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I'd say Rock has done something very unique by crossing over from WWE to Hollywood and I'm glad for it.

I disagree that he's on the level of Stallone or Arnold. He's had a couple big hits , but nothing as iconic as Rocky or The Terminator. I'd like for Rock to be the next big action star , but it seems like he's just now getting around to it. Before Fast Five is movie career was on a bit of a downslide. His was in good movies , but they were mostly cameos. I'm not saying he was a failure. Rock just wasn't where he should of been. Now it seems like he's getting back on track.

For the record I liked Welcome to the Jungle (Rundown), Walking Tall and even that one where he was the NFL player who found out he had a daughter. He was fun in Get Smart and solid in Fast 5 which was a cool action movie. I'll be seeing Snitch, Fast 6 and GI Joe 2 for sure, so not knocking him as regards his output, but he's nowhere near the two biggest action icons ever.
 
Freak is the right word, just like Steiner and H after they guzzled a gallon of roids and became overly heavy bodybuilder wannabes. All the mass up top is clearly hurting the once fast agility he possessed, as evidenced in the two mediocre matches he's had.

I don't defend 'roid use at all, but I'm giving Rock the benefit of the doubt. He's got great genetics (see his dad), money to have access to any kind of equipment/food/supplements he needs, and time to work out for hours each day. He was always huge and now he's taken it to the next level.

Plus, he carried Cena at WM last year. He may not quite have the amazing athleticism that he had at 25, but he can perform at a much higher level than most of his counterparts can/did at middle age.
 
I don't defend 'roid use at all, but I'm giving Rock the benefit of the doubt. He's got great genetics (see his dad), money to have access to any kind of equipment/food/supplements he needs, and time to work out for hours each day. He was always huge and now he's taken it to the next level.

Plus, he carried Cena at WM last year. He may not quite have the amazing athleticism that he had at 25, but he can perform at a much higher level than most of his counterparts can/did at middle age.

You can give him that benefit but I don't think he looks good regardless, to me a good physique is a guy like Orton or Del Rio, not bulges and veins all over your chest.

Totally disagree, they both stunk the joint out but Cena at least wasn't blown up after 4 minutes, there was certainly no carrying going on, Rock couldn't do that in his prime let alone now. From the 2 performances so far I'm yet to see any evidence of any great level of performance from him these days.
 
I'm emotional? With the kind of hate you and people like you pile on John Cena as if he's personally the guy thats ruined the WWE and is solely responsible or mostly responsible for its problems? Pot meet kettle.

A guy being there to wrestle once or twice a year DESPITE not putting in the hard work the carry the company the rest of the year is just as bad as Cena's overexposure only for different reasons. Any open minded unbiased person can see that. Cena IS there making WWE money day to day on the road busting his ass love him or hate him. You think what he does is EASY? You try it sometime. I'm not talking about the way he's booked but the work he does. Yes DAMN that John Cena for doing that make a wish work. We are all sick of seeing him do that. :o

Don't condescend to me by telling me to relaxe. If you are going to have this conversation fine but I hate people that do that as if they know whats better or how someone feels when they don't. That kind of talking down ones nose annoys me more than talk about Cena or Rock or whatever. I find that peope usually say crap like that to discredit what others are saying.

You're the one who went out of your way to ONLY dig up my old post and respond to what I said instead of coming in here to talk about something else. Obviously what I said bothered you so much that you had to respond. You couldn't wait to strike back and argue the opposiute of what I'm saying because you disagree with it so strongly and refuse to be fair on this issue. There's millions of other things to talk about instead of you trying to explain why Cena is worse or why he's the problem but for some reason you KEEP fixating on this first and foremost. And I'm the emotional one? You can't let your beef with him go to the point that it takes on most of what you talk about right now. Even though tons of other stuff has been discussing in the last few days that you have no interest in talking about even though a lot of it is very interesting and informative



If Cena beating Rock is a bad idea they never should have had the match in the first place. That was Vince's call to go ahead with it in the end. The final blame rests on him.

As for The backlash being worse last year...its going to be just as bad no matter when and no matter where. If the fans last year in Miami got pissed off? So what? Its not the end of the world. Most of em would either still watch WWE or keep on NOT watching when Rock wasn't around anyway. Any realist would no that.

I haven't been brainwashed to think anything. If anyone here is brainwashed its you. You buy into the BLIND part of the Cena hate just like the sheep out there who jump on that bandwagon because its cool adn easy to hate on the guy. Theres plenty to be sick about over John Cena and I am too. I'm tired of so much over how he's booked and over exposed. But I'm not going to blame him all the time for WWE's poor product or say he's the man man or cause behind all the problems. He's not. It takes a free mind to have your own OPEN MINDED views on things like that instead of just following the easy route like the rest of the conditioned aging attitude era marks. There's plenty of blame to go around over why the WWE is the way it is. But theres also plenty of credit to give for some of the good things that happen.

Me being "brainwashed" has nothing to do with it. I'm not. How is it RIGHT for Rock to get to come in as a part timer and go over the full time face of the company but Cena doesn't get to go over Rock? Thats not brainwashing thats called being fair to both. Look into it. If you didn't have your own biased brainwashed hatred of Cena you'd see that.

I'm sure a lot of it was planned...but the way the plan played out in the first place is the problem. If Cena hadn't lost to Rock in the first place they wouldn't have to do this whole rehashed mess.





And yet you blame CENA and not Triple H in that? When Triple H did more damage to Punk than Cena ever did? Like I said you see what you WANT to see not how it actually happened. You blame Cena for every thing because you have a personal grudge against the guy. thats the only thing that explains why you will pile more blame on HIM than you do on others that are just as guilty of all the mistakes being made like the BOSS in WWE that calls the shot.

Punk was elevated so they would have someone else in the main event to use for various things because they got to the poin where they'd almost exhausted their supply of legit top stars. Thats the simplest reason it was done. Be it drawing/making money or being used to work with other people. But it goes beyond JUST only being used with John Cena.



Again who's fault is that? VINCE MCMAHON's. Rock could have put Punk over once and STILL lost to Cena. Thats why what you are saying has no foundation. Rock still could have won the title at a later date. Cena being put over has nothing to do with when and how The Rock beat CM Punk or why he hasn't worked with more people. If Rock and WWE were so gung ho to have him work with other people they could MAKE THE TIME for him to do so. Free up more time in his schedule for the future. They've had years to do that. They have no interest in that. Don't start blaming Cena for Rock and WWE not caring enough to have him around more to work with others. Thats Rock and WWE's fault.




If Rock and Vince wanted to they could have Rock doing ALL that during Rocks returns. Thats not Cenas fault its Rock and Vince's. but you refuse to admit that.



You're the one who is hellbent on blaming Cena for most of WWE's ills not me. If its so tiring to you stop doing it or stop watching. If its so tiring why don't you talk about the 100 plus years of American pro wrestling instead of focusing on why you are sick of John Cena. Theres plenty to discuss BESIDES him.

And yes the writing DOES suck. it sucks all around most of the time. it sucks beyond just how and why Cena and Rock are used.
Lol. THIS is why I told you to relax. All this stuff about what you hate proves my point. You are getting too emotional. I'm being quite reasonable about this whole thing. You quoted & responded to me &I did the same. That's what's done on forums. You're making a big deal out of small ****. I feel spent after loooong ass posts like these & have to take breaks.

Just like the Rock I'm not here often enough to be in "ring shape". Sorry about that.

Not gonna type another long ass one. Too many good fights on tonight. You can go back to where I said "let's say it's the writing" and concentrate on it. It's the writer's fault.

I should talk about other stuff? Agreed. I'll talk about some other stuff now then.

I agree w/Bret 100% that HHH is overrated.

Good to see Jake the Snake getting in shape. DDP's awesome.

Didn't hate Cesaro/Blandy as much as I thought I would. Wish AC woulda won tho.

Miz face turn needs work
 
You can give him that benefit but I don't think he looks good regardless, to me a good physique is a guy like Orton or Del Rio, not bulges and veins all over your chest.

Totally disagree, they both stunk the joint out but Cena at least wasn't blown up after 4 minutes, there was certainly no carrying going on, Rock couldn't do that in his prime let alone now. From the 2 performances so far I'm yet to see any evidence of any great level of performance from him these days.

Del Rio is a regular-looking guy except for his height. Orton has great abs and thighs, but very little upper torso development. Neither has a great physique like Rock--not that I'm suggesting that is a requirement for a main eventer. I'd rather watch a talented stick man like Punk or a doughy guy like Samoa Joe than a clumsy adonis like the Ultimate Warrior. Just on pure aesthetics, Rock is truly amazing.

Rock was a little rusty at WM, but Cena was his usual lost, spot-blowing self. His fall down bearhug was the worst move I've seen in a WM main event since Boretista took Trips out of the corner, walked him to the middle of the rops, and hoped that Trips would do something to keep the match going.
 
Del Rio is a regular-looking guy except for his height. Orton has great abs and thighs, but very little upper torso development. Neither has a great physique like Rock--not that I'm suggesting that is a requirement for a main eventer. I'd rather watch a talented stick man like Punk or a doughy guy like Samoa Joe than a clumsy adonis like the Ultimate Warrior. Just on pure aesthetics, Rock is truly amazing.

Rock was a little rusty at WM, but Cena was his usual lost, spot-blowing self. His fall down bearhug was the worst move I've seen in a WM main event since Boretista took Trips out of the corner, walked him to the middle of the rops, and hoped that Trips would do something to keep the match going.

I guess we just disagree on what looking amazing or having a great physique is, to me he looks freakish and looked much better in 2002, obviously you have an appreciation for the commitment it takes to build up a body like that and like the end result, which is fair enough, I personally can respect the work ethic but I find the end results a bit grotesque.

Cena botches moves, but that to me has never been an issue when I rate a worker because flowing smoothly can also look so obviously choreographed as in a fight things wont always come off looking great. At the end of the day we have never agreed on Cena so lets just say they both sucked that night, as it's pretty accurate, I mean it was like they set the bar at "Lets be as good as the Mania 27 main event" and then barely achieved that. :D
 
Heyman is on Miz TV on Monday, this just furthered a nasty little feeling I had yesterday that Punk might end up working Miz w/Flair at Mania.
 
Rock has been rather mediocre since coming back. The match with Punk was better than the one with Cena, but it still didn't have anything special. I'm hoping his second match with Punk offers a bit more.I really dread Cena/Rock II. I feel it might be the most boring match on the card.
 
Heyman is on Miz TV on Monday, this just furthered a nasty little feeling I had yesterday that Punk might end up working Miz w/Flair at Mania.

Oh, YUCK. I hope that isn't the case. I have nothing against Miz, but that kind of program would be a step back to Punk right now. I don't know what he would do that would be fitting outside of the Streak vs. Respect or Triple Threat scenarios.

Rock has been rather mediocre since coming back. The match with Punk was better than the one with Cena, but it still didn't have anything special. I'm hoping his second match with Punk offers a bit more.I really dread Cena/Rock II. I feel it might be the most boring match on the card.

Hopefully, they are more familiar this time and that will translate into the type of unusual performance Cena had with Batista at WM. I thought that would suck, but it far exceeded my expectations.
 
For the record I liked Welcome to the Jungle (Rundown), Walking Tall and even that one where he was the NFL player who found out he had a daughter. He was fun in Get Smart and solid in Fast 5 which was a cool action movie. I'll be seeing Snitch, Fast 6 and GI Joe 2 for sure, so not knocking him as regards his output, but he's nowhere near the two biggest action icons ever.

Don't you mean three?

People tend to forget Bruce Willis when mentioning Sly and Arnold.
 
Oh, YUCK. I hope that isn't the case. I have nothing against Miz, but that kind of program would be a step back to Punk right now. I don't know what he would do that would be fitting outside of the Streak vs. Respect or Triple Threat scenarios.

I agree, Miz is a great mid-card heel and a lousy face, he's not a main eventer as either, so for Punk it would be a huge step down for a Mania match, I'd even settle for him working Sheamus or Ryback rather than Miz.

Don't you mean three?

People tend to forget Bruce Willis when mentioning Sly and Arnold.

I always think of Bruce has having a more diverse career but he was right up there for sure.
 
Not one mention of Steven Seagal. :(
 
Heyman is on Miz TV on Monday, this just furthered a nasty little feeling I had yesterday that Punk might end up working Miz w/Flair at Mania.

That would be awful, I hate to think of it but I imagine them using footage of Punk documentary bad mouthing Miz saying he shouldn't of been the main event of WM 27. I sure as hell hope that's not the case and Miz hosting his show is only something they're doing to extend time on other plans.
 
Punk/Miz also have horrible chemistry.Their Raw matches have been less than stellar.Punk deserves a lot better.
 
Not one mention of Steven Seagal. :(


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That would be awful, I hate to think of it but I imagine them using footage of Punk documentary bad mouthing Miz saying he shouldn't of been the main event of WM 27. I sure as hell hope that's not the case and Miz hosting his show is only something they're doing to extend time on other plans.

Hopefully it's just going to be Brock destroying Miz, although I am most interested in seeing if Punk addresses the fact Heyman had hired The Shield. A match with Punk wouldn't really help Miz anyway as he's barely over as a face as it is and can you imagine the NYC crowd getting behind him against Punk?
 
Nothing strange. I'm not the guy who made all these grand claims about what I know and what others don't then refused to explain myself in even the SLIGHTEST most simple way. You wn't even tell someone WHAT you do. If you are going too fall back on claiming your expertise and then refuse to talk about it when it suits you why even bring it up at all? If it was so easy to discover the things what you say online why not leave out how know whats right as some kind of expert?

An expert...who doesn't want to show WHY he's an expert? WTF? Like I said...you say what I'M looking for is easy to find online? What you want is even easier. You just have to click through a few pages if you are so interested. You got no right to make demands of someone when you blow off people asking for proof from you after YOU were the one to bring issues like that into it in the first place. Double standard much? How am I obsessed when YOU brought up what you do for a living making you right? I didn't bring that up. You did. Nobody forced you. You volunteered that. Thats not acting like a teenager thats acting like someone that isn't going to be a sucker for whatever some random person online says and believing anything someone tells me like I'm some naive idiot.

some pages have lapsed so I dont wish to trudge it up but this is the strangest attack ive witnessed on this forum ever... Ive gone back and shown how the convo started and you denied it was the beginning but offered up no evidence of the made up conversation you seem to think came before it, I even showed you how I was the first to mention WWE's own site as you had claimed that you had done so, the proof is in all the posts, and I cant tell if you're now just lying to try and save face or legit believe it yourself

I've explained why I don't wish to post "exactly" where I work, I also didn't make any grand claims, only that partners of youtube get revenue to any copyrighted material they own regardless of who upoloaded it, I have then said how that info is in the public domain, for some reason you have been desperate to discredit my comments and tried to twist what I said time and time again by adding in other file sharing sites (no matter how many times I agreed that was a problem but it wasn't what i was talking about) the past of youtube (again something that was a problem that changed and wasnt what I was talking about as I only ever mentioned the present state) and most bizarelly the Rock (who it was never about at all) you then resorted to a "prove who you are or everything you say is a lie" mentality I find what the conversation descended to quite strange especially since I was trying to start up a conversation with people other than you about how WWE currently monetizes it's digital content, which is a shame as people tend not to want to talk about stuff once someone has jumped in and brought it to a mud slinging match
 
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Heyman is on Miz TV on Monday, this just furthered a nasty little feeling I had yesterday that Punk might end up working Miz w/Flair at Mania.

I think Miz v Punk could be AWESOME (sorry for the pun) but seriously, Austin was saying how guys need to learn to go with the flow, I imagine punks the best guy to learn that from right now, and I actually really enjoy The Miz on the mic and think he and Punk could have some great buildup
 
For the record I liked Welcome to the Jungle (Rundown), Walking Tall and even that one where he was the NFL player who found out he had a daughter. He was fun in Get Smart and solid in Fast 5 which was a cool action movie. I'll be seeing Snitch, Fast 6 and GI Joe 2 for sure, so not knocking him as regards his output, but he's nowhere near the two biggest action icons ever.

I think he is as close as you can get in the modern day and age though, action films just don't have the cultural impact they did in the 80s.... whether he would have been successful in the 80's is another matter entirely

and I always preferred Sly to Arnie, the guy wrote the script for a film that won best picture, the other had some sort of huge debt to Danny DeVito
 
Heyman is on Miz TV on Monday, this just furthered a nasty little feeling I had yesterday that Punk might end up working Miz w/Flair at Mania.

Ah I'd doubt it, probably just a means to an end.
 
I've only recently discovered the joy of Cornette's shoots. He comes out with some real gems, especially on HBK finding god and his thoughts on Sunny, both the person and the worker. :oldrazz:
 
does anyone know if theres a reason Rey Mysterio wears tshirts when wrestling now?
 
I was watching some old WCW tapes and noticed an inventive fan. It was '94 and WCW had strict rules about showing anything anti-Hogan on TV. A camera zoomed in on a sign which read "TBS". As soon as the camera got close enough, the guy reveals his entire sign, which reads: Terry Bollea Sucks. The camera spins away.

:lmao::lmao:
 
does anyone know if theres a reason Rey Mysterio wears tshirts when wrestling now?

When he started wearing it I assumed it was to cover up some muscle loss he might of suffered. Though at the Rumble he had a tank top on so maybe he's gained some of it back. Or he just decided to slightly change his image up, just my speculation.
 
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