Forumer said:
I'm ranting on the movie, not the graphic novel:
I hate this movie. It's a narrow-minded movie that tries to be insightful, but falls way short of its target. Why they choose to portray conservatives in general as the equivalent of evil is beyond me. Not to mention their over-simplification of the current state of global politics and the stupid/unbelievable way in which the movie ends.
I don't find it narrow-minded at all and I think that if it were it wouldn't be linked to the insightful aspect of the film ; I think it's due to the book.
Personally I am not going to consider every conservative I meet as evil and I think this aspect was in the book as well. When I read the book and when I saw the film, I''ve never feltthey were portraying conservatives in general. if it was the goal, well I missed it and it was in the book.
I think the "over-simplification" is due to the story-telling and that they can't have the same details than in the book, it seems logical to me, and even if I disagree with it I think it make it more accessible. But more important I didn't feel that they portrayed "the current state of global politics " I think it's general and I think it was part of the book and this is what make it interesting ; 20 years later it's still actual.
Well I didn't find the end stupid and if it were I don't consider it as "unbelievable" . It's a movie, it's a comic-book, it doesn't have to be realistic. I found it full of hope, even if then again I disagree with the fact that people want to change their condition ... but maybe I'm a desillusionnal person.
Forumer said:
They portray V as a logical and sane man (at least that's how he was made to appear, or maybe it was the matrix-like babbling) who is a hero of the people, but he willingfully use people to achieve his ends, which is really revenge. How is bringing anarchy helping the people? Is it really as simple as the people's choice that will govern how the new government will turn out?
Personally I didn't find him rationnal nor sane ; it doesn't mean he can't be logical. And I don't see anything that make him a hero of the people. All I saw was revenge but in a larger way than usual.
that was more interesting. (I'm not congratulating the Wachowski bros at all)
I think that anarchy help people in the same way revolution does. but then again I've never made a revolution so I'd hardly know.
Further more It was already part of the book , wasn't it? When V explained it anarchy not chaos , ...
Forumer said:
*spoiler*I also don't like the part where Evey is tortured. Besides the obvious ethical problems, he seems to rationalize his action by saying that Evey chooses to be tortured, but that's an illogical statement for someone who's supposed to be so calculating. Also, in reality that kind of "training" will most likely result in trauma, not some sort of epiphany.
Here, no offense, but I don't see Ur point. It seems perfectly clear to me.
And yes it would "normally" result in trauma, but I think that if it works it ends in real liberty. That is what make evey exceptionnal : she's able to understand she was living in jail.Well I remember that was all the genius of Alan Moore.
Forumer said:
And am I suppose to buy that Evey will suddenly fall in love with someone who just tortured her?
I would say if you really understand the meaning of the torture ... yes. Well I found it pretty logical. It could easily be a Stokholm syndrom but I prefer to think that Evey undertood the liberty V is offering to her, and just like it happens that a girl fall in love with someone when this someone over-cover her, Evey fall in love with V.
Well, I hope U won't take it as an offense. But I disgree with everything U said.
Hey, I remember when I read the book, 10 or 12 years ago I found it awesome but nobody around me really cared and now it seems everybody love the movie and consider it as the Bible, and I wish I could tell them "hey I know the book since 10 years" but I don't.
Maybe is it this feeling that make U dislike the film.
It was close to the comic-book, I preferred the movie even if I read the book before.