US Attorney General Eric Holder: "We are a nation of cowards"

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Holder claims we are a "nation of cowards" because we don't confront issues of race...we voluntarily segregate ourselves, etc..etc.

Do you guys agree with our US Attorney General?
 
No. If anything, we're a nation of hypersensitive people. Case in point: Attorney General Holder.
 
This reminds of the Bush lackey who claimed that we we in a mental recession and we were just a bunch of whiners.
 
If people are unwilling to confront issues pertaining to race, sexuality, gender, etc. because they do not want to offend the majority, then yes-- they are cowards. I agree with his statements in the context which they were stated.
 
This reminds of the Bush lackey who claimed that we we in a mental recession and we were just a bunch of whiners.

It's not even close, really. Gramm was complaining about how people were whining about the economy-- when it was in a ****ing recession. Holder is talking about how people are cowardly for not confronting certain issues because they may offend the majority. And yes, there have been cases where people who were unwilling to confront race at certain opportunities set movements back. Case in point, the voluntary segregation which occurred AFTER bus segregation was overturned in Alabama. Because of that, white supremacists were able to argue that blacks ENJOY being oppressed, and that arguably set up several barriers in several states during the civil rights movement.
 
If people are unwilling to confront issues pertaining to race, sexuality, gender, etc. because they do not want to offend the majority, then yes-- they are cowards. I agree with his statements in the context which they were stated.

What if we just don't care enough to do anything?
 
So, you are not allowed to spend time with people you want on your own time?

Whether they are black, white, or alien it doesn't matter who you hang out with. It's your choice, who is this Fool to even think it is Government's responsibility to determine who you spend time with and when???

Utter Stupidity.
 
So, you are not allowed to spend time with people you want on your own time?

Whether they are black, white, or alien it doesn't matter who you hang out with. It's your choice, who is this Fool to even think it is Government's responsibility to determine who you spend time with and when???

Utter Stupidity.

I agree. Holder was suggesting its a problem when people choose to hang out with people of the same racial background and seemed to imply the government must do something about it. To suggest that choosing to "voluntarily segregate yourself" is cowardly is absurd, idiotic, and divisive claim to make.

Perhaps some people...I dunno... want to enjoy life and not engage in racially-charged or group-think rhetoric or discussions that lead to pointless power struggles all the time.
 
So, you are not allowed to spend time with people you want on your own time?

Whether they are black, white, or alien it doesn't matter who you hang out with. It's your choice, who is this Fool to even think it is Government's responsibility to determine who you spend time with and when???

Utter Stupidity.

Apparently, we should have race quotas in our personal lives. For instance, if I live in a town that is 25% Hispanic, then I need to make sure that one out of every 4 women I go out with is Hispanic.

And that whole thing about the FairTax? No, the real reason you and I should be friends is because I'm a cracker and you have Asian blood in you (from what I can tell from your pictures). :whatever:
 
I agree. Holder was suggesting its a problem when people choose to hang out with people of the same racial background and seemed to imply the government must do something about it. To suggest that choosing to "voluntarily segregate yourself" is cowardly is absurd, idiotic, and divisive claim to make.

Perhaps some people...I dunno... want to enjoy life and not engage in racially-charged or group-think rhetoric or discussions that lead to pointless power struggles all the time.

Really? Where the hell do you get this from? His comments were:

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial, we have always been and we -- I believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards."

Followed with:

"certain subjects are off-limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one's character."

and:

"I think if we're going to ever make progress, we have to have the guts. We have to have the determination to be honest with each other."

I do not see how ANY of these comments indicate that he wants the federal government to step in and take charge of who people spend their time with. Now, unless you can supply me with quotes which say the contrary-- and please, do if you have them, I have only heard these remarks-- I don't see how you can accurately claim that is what he is advocating.

Additionally, I see his comments as indicating that many of us who belong to a certain ethnic, religious, or other cultural identity refuse to stand up for who we are, and willfully allow segregation to take place.

It has happened in the past. There are historical examples, like the one I mentioned above, which fit the context of his remarks perfectly.
 
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Have any of you read his remarks? Because judging from your responses, none of you actually have.

He doesn't call for an increase in the federal government's role in race relations. In fact, for most of you "libertarians," he calls for something you should all agree with: Personal responsibility. Holder is referencing how we, as a society, have the ability to stay silent when silence is not merited. He refers to how we, as a society, should discuss things which we are afraid to discuss because we may be embarrassed.

Have any of you studied the Civil Rights movement? You do know that segregation in the South didn't just end because Martin Luther King, Jr. gave a rousing speech many people liked, right? You do know that there were movements in individual cities, which collectively added up to the removal of many segregation laws? And that in some places, African Americans and whites stood in the way of progress by ceding to segregation, as if not to seem "out of place"?

All it took, for me, was once glance at the comments in the CNN article to understand what he was referring to. He didn't lambaste whites, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc.-- he criticized ALL of America for failing to speak up when necessary, for constantly yielding to the perceived majority. He claims that some subjects make people uncomfortable. He believes that we should NOT act this way.

Christ, he was speaking at a Black History event, where he was discussing RACE.

Some of you really need to put your anti-government sentiment aside before attacking politicians who you already have a pre-conceived bias against.
 
I just think Holder needs to think of his wording alittle more before he opens his mouth.
 
So, you are not allowed to spend time with people you want on your own time?

Whether they are black, white, or alien it doesn't matter who you hang out with. It's your choice, who is this Fool to even think it is Government's responsibility to determine who you spend time with and when???

Utter Stupidity.

You would have a point if Holder actually, you know, said those things.
 
What is the point of an Appointed Official telling the American people that they live their lives wrong? Is it he is just getting something off of his chest? Great medium for it, you know, National Television?

I'm sure he didn't really mean what he said, and he'll get away with just an apology, like all the other Democrats that have "just made mistakes".
 
He shouldn't have to apologize for his remarks, though, when you consider everything he said has merit to it. Especially in an historical context.

These comments also weren't said on national television.
 
Have any of you read his remarks? Because judging from your responses, none of you actually have.

He doesn't call for an increase in the federal government's role in race relations. In fact, for most of you "libertarians," he calls for something you should all agree with: Personal responsibility. Holder is referencing how we, as a society, have the ability to stay silent when silence is not merited. He refers to how we, as a society, should discuss things which we are afraid to discuss because we may be embarrassed.

This may come as a shock to some on the left, but there are people out there who don't sit around in Socratic seminars discussing slave reparations and segregation all the time. They actually enjoy their time with family and friends, enjoy other healthy hobbies, live a normal life. The only people who want to discuss these issues more aggressively are those who think they have something to gain from them, typically the left. Anyone who doesn't share their passion to discuss racial or victim politics will have their character attacked, which is exactly the "Hope" and "Change" mantra is really all about.


Have any of you studied the Civil Rights movement? You do know that segregation in the South didn't just end because Martin Luther King, Jr. gave a rousing speech many people liked, right? You do know that there were movements in individual cities, which collectively added up to the removal of many segregation laws? And that in some places, African Americans and whites stood in the way of progress by ceding to segregation, as if not to seem "out of place"?

Yes, I'm all for passing laws to get the government out of the segregation business. But when it comes to the government coercing quotas, villifying me for who I hang out with or do business with...that's when there is a problem.
 
Even though he shouldn't have said it, I completely agree with Holder. Instead of confronting it, whenever something deals with racial sensitivity, we get *****fied in fear of offending someone. We've become overly PC IMO.
 
This may come as a shock to some on the left, but there are people out there who don't sit around in Socratic seminars discussing slave reparations and segregation all the time. They actually enjoy their time with family and friends, enjoy other healthy hobbies, live a normal life. The only people who want to discuss these issues more aggressively are those who think they have something to gain from them, typically the left. Anyone who doesn't share their passion to discuss racial or victim politics will have their character attacked, which is exactly the "Hope" and "Change" mantra is really all about.

Actually, some of us decide to go to college, where we meet Civil Rights leaders and take classes taught by them, and learn firsthand about what they experienced. That way, when people like Eric Holder make comments about race, we actually have a context to place his remarks in so we don't go around making absurd, downright false claims which cater to our pre-conceived biases. I know that intellectualism is often frowned upon by the right, but I do encourage it to avoid situations such as these.


Yes, I'm all for passing laws to get the government out of the segregation business. But when it comes to the government coercing quotas, villifying me for who I hang out with or do business with...that's when there is a problem.

The only problem with your statement is that there is no mention of quotas by Eric Holder. Nor is he vilifying you for hanging out with certain people, or doing business with others. Not even close. You're simply making up nonsense so you have an excuse to vent.
 
If there was a mandatory quota of friends do I get to count my gay hispanic friend as 1 gay friend and 1 hispanic friend or just 1 gay hispanic friend.

If I could ask - What's left to confront, Mr. Holder?
 
People aggregate towards others like themselves. It's been that way for generations. Whether they're alike racially, emotionally, physically, or have some other common interests that bind them, people tend to like what they find familiar. Hence the reason all of us are here and not on the message boards for Tennis Magazine (it was sitting on the table next to me). Holder should shut his yap and focus on what he was appointed to do.
 
I see few have actually read what Holder has said since this thread started...
 
I agree with Holder's comments, we are cowardly in this country when it comes to discussing race.

I dunno where all this "the government's trying to control who we socialize with" and "race quota" stuff comes from though. I don't see where Holder was saying that... at all... period.
 

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