This is incorrect. He's always been "non-superhuman" in comics. During the classic era when he could damage Spider-man, he was *not* portrayed as peak human. He was portrayed as "Are we sure this guy isn't superhuman? Really?" The guy slammed open a vault door that Matt could just barely move at the expense of nearly incapacitating himself, and he did so with the casualness of opening a screen door.
Or bluntly, no, Kingpin is not evidence that "you don't need superhuman strength to hurt Spider-man". Kingpin is evidence that you *do* need superhuman strength to meaningfully hurt Kingpin.
( Sadly, this era is long gone, and Fisk is basically for crap these days and has been for years. . . )
the was like the 60's through 70's and thor thread the same way with ever y on else to juggernaut taking him down these days too since . but certain marvel writers and some fans still push him as one the few people take the hulk and any past 100 tons still. even though there are alot that say thor is for crap him self too. it's writer point view thing and it what your into thing as well.
also the other problem here is the comic version according to the writers peak human is different from what other's here think of peak human . they push batman and Dare devil and some certain heroes that don't have enhanced (lower then super) or super strength above those of do Olympic sport or what was used to be strong men that used to do heave weights or of you seen the guineas book of record shows when they ever aired them on tv those guys that used pull trucks and set record for human strength with that.
shown in the books with batman and Dare devil who represent peak level strength.
bat man who is said to be at
Peak Human Strength[FONT="]: Batman regularly bench-presses at least 1000 lbs. during his exercise routine.[/FONT]
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_(Bruce_Wayne)#cite_note-B655S-293[FONT="] This means he's capable of amazing feats such as punching a SWAT officer through a brick wall[/FONT]
Also
Peak Human Conditioning
Due to his intense training and diet Batman has accomplished feats that normal human beings might call superhuman. Batman is in peak physical and mental condition. Batman has displayed surprising strength, and is able to bench press weight of at least 1000 pounds, and has personally stated that his maximum leg press weight is 2500 lbs (over 1.133 Kg). However, as shown in Batman Odyssey # 2, Batman was able to overcome his personal record leg press, moving, with the strength of the legs, a stuck railroad car. In Gotham After Midnight # 2, Batman was able to hold up two golden sarcophagi with the approximate weight of at least 1 ton, for at least one minute. In addition,
with king pin. hmm now if Remember right when DD worn the black armor suit he him was able to
Dare devil who's said to be at
Peak Human Strength:[FONT="] Thanks to his control over his central nervous system due to his many years of martial arts training, Matt can increase his strength to peak human level. He is strong enough to tip over a limo without straining, causally pick a man up and throw him, easily break a man's leg and rupture skin with a single kick, and lift Foggy's weights up easily with one hand . He has also shown the strength to use a mailbox as a weapon and hurt Hyde with his blows (Hyde is capable of easily lifting vans), and throw his baton with enough force to break concrete.
[/FONT][FONT="]A side effect of his sense of touch is Murdock's ability to manipulate his muscles and internal organs. The sense of touch is not just external, but internal too (central nervous system), thereby giving him the ability to have total body control, increasing his strength and reflexes to peak human levels, increasing his agility to enhanced human levels, and also giving him the ability to numb himself to pain[/FONT]
There's really no getting around Kingpin fighting Spidey in their current iterations. Yes, he has been shown to be able to fight Spider-man in the comics (though honestly, that was a bit silly, given how easily Spider-man should be able to best him).
But the fact is, this Kingpin is shown to be nothing more than a VERY strong normal human. Again, we saw him benching around 500lbs what looked like 2 or 3 times. That's incredibly impressive. However, MCU Spider-man caught a 3000lb car going 40 miles an hour.
Exactly. There's no way for them to sell Spider-Man versus Kingpin in the MCU. Neither of their feats support a back and forth battle, it'd be a massacre and Kingpin would be the victim.
Aside from the fact that it's nowhere near an even match, I just can't think of one good reason to have them face off anyway. They're operating on different playing fields, it should (and will) stay that way.
ok so I'm finally back from work now you I'm gonna say I respect both your thoughts. but fallow me here , I did say there are other factors at play and to be considered . the problem here is I think this is still reading of to you to as "mono el mono boxing match" some how which is weird on my end.
Again this is a fight which mean dirty street fight rules to fist who's a boss to the Don's and god fathers of the Mobwoprld and super villain comunity. will have his people to wear down spider after spider man. Who has taken out most of his business and he's taken notice of peter parker in spider form after what's went down with DD.
when spider man is able use his web shooters of all things . I said while this is fight and king pin and spider man would both need to use their head. cause it's not a boxing match .
if spider man has web shooters. the king pin will use every thing at his disposal which means this thug's, his hench men, his assasin's and Don's and god fathers . which also mean people like bulls eye and women on par with electra like bloody mary or lady bulleye who was the original Ronin before hawk took the Identity .
also I said weapons . king pin has his kane after his personal body guard of assassins are taken down peter as spider man will likely look like what happened to him when the goblin beat him up in sam Rami's spider man moviem where he was beat up and up by those bat wing blade the goblin threw at him. Also the king pin's kane has gas's who said the king pin has to do an up front fight like in boxing match ? seriously who?
the man fallows the rule of the Crime world, not any sort of boxing match like captain america or bucky did facing iron man in a face off .
they won't do a face to face. the king pin will have his men try to tire spiderman out and when he has to step in he will not only use his peak human strength and martial arts he will use his gas weapon. in his kane and knock out spiderman .
Weapons
[FONT="]The Kingpin sometimes carries a walking stick which contains a concealed laser beam weapon that fires a short pulse of 300 watts, enough energy to vaporize a handgun. The walking stick can also be used to fire a concentrated spray of sleeping gas. The Kingpin's diamond stickpin also contains a small, highly compressed container of sleeping gas which is effective when fired directly into an opponent's face at close range. The Kingpin uses the stickpin gas as a last resort.[/FONT]
he doesn't have to really go absolutely toe to toe in a prolonged fight. as said this is
- Peak Human Strength: Fisk is composed almost entirely of muscle that has been developed to enormous size, much like a sumo wrestler, and he possesses peak human strength with only the bare minimum actually being fat. His vast bulk shields him from many forms of injury, either providing padding or causing penetration wounds to only strike him relatively superficially.[23]
- Master Martial Artist : Fisk has extraordinary skill in hand-to-hand combat, specializing in a number of martial arts, including sumo wrestling, judo, and hapkido. His fighting skills and unusual agility for a man of his size compensate for a great difference between his human level of strength and that of Spider-Man when the two engage in unarmed combat (Spider-Man also has severe inhibitions about using his strength against an opponent without superhuman powers for fear of killing him or her.) [23] The Kingpin was also capable of defeating 8 men from the finest martial arts schools in 17 seconds.[2]
- Criminal Genius: Fisk is a criminal genius and a highly skilled planner and organizer. He employs numerous henchmen, scientists, and even superhumans, almost all of whom are fiercely loyal to him due to dedication, fear, or both.[23]
this is a fight in a street fight to fist. there aren't rules like a boxing match he will use his gas kane and leave /escape the scene of the crime.
And also if spider,an takenout most of the hired help and fisk has enough money to hire super villains to be his hired help or create them too that how he got beetle and more .
List of Kingpin's Henchmen
