Warren Ellis leaving Thunderbolts

[Themanofbat]

And if he doesn't want to, that's a display of character? Please. The man clearly has more integrity than you'll ever have.

Don't pretend that you know me...

Just because I don't like one of your obvious "favorite" comic book creator's inability to work with continuity doesn't mean make my opinion any less valid than yours nor anyone else's...

 

[GNR]

Well that sucks,I'd rather have Ellis on this instead of AXM.

Oh well,it was a good run and I look forward to it's conclusion.

 

[Egotastic]

Don't pretend that you know me...

Just because I don't like one of your obvious "favorite" comic book creator's inability to work with continuity doesn't mean make my opinion any less valid than yours nor anyone else's...

The only thing I that I know about you is that when you dislike someone's art, you take it out on the actual person, calling their character into question. The fact that you apparently cannot separate a man from his works is incredibly ignorant and childish.

And as long as we're not "pretending to know each other," you can stop calling Ellis my favorite writer. He's far from it.

 

[Blader5489]

Well, I thought his Thunderbolts was good?

I loved it.

I fear no other writer will even come close to the level of grittiness that Ellis brought to this book.

 

[Themanofbat]

The only thing I that I know about you is that when you dislike someone's art, you take it out on the actual person, calling their character into question. The fact that you apparently cannot separate a man from his works is incredibly ignorant and childish.

Did you even read my second post... I called Ellis a creative genius when it comes to his own creations... I'd hardly consider that "disliking someone's art"...



I just wish that when he worked on somebody else's creations, he'd be more considerate of that characters past, and make it work into his story, as opposed to simply telling the story he'd like to tell.

And I've read interviews with Ellis, as I have with a lot of creators, and in MY opinion, he comes off as a tad arrogant... but I still enjoy his work with his stuff.

So I guess you don't really know me at all...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I just wish that when he worked on somebody else's creations, he'd be more considerate of that characters past, and make it work into his story, as opposed to simply telling the story he'd like to tell.

I havent read LOTS of his stuff, but he was pretty respectful of what went on in T-Bolts and the then current Marvel Universe when he began his run there...

 

[xisaacx]

Did you even read my second post... I called Ellis a creative genius when it comes to his own creations... I'd hardly consider that "disliking someone's art"...



I just wish that when he worked on somebody else's creations, he'd be more considerate of that characters past, and make it work into his story, as opposed to simply telling the story he'd like to tell.

And I've read interviews with Ellis, as I have with a lot of creators, and in MY opinion, he comes off as a tad arrogant... but I still enjoy his work with his stuff.

So I guess you don't really know me at all...

Can you explain whose creations he wasnt considerate of? If your talking about anyone on the thunderbolts series, um they basically gave him the in to write a team book and change what he wants. If marvel had a problem with the way he "treated" peoples characters would they still give him work?

I would really like to know which characters he wasnt considerate of.

 

[Eros]

To bad I only started enjoying the book when he came own. IMO ellis did the best version of the thunderbolts, villians who try or are forced to be "Heroes" but choas arises with thier own dark pasts and mental problems begin to consume them.

 

[gildea]

Don't pretend that you know me...

Aren't you doing that with ellis though when you question his integrity?

And you're confusion "inability" with "creative decision".


Not bashin' just sayin'

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I loved it.

I fear no other writer will even come close to the level of grittiness that Ellis brought to this book.

His Osborn characterization was spot-on. The whole Goblin-reemergence subplot is the very model of how you write slow-burning side stories. It's a great book.

 

[Egotastic]

Did you even read my second post... I called Ellis a creative genius when it comes to his own creations... I'd hardly consider that "disliking someone's art"...

Um...You were basing your comments about his character on your negative opinions of his Thunderbolts run. Now, I'm no rocket scientist, but that's called DISLIKING SOMEONE'S ART.

I just wish that when he worked on somebody else's creations, he'd be more considerate of that characters past, and make it work into his story, as opposed to simply telling the story he'd like to tell.

So...Isn't that DISLIKING HIS ART???

And I've read interviews with Ellis, as I have with a lot of creators, and in MY opinion, he comes off as a tad arrogant... but I still enjoy his work with his stuff.

So I guess you don't really know me at all...

If you need me to repeat it again, I will: What I know about you is that you do not have the ability to separate one's art from one's person. Regardless of whether or not you think Ellis is "a tad arrogant," you stated that you did not like the way the told his stories SOME OF THE TIME and in your eyes, that's a reflection of his "lack of integrity."

Now, if you can't see how ridiculous, insulting and childish that is, that's no one's problem but your own. And from the looks at some of the other comments left in here, it doesn't seem like this is a hard concept to grasp.

 

[Themanofbat]

Ok, you win... I'm an idiot...

I even have my own "official I'm an idiot" thread...

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=27220&page=22

Feel free to drop in a post or two...

 

[Egotastic]

Ok, you win... I'm an idiot...

Yay! t:t:t:t:t:t:

 

[RockSP]

I liked his run for the most part but I'm not torn up over him leaving or anything. If the new writer sucks I'll drop it of course, but I'm not gonna stop reading just cuz Ellis is leaving.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

I thought he just re-purposed the book to fit what he wanted to write, destroying the characterization of Songbird, Radioactive Man, and Swordsman all in one fell swoop. The book was about redemption, but now it's just about mindless psycho's barely suppressing homicidal tendencies.

 

[RockSP]

^^I guess I can agree about Swordsman...but then again they are all being manipulated by that group of telepathic psychos.

 

[CaptainCanada]

I thought he just re-purposed the book to fit what he wanted to write, destroying the characterization of Songbird, Radioactive Man, and Swordsman all in one fell swoop. The book was about redemption, but now it's just about mindless psycho's barely suppressing homicidal tendencies.

The premise wasn't his idea; anyway, Songbird and RM are played as the only well-intentioned people in the entire outfit. Everybody else is more or less in form too, as psychopaths and narcissists.

 

[Anubis]

I always thought it was suspect that Swordsman wasn't a *****e during Fabian's run on the book. If anything, Ellis got him right.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Hmm, I don't know what to think on this. I'm sad to see him go as this was the first time I liked Thunderbolts. It's one of my favorate books now. But I also buy way too many comics and have been looking for titles to drop (which isn't easy). This will definately give me insentive to drop the title and not miss it. If he pretty much destroys the team in his leaving then that'd be a conclusion and I wouldn't have to worry about continuing, but if the next writer picks up where he leaves off then I'll still have to consider continuing on it.

And for the record, I like Ellis' Thunderbolts, but for the most part I don't like his stuff. His Planetary was alright, but his X-Universe stuff a while ago was horrid.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I always thought it was suspect that Swordsman wasn't a *****e during Fabian's run on the book. If anything, Ellis got him right.

Agreed.



I personally like the book some of the charaterizations are pretty off, paticularly venom/gargan IMO, but with the idea that they're being played by all those telepaths gives a pretty good reason for this, depending on how long they've been messing around.

I really like how Norman, Moonstone and bullseye are portrayed though. That seems spot on, except I doubt Moonstone could get away with messing with Norman-I'm-a-chemical-genius Osborn's prescription.

Still all and all I enjoy the book when it comes out. The old redemption stories were good, but other than a few key issues here or there I was never really too drawn to the stories (although they made zemo pretty cool and bad@ss).

 

[Blader5489]

I thought he just re-purposed the book to fit what he wanted to write, destroying the characterization of Songbird, Radioactive Man, and Swordsman all in one fell swoop. The book was about redemption, but now it's just about mindless psycho's barely suppressing homicidal tendencies.

You obviously haven't been reading. Songbird and Radioactive Man are still very much "the good guys" of the team, and Swordsman's recent behavior is due to being manipulated by a group of psychics.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

This sux, really enjoyed the book under his pen.

 

[Harlekin]

I always thought it was suspect that Swordsman wasn't a *****e during Fabian's run on the book. If anything, Ellis got him right.

Swordsman wasn't a *****e? Did you read the book?

 

[Anubis]

Did you read the book? He wasn't a *****e. He had a sullen heroic thing going on cuz he was walking around with a sword wrapped in his dead sister's skin. Dead sib or not, if a guy is a *****e, he's gonna be a *****e regardless. Possibly even more of a *****e.

 

[kainedamo]

In fact, he probably couldn't get a handle with the new Norman/Peter Parker relationship, and probably decided (in a very baby tantrum like way) to stop writing the book...

What new relationship?

In order to have a relationship, you have to have something prior built up.