Comics Venom: Dark Origins discussion thread

[MrShifty]

ok I don't mean this to sound mean, but for the movie mention you're officially voted off the internet.

movie Venom had a lot of potential. I see a lot of the movie Venom in this character in Dark Origins

 

[WolfCypher]

In his defense, movie Venom had more impact in 15 minutes of screentime than 616 Venom had in 20 years of comics. At least movie Venom killed Harry. 616 Venom killed a Guard...and folded Aunt May's laundry.

So killing people is the only way for any version of Venom to make an impact?


I guess Carnage is the king of all villians, then.


Then again, Norman Osborn not only killed you-know-who, but had Goblin babies with what's-her-face, too. Talk about making an impact!

 

[shinlyle]

So killing people is the only way for any version of Venom to make an impact?


I guess Carnage is the king of all villians, then.


Then again, Norman Osborn not only killed you-know-who, but had Goblin babies with what's-her-face, too. Talk about making an impact!

No, but Venom has never done anything to anyone in Spidey's personal life of any consequence in the comics. In the movies, he did. What did he do to anyone....scare MJ? That's one of the reasons I've always felt that Venom's "code of ethics" should be a little less strict, or a little more skewed. He shouldn't want to hurt anyone unless it hurts Spider-Man...and then he should enjoy it.

Carnage killed no one of any relevance to Peter's personal life, either, except for "Chip", his BARELY mentioned ESU buddy.

 

[WolfCypher]

No, but Venom has never done anything to anyone in Spidey's personal life of any consequence in the comics. In the movies, he did. What did he do to anyone....scare MJ? That's one of the reasons I've always felt that Venom's "code of ethics" should be a little less strict, or a little more skewed. He shouldn't want to hurt anyone unless it hurts Spider-Man...and then he should enjoy it.

Carnage killed no one of any relevance to Peter's personal life, either, except for "Chip", his BARELY mentioned ESU buddy.

I still must repeat, I strongly disagree greatly with your saying that movie Venom in his pitiful role in a pitiful sequel is greater than the worst of 616 Venom, let alone the best of 616 Venom, but I will agree with your believe that Venom's "code of ethics" has got to go. This always created a barrier that prevented Venom from being an extreme-level threat. I still don't think Venom MUST kill someone of significance just because "villains who kill a hero's love interest/friend/family member are automatically the she-it", but it wouldn't have hurt his character. Whatever the future of Eddie Brock holds for his fans, please do away with the "code of ethics" as shinlyly calls it, and have Venom never return to his days as being a sometimes hero.

 

[Venom 1988]

Unless of course his "code of ethics" involves no one being innocent, then I'd gladly accept that.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

See, adding depth to Brock is what makes this series interesting to me. The symbiote has always been the star, so to speak. Its been given so many powers and back story that it really doesnt even make sense anymore. Meanwhile, Eddie might as well have just been the suit that the alien was wearing. Thats how little attention he got.

Yes, Venom is two beings. But its time to shine some light on the human half. I'm sure we'll get much more of the symbiote as the series goes on.

My exact thoughts, and I'm defenitely going along on the ride to see more of Brock's history and overall depth.

 

[shogunrua]

it was a great read. They show that even before being joined with the symbiote, the guy already had serious psychological issues. I thought he was creepy in that alley scene.

Well the book is called Venom: dark origins so I guess maybe they'll talk a bit about the symbiote's origin, it's just an idea.

I never liked the "we must protect the innocents" angle of the character because 1) it gave the excuse to Marvel to turn him in the "lethal protector" 2) because I think it downgraded a lot of the "disaster" capacities of Venom.

Ok as someone already said, body count doesn't correlate with arch-nemesis (the carnage example is good) but I don't think going all cry baby after killing someone makes him utterly badass either

I have to say I had hopes that "the last tempation of Eddie Brock" was going to fix this, I even had high hopes when I finally read the "no one is innocent" but no, it didn't happen. VO being an origin story, I don't think it's possible to retcon that on it, so now I'm expecting new ways to die to stop the innocent crap.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

It was a good issue. I like how we see Eddie learning to...stretch the truth a bit developing at a young age.

 

[imdaly]

Unless of course his "code of ethics" involves no one being innocent, then I'd gladly accept that.

Well if they go that route, they might as well rename him "Demogoblin".

 

[Hobgoblin]

Well if they go that route, they might as well rename him "Demogoblin".

Whatchu talkin bout, imdaly?

 

[Hobgoblin]

Pete: So this is about me?
Symbiote: You? Of course it's about you, it's always been about you hasn't it? Why should I be any different? Why should you consider what I've been through? Here I was imprisoned by my own race for wanting to help life rather than kill and then you come along and rescue me. You teach me emotions, you teach me love, and then when you discover I'm not just some costume you try and kill me. You repay my love with pain and hate. You taught me to hate. I'm the one responsiblity you've always shirked. I've got others of my kind now, they're all here. I've told them how you feel inside, how special and unique you are. They all want a taste......

Gotta say, I was never interested in Reign but thats an interesting POV from the symbiote. I wouldnt mind some of its "side of the story" in this series, but I wont mind if it doesnt happen.

 

[storyteller]

Personally after reading this issue, i feel its alright but i dont think Brock really needs his story to be told. He had a lousy childhood, its a very common tale among bad guys. He got unfair treatment by bullies. Again a common tale. I see why they are bringing this story out though for the next arc in spiderman. after reading this thread though i would much rather learn more about the symbiote. After the stuff in mighty avengers, Marvel need to reaffirm that the symbiote is the threat and deserves its existence in the comics.

 

[arachnid-guy]

The art is TERRIBLE.

 

[spida-man]

i wish i could read it
I haven't been to a book store in sooo long, let alone bought a comic book

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I'm on the fence. Was it really neccessary ta make Brock a jerk growin' up? When his downfall seemed to be a genuine accident in the 80s? It was like makin' Sandman love sand before he got his powers. Fer once, they should go against the grain an' make the villain actually a DECENT person changed by circumstance. Remember those? I miss those.

 

[MrShifty]

I'm on the fence. Was it really neccessary ta make Brock a jerk growin' up? When his downfall seemed to be a genuine accident in the 80s? It was like makin' Sandman love sand before he got his powers. Fer once, they should go against the grain an' make the villain actually a DECENT person changed by circumstance. Remember those? I miss those.

Minor spoilers!
That is true. I mean I liked the way he set himself up to be the hero because it would make the lethal protector and spidey jealousy make more sense. But i didn't like it when the muggers attacked and he told them to take her, seems out of character, even for him.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Just saw the release for #4, and thankfully mr. wells is touching on the symbiote. I'm glad I was wrong.

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3444.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_November_2008_Spider-Man_Comics

VENOM: DARK ORIGIN #4
Written by ZEB WELLS
Pencils & Cover by ANGEL MEDINA
Eddie Brock's dishonesty and his humiliation at the hands of Spider-Man have poisoned his soul. But it's the strange new costume that'll give him the strength to strike out! Now Eddie's about to discover just where this living alien symbiote comes from…why it possesses the powers it does…and what privileged secrets it can teach him about the man behind Spider-Man's mask! Discover the never-before-seen truth about Venom's past and the symbiote's home planet! By Zeb Wells (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) and Angel Medina (SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN)!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

 

[Nick Danger]

Aside from the art, I don't think this series will be particularly good,... or even worthwhile.

Why is Brock getting bullied in school, Brock was always the bully in my mind.

I'll wait for the trade.

 

[wolvie2020]

This was great. Greatgreatgreat.

Really enjoyed it, te art rocked, and I find it KEEERAZEE that NO ONE has attempted this story yet.

It started to explain SO MUCH of Eddie's chcracter traits.

I hope it just gets better and better

 

[wolvie2020]

In his defense, movie Venom had more impact in 15 minutes of screentime than 616 Venom had in 20 years of comics. At least movie Venom killed Harry. 616 Venom killed a Guard...and folded Aunt May's laundry.

Honestly, I hope that this story is great. I hope to pick it up this weekend.

Lol, I never thought about that.

While you're being a bit harsh, you're totally right! Guess that's why even Peter starting to think Brock became a little bit of a joke b4 Gargan took the mantle.

I'm liking Eddie being his own twisted character without the symbiote.

I've got a really good feeling about this story, and YES, I totally agree with what you're saying about Venom's relevance. He had a scary intro, which if taken care of properly would have lead to some very important deaths and twisted storyline.

Instead he became a 'lethal protector,' uuuuueeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwgghhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeegggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanooooooooooooooowwwwweewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgghhhhhhhh

damn

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I actually liked him as a Lethal Protector; tryin' ta beat Spidey at his own game.

 

[Shockdingo]

*ducks tomatoes* Honestly, I did too back in the day and I still do.

 

[WolfCypher]

Overall, I'll say that in terms of both significance and interest, my list would have Dark Origin in final place. The other Venom stories at the time are pulling me in better, and all three stories are at the beginnings, so none of the stories have had more "time" to develop over the other.

1st place: New Ways to Die
2ns: USM War of the Symbiotes
3rd: Dark Origin

 

[Styleshift]

No, but Venom has never done anything to anyone in Spidey's personal life of any consequence in the comics. In the movies, he did. What did he do to anyone....scare MJ? That's one of the reasons I've always felt that Venom's "code of ethics" should be a little less strict, or a little more skewed. He shouldn't want to hurt anyone unless it hurts Spider-Man...and then he should enjoy it.

Carnage killed no one of any relevance to Peter's personal life, either, except for "Chip", his BARELY mentioned ESU buddy.

Shinlyle...I expect better from you.
as far as I've seen venom is the only villian to ever be able to scare the crap out of pete. (his 2nd appearance with the animal blood.)

It was his lethal protector days where they dropped the ball....they simply milked the character too much. a tradition they continue with other popular characters even til this very day.

 

[Dark Victory]

Wow I'm definitely getting this tomorrow. I've heard a lot of mixed things but if you guys say it's good I'm sure it is.