Infinity War War Machine/Rhodey... Like or Don't Like?

[Panacea]

If Tony shows up there already raring to kill Bucky because of Rhodey then there's no need for Zemo's video presentation, which he literally had a whole subplot about trying to set up.

Nobody said anything about him already being raring to kill Bucky. A more fragile mental state however makes his later actions make more sense.

Yes it does. They're there because of Cap and Bucky going on the run. The situation escalated to that point because he refused to stand down and abide by the Accords by not interfering. If Rhodey dies in pursuit of Cap and Bucky Tony is gonna blame them and it makes them look less sympathetic.

To who? The audience? I completely disagree. I don't think people are that stupid.

 

[MbJ]

His belief in Bucky is entirely dependent on his faith in Rogers. When Tony found out Rogers was lying about something so important as his parents' death, that would completely shatter his trust in Rogers, and subsequently his story about Bucky. I mean, Tony already knows Rogers will hide extremely important information to protect Bucky so how does he really know Rogers is telling the truth about the mind control?

Tony's parents already died. Adding a third body to the pile does little to change the final confrontation.

Bingo.

 

[The_Manhunter]

it's not as if some of us have not hoped for this. I believe a man named Dr. King was asking for this 60 years.

Personally I'm glad to see MCU being very diverse. Especially as they are selling them worldwide. It's not the 40's anymore.

Thumbs up mate

 

[Capsfan]

I'm not sure it's "lying". Cap didn't lie, he just withheld the truth.

 

[KevTravels]

I just hope for some more connection for the plot in IW. Or he dealing with his injury and its effect on being an Avenger. Wanna see Cheadle get some meaty material to work with.

I enjoyed him far more in CW than in the previous films.

 

[KevTravels]

any confirmations that he will be in Infinity War or the sequel?

 

[Chance Jackson]

Rhodey is a great character who deserves to be given more prominence on the team. In the comics, he has been an Avenger for decades, so there is little justification for treating him like some sort of second-rate hero in the MCU. I am glad that Marvel didn't fall into the "can't have more than one Black character at a time" or "kill the Black guy" tropes (see Agents of SHIELD for how those work). Considering how many fans on this forum were rooting for either Rhodey or Sam to be killed off in AOU or CW, I'm quite happy that Feige and co. haven't been that regressive.

my thoughts exactly

 

[KevTravels]

my thoughts exactly

I think the only reason they'd figure to kill him off is just because they haven't exactly made room for his character to develop much further.

Though killing him off wouldn't have been enough of an emotional hit like say killing BW might have.

 

[ctsketch]

I'm not sure it's "lying". Cap didn't lie, he just withheld the truth.

that's the anthem of liars everywhere

 

[Iceman]

I've loved every appearance of War Machine in the MCU. Even when he's had very little to do he's made me enjoy the films more every time he's been on screen.

 

[KevTravels]

I've loved every appearance of War Machine in the MCU. Even when he's had very little to do he's made me enjoy the films more every time he's been on screen.

I'd be curious if you could elaborate more.

I'm more of a Cheadle fan and by Civil War I sorta warmed to the character. Were you a fan of WM from the comics?

I kinda wish they just gave him more to do.

 

[Iceman]

I'd be curious if you could elaborate more.

I'm more of a Cheadle fan and by Civil War I sorta warmed to the character. Were you a fan of WM from the comics?

I kinda wish they just gave him more to do.

I'm a big Avengers fan, and War Machine is as important as the others to me. Even if we only got cameos like we have gotten so far I'd be glad that we were getting those, and every single time he has made a cameo so far has improved my enjoyment of that film. Even in AoU where he was onscreen for what felt like seconds, I enjoyed and still clearly remember that part. Of course if they give him more to do then that would be much better but I am happy that he is at least hanging around continually improving things (in my eyes). With Don Cheadle in the role there's no real limit on what they can ask of him in future films if they choose to as we know he's capable of delivering.

 

[Dark Raven]

It might have def changed the tone of the film. Stark would have gone for pure vengeance.

They really have to give him more to work with.

Is he anything like the comic book character? I kinda feel they must be downplaying him I suppose so they just focus on Iron Man and DOwney's likeability.

He's not really like the comic book character at all. In the comics, Stark was the more serious one and the straight man, and Rhodey was the more laid back, wisecracking one. In the comics, when Rhodey became Iron Man and then there was talk of Stark taking the mantle again, some fans weren't so keen, because they liked Iron Man now being more relaxed and making more jokes, even though it meant that he wasn't a technical genius. They preferred that Stark was just the genius behind his bodyguard, who was someone separate to him.

Since they cast RDJ as Stark, he is now the more laid back, smart ass one while Rhodey is now the straight man. They've kind of switched the personalities a bit with the movies.

 

[kaijunexus]

The problem with Rhodey is that he's not his own character. He's a part of Tony Stark's character.

We know nothing about Rhodey's past, his interests, his faults, his psychological nuances, or any of his relationships outside of his friendship with Tony. In the 5 movies he's appeared in, he has been written as nothing but a straight-man army guy who impacts Tony's emotional state or perspective depending on the situation. He's a literary tool.

And it makes me sad.

I was happy to see that they are making to attempts to do something with the character in Civil War, what with the major injury and all. But that's still not enough. Even Happy Hogan has more character development at this point. I want to see what makes Rhodes tick. Why is he so beholden to the military, government, and regulations? Why is he even friends with Tony in the first place? Is he annoyed that he has to play second-fiddle to a reckless genius who's the cause of the half the problems he solves? What about his love life? His family? Does he carry any regrets with him? Why is he even War Machine in the first place? Why does he feel the need to be a superhero at all?

So many questions. Without answers, he's just an empty shell spouting dialogue for the sole purpose of driving other characters.

Here's hoping for a down and dirty, gritty War Machine movie!

 

[Retroman]

When Terrence Howard was playing the role they were thinking of doing a War Machine spin-off. I doubt it will happen now.

 

[KevTravels]

When Terrence Howard was playing the role they were thinking of doing a War Machine spin-off. I doubt it will happen now.

Is it just cause Cheadle seems too old or lack of charisma?

 

[Confusion]

He never bothered me until the part in Civil War where they are all sitting around the table watching the news clips of each major event they were a part of & the destruction that was caused.

The New York City destruction was being shown & he turned around to BW & Cap and gave them a look of judgemental disgust. It came off as him being a judgemental asshat. Like he couldn't believe what he was watching & how dare they cause that much damage trying to save the world from aliens.

Not a single one of the people in that room should be giving any other person any kind of judgemental look at all.

I know it's a small thing, but it really jumped out at me & made me look at him differently to the point of I was indifferent to his accident & weather he recovered or not.

 

[Panacea]

He never bothered me until the part in Civil War where they are all sitting around the table watching the news clips of each major event they were a part of & the destruction that was caused.

The New York City destruction was being shown & he turned around to BW & Cap and gave them a look of judgemental disgust. It came off as him being a judgemental asshat. Like he couldn't believe what he was watching & how dare they cause that much damage trying to save the world from aliens.

Not a single one of the people in that room should be giving any other person any kind of judgemental look at all.

A very odd interpretation of the scene in my opinion. He didn't look judgemental at all to me.

 

[Confusion]

A very odd interpretation of the scene in my opinion. He didn't look judgemental at all to me.

Really? Huh. At 1st I thought I misinterpreted what I thought I saw. But I have watched that movie at least 30+ times(My kid makes fun of me because I always watch it lol) & am sure of it.

Edit: As with anything I post, this is all just my opinion.

 

[KevTravels]

WM did seem the most zealous one among the Avengers in pushing the accords. Im not sure if the writers went over the top. Or maybe it was nice that he seemed to have an actual role in the film rather than being Stark's wet blanket.

 

[Bren]

I didn't like the look he gave there but it wasn't too big a deal for me.
And whether I agree with the accords or not, I don't think he was over the top.
I like Cheadle as Rhodey, got a great sense of humour as well.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

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Just so people can see exactly what's being discussed.

For myself... I think describing it as "disgust" is pretty extreme. I think he's just showing a sanguine grappling with the fact that while the team has a proper place the truth is there are consequences to their actions. I think it's telling that the footage shows the Hulk, a thorn in the side of the military (which is dear to Rhodey's heart as an officer) and a super powered being known for large scale destruction.

 

[Confusion]

Thanks for posting the scene It's a lot easier to explain something after looking at it than from memory.

I still think it came off as judgemental & unnecessary.
And it's just that one second of judgy McJudge face that I am talking about since this is a Like him or hate him thread about War Machine.
That that was the moment I realized that I'm not liking him anymore.

I always knew he would be 100% for The Accords. He's a life time Military man that of course would be for the Government. I wasn't expecting any less from him on that aspect.

 

[jaqua99]

I'm not sure it's "lying". Cap didn't lie, he just withheld the truth.

Did you know "I didn't know it was him"

Don't ******** me Rogers, did you know "yes".

That's lying. It's being totally neurotic, but it IS a lie.

Also, this was the most mature movie the MCU made. It got pretty dark, so I am glad IW is in the Russo's hands

 

[Capsfan]

Did you know "I didn't know it was him"

Don't ******** me Rogers, did you know "yes".

That's lying. It's being totally neurotic, but it IS a lie.

Well, this is a vague dialog. Stark didn't specified his question at first. So, maybe Steve didn't know it was Bucky, but knew it was HYDRA and that parents were killed, not died in a car accident.
In that case he technically didn't lie.