Villains who should have never turned good

[The Question]

Seemed to me like Morrison did a good job of marrying Stan Lee's Magneto, who was a mustach twirling bigot. And Claremont's, who was a morally ambiguous cult leader. While Morrison was "extreme", his Magneto still believed in uplifting Mutants beyond their human oppressors.

True. But he didn't seem to have many redeeming qualities beyond that. Of course, ignoring all that Sublime/Two Xorns crap, one would assume that the reason for his going to genocidal extremes was our of grief and bitterness over the destruction of Genosha.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I'm gonna go with Venom.

 

[venom892]

Thing is after his first couple of fights with Spider-man Venom kind lost his purpose.David Micheline was really the only person who knew how to write Venom.The only Venom stories worth a damn after Micheline are Paul Jenkins Hunger Arc, a recent story in Spider-man Family #2 and the recent Brock story in Sensational Spider-man.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Morrison's use of him was far more interesting.

Raving psycho? (whatever Morrison was using him as a representative of, that's what he ultimately was; painfully one-dimensional, and devoid of everything that makes Magneto interesting).

Re: Sabretooth. He wasn't really an X-Man; he turned up at the Institute to cynically take advantage of their offer to protect all mutants, they shot him full of nanotech to leash him while he went on relevant missions, and he never really advanced beyond that; eventually, he betrayed them and left.

Juggernaut being a hero wasn't a particularly big leap, since he was really just a selfish thug, with no real ideology, so redeeming him is a fairly easy sell. He's pretty directionless, either way.

 

[PaleRider]

Re: Sabretooth. He wasn't really an X-Man; he turned up at the Institute to cynically take advantage of their offer to protect all mutants, they shot him full of nanotech to leash him while he went on relevant missions, and he never really advanced beyond that; eventually, he betrayed them and left.

wasn't he a member of X-Factor for awhile? I haven't read the issues but I have them.

 

[bullets]

yeah jugg sucked and sabretooth good is ridiculous

 

[Harlekin]

wasn't he a member of X-Factor for awhile? I haven't read the issues but I have them.

Under the auspices of the government. He brutally beat all of them up after his work was done though.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Sandman.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Sandman more as a good guy than a bad guy, myself.

 

[PhotoJones]

I liked Sandman more as a good guy than a bad guy, myself.

I don't think I've read anything with Sandman was a good guy. Actually, I don't think I've seen anything with Sandman as a good guy. I know that he was an Avenger at some point...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He was a member of Silver Sable's Wild Pack, too. I don't think he really did anything noteworthy on either team, but I did like the concept of the Sandman struggling to reform. I'm enjoying the concept with Constrictor in Avengers: The Initiative, as well.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I don't think I've read anything with Sandman was a good guy. Actually, I don't think I've seen anything with Sandman as a good guy. I know that he was an Avenger at some point...

He was awesome as part of Silver Sable's wild pack.

 

[PhotoJones]

He was a member of Silver Sable's Wild Pack, too. I don't think he really did anything noteworthy on either team, but I did like the concept of the Sandman struggling to reform. I'm enjoying the concept with Constrictor in Avengers: The Initiative, as well.

Constrictor and Bengal make a pretty good team. I'd like to see Slott explore that. Maybe a nice little friendship can develop between the two.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That'd be good.

Does anyone know what sort of past Bengal has with Rhodey? I Googled him, but all I came up with were mentions of Bengal appearing in a story with Rhodey, not what the story was actually about.

 

[PhotoJones]

That'd be good.

Does anyone know what sort of past Bengal has with Rhodey? I Googled him, but all I came up with were mentions of Bengal appearing in a story with Rhodey, not what the story was actually about.

I'm curious about that, too. I'm sure it's just another testament to Slott's nigh perfect ability to utilize continuity. I'd like to see him in Breevort's chair someday. Someday preferably tomorrow.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, that would be cool, but it'd take him out of the writing game. I'm pretty sure no one wants that.

 

[PhotoJones]

Heh, that would be cool, but it'd take him out of the writing game. I'm pretty sure no one wants that.

I dunno. Him writing two books, or him spreading his ideas and thoughts throughout the entirety of Marvel's publishing schedule? That's an easy one to answer for me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'll only be one book soon.

 

[venom892]

Why one?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's leaving She-Hulk. Unless he's picked up another title set to begin immediately after his run on She-Hulk is up, he'll just be writing Avengers: The Initiative, as far as I know.

 

[venom892]

Yea I knew that but then he picks up ASM for 3 issues at a time every other month.so isn't that two books.I thought for a moment you were going to tell me he was off Avengers:Initiative or ASM.Taht would make me

 

[3dman27]

Iron Man, or was that the other way round?

yes it was

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yea I knew that but then he picks up ASM for 3 issues at a time every other month.so isn't that two books.I thought for a moment you were going to tell me he was off Avengers:Initiative or ASM.Taht would make me

Oh yeah, I forgot about ASM. Never mind what I said.

 

[Dread]

That'd be good.

Does anyone know what sort of past Bengal has with Rhodey? I Googled him, but all I came up with were mentions of Bengal appearing in a story with Rhodey, not what the story was actually about.

I'm curious about that, too. I'm sure it's just another testament to Slott's nigh perfect ability to utilize continuity. I'd like to see him in Breevort's chair someday. Someday preferably tomorrow.

James Rhodes was one of the soldiers who destroyed Bengal's village during 'Nam upon being ordered to do so by Corporal Micheal Janes. The soldiers were paniced after Viet Cong attacks and would fire their weapons wildly, destroying the village and killing civilians. Nearly every 'Nam story in Marvel usually ended in soldiers committing atrocities. That would make Rhodes rather old today, so I am sure in the slide scale of Marvel time, that attack became "some war" rather than being dated in 'Nam, which ended in the 70's.

Bengal sought revenge on all responsible for that massacre. While for much of this history they led him to try to kill Janes, he also battled some of the other soldiers, like William Talltrees, who became the hero Red Wolf, or Willie Lincoln, who was defended by Daredevil. His quest for vengence against Janes soon intertwined with Night-Thrasher's history.

When in doubt, search the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/bengalddnw.htm

I don't mind Constrictor trying to go straight, as he was more of a merc, doing gigs for money, than an outright evil person. It wouldn't be so bad if he got another partner to work with who was not quite as unstable as Sabretooth. Granted, if he ever needs money, he helped save a lot of rich people in THE THING #2-3.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh, the Appendix link didn't come up when I Googled. Google has failed me.