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Discussion in 'Spider-Man Sequels' started by Em Dee, Apr 22, 2014.
This thread's purpose is to discuss the upcoming Spider-Man spinoff "Venom"
Weren't there rumors of them
adding in a post credit scene for the US release featuring Flash Thompson at war or something?
As for Venom you actually can do the entire story in one movie but it requires some villains for Spidey to fight and for there to be a bit of build-up with Brock.
A Spider-Movie featuring Venom needs to be 3 hours long or split it in two movies he is a character who needs major development
I hope they go for the Ultimate origin. Also the film being a origin story would be fine.
I don't see how you can have an anti-hero movie without having Venom at least show up in the main movies. You can't make him an anti-hero before he debuts as a villain, can you?
Venom loses an essential part of his motivation without Parker for his origin (or when done incorrectly, as in SM3), so he does indeed need to be a part of the main franchise.
I would either go the Ultimate Venom-route or the classic 616 route. I don't want Flash as Venom.
I doubt many people do.
I never liked Ultimate Venom or what it lead to with like Ultimate Carnage. 616 Venom in the Ultimate Universe might be interesting.
I am a huge Venom fan and I may be over thinking this all but with all the Bugle stuff for the campaign for ASM2 on Brock and teasing Carnage I hope it means we are getting Brock Venom. I agree I think he has to be in one of the main films first, I was watching that sevenwebhead dudes new video today I know hes speculating like us. He was trying to quote from somewhere from one of the producers that we won't get Venom until his solo movie which I can see major problems if that is the case.
I take that with a grain of salt but if they were to skip having him as a villain or try to cram a story with him and Spidey and introduce Carnage in the same film this could get messy imo.
I am expecting them to introduce at the very least the symbiote in ASM3 giving Spidey the black suit to battle who ever his villains are be it S6 or a small combo of guys from S6 and then at the very least like some said get the creation of Venom as a tease at the end of the film for his solo movie.
Still though you want Venom as a villain before he goes anti-hero and if they do like they said and have Spidey having a smaller role in the S6 and Venom films then them teasing the idea of Carnage I dunno how it all works in one film if they don't do Venom as a villain in one of the ASM main films first. All of this is speculation of course nothings set in stone and the stories can change but if they did cram Venom/Spidey story and then you have to introduce Carnage in the same film. I think this film may leave a lot of the fans who want some Carnage action a little disappointed because you still got the Spidey side of the story to deal with and Carnage screen time could get cut down if that is the case.
It could feel rushed if they cram all this in one movie it does make me worry the direction there going with this. I mean it could work including if they take the black suit part of the story out of the equation by doing black suit/symbiote and belltower in ASM3 leaving more screen time for straight story in the Venom film for the Spidey revenge and Carnage story. Plus I know they don't have to stick to there Daily Bugle promotional stuff but if Cassidy is behind bars now you have to have Venom get captured for that to work so like I said you have to work through him & Spidey's ordeal first to even lead to Carnage.
I have said this before I want to see Venom ala TDK Joker play mind games with Spidey have a couple fights where he whips up on Spidey before he gets the better of Venom then the whole lock up scene with Cassidy which you would have to use one of the main films to pull off imo. I dunno there is a lot I want to see play out right to make me forget SM3, I could be alone here on that, maybe over thinking and over worrying about it but I really wanna see bad ass villain Venom before we get Anti-hero Venom vs Carnage or Spidey/Anti Hero Venom vs Carnage whatever they do.
This is my ideal scenario:
ASM3 - I'm not sure who will be the villain(s), but introducing both Brock and the symbiote needs to happen here. My suggestion would be Chameleon playing a minor role similar to Rhino. He starts committing crimes and posing as black-suit Spider-Man, causing New York to go into panic. Brock publishes an article for the Bugle claiming Spider-Man is dangerous to the public. Eventually Spider-Man exposes Chameleon and proves himself innocent which gets Brock fired from his job. A mid or post-credits scene shows Brock finding the symbiote.
ASM4 - This would be the movie that every fan of Venom has waited to see: Spider-Man vs. Venom with no other villains. I'd have it based on ASM #300 and 315-317. Brock charming May and stalking Peter would be cool scenes to finally see on the big screen. I'd love to see the movie end with the final fight between the two in ASM #317. Peter realizes that he can't defeat Venom and removes his own suit, tempting the symbiote to re-bond with him. Slowly the symbiote attempts to leave Brock, but having already bonded permanently together and the shock of separating kills them both.
As for the Venom spin-off, it could go into two completely different directions. The first one would be revealing that Brock has survived and is now in custody, along with his cell mate Cletus Kasady. The symbiote, alive as well, tracks Brock down and proceeds to re-bond with him. Venom breaks out of prison and leaves behind enough symbiote to bond with Kasady.
The other one would be Agent Venom with Flash Thompson. They need to use Venom as a villain in the main series first though.
Venom IS Brock. Having Flash or anyone else as Venom would ruin the film right off the bat.
I'm a lot less interested in a Flash movie than I'd be for a Brock film. And what's the point of that viral marketing? You know the article written by a certain "Eddie Brock" detailing Spidey taking down the Enforcers.
What's coming first Spider-Man 4 or Venom?
I guess Venom because they already hired a writer to work for that but I really don't know.
Right now its confusing, when will they release Sinister Six? 2017? Could they really release a TASM4 in 2018, while they are working on Venom/Sinister Six first.
This is just a gusse but I think TASM 3 will have the black suit he gets wrid of it to lead to the venom movie and then after that we get the sinister six movie and then TASM 4 but I really have no clue lol
I'd like to see Symbiote Spider-Man by ASM3, and I pray they have the white emblem on Spidey too and not only Venom.
THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN 3: Spidey fights the Sinister Six and loses. Then he gets the symbiote and wins but dumps it right after the final battle. Mid credits scene includes brock getting the symbiote.
VENOM: Brock fights some crime as an Anti-Hero but ultimately is defeated by Spidey and sent to Ravencroft in the same cell a Cletus Kasady.
THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN 4: Spidey deals with the Black Cat but a 3rd into the movie Venom breaks out of Ravencroft leaving the offspring of the symbiote in the cell with Kasady. He turns into Carnage and disapears. Spidey and Black Cat defeat Venom but then later in the film Carnage comes and Venom agrees to fight along Spidey to defeat Carnage.
Yep. Spidey fights the Sinister Six, loses. Then gets the suit, whoops their asses, and at the end of the film gets rid of it, and the film ends teasing Venom for ASM4.
I just don't get what the end game is here. I don't see how spin-offs for Venom and Sinister Six can work
Well, the symbiote needs to be introduced in TASM3, along with Eddie Brock, then at the end of the movie, Eddie becomes Venom, and in the spin off, we see Eddie trying to adapt to the symbiote, and we get to see Cletus Kasady aka Carnage, and, well, you know how will this is going to lead.
Yes. This. PLEEEEEAAASSEEE
With the S6 spinoff taking place before TASM3.
Personally, I feel like it would be better to not rush Brock and Peter having the black suit in one movie. In fact who's to say that the fourth movie has to be a solo Venom movie? It could still be ASM4. And if it is, I'd like Venom to be the villain in that. I want to see Brock built up and the symbiote getting the amount of screen time that would make it memorable, instead of shoving the Venom fight for the end.
Here's how I'd make it go down. ASM3, introduce Peter to the black suit. Have Gobby show up (along with a minor villain like Chameleon who Peter can rough up bad due to temptations from the suit, along with building up the Sinister Six) and taunt Peter from the sidelines. Peter resists the urge to kill him at the last moment (in which Norman accidentally commits suicide) and then gets rid of the black suit. All the while, Venom is built up with Brock appearing and being referenced throughout the movie, and he gets the suit in the after-credits.