down so that the full farm scenes could remain.
If Whedon says otherwise in the commentary then that's a different spin on the story he was telling before. Even after the release of the film he kept saying there were only about 2 minutes of film from bits and pieces he wouldn't have liked to have kept in the final cut that aren't there.
I would have liked to have seen the scene also but I think the time Thor did have in the film was well spent. As a Thor fan I was happy with what happened with his screen time even if I wanted more.