Was Black Panther an Origin movie?

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
Got into a discussion on another board in which the person stated that Black Panther was NOT an origin movie. As someone who owns the complete BP comic collection, I disagreed with that. Other than the fact that the Fantastic Four were not in the movie, I say that Coogler and co. covered all that makes up the origin of the Black Panther.

Your thoughts?

Long Live the King of Wakanda

 

[Zarex]

The film sharply covered all the aspects involved in being the Black Panther in T'Challa's - and later, Killmonger's - rise to power. But he'd been Black Panther for quite some time prior to the events of the movie and we didn't see his training for the role nor the events which caused him to succeed his father as Wakanda's defender. In that respect Black Panther is more like Batman 89 than an origin flick like Begins.

 

[KevTravels]

It was the best type of origin film. We never got to see a young T'Challa asking moronic kid things. t:t:t:

 

[Chance Jackson]

Yes I would count it as an Origin Movie, he was not truly King until the Ceremony in his own movie and we see how one becomes the Black Panther

 

[Boy Scout]

I don’t really see it as an origin movie, no.

 

[Pink Ranger]

It was the best type of origin film. We never got to see a young T'Challa asking moronic kid things. t:t:t:

That's my major gripe about this movie: no training montage featuring 13-year-old T'Challa gradually improving his fighting abilities to the tune of Shake It Off by Taylor Swift.

 

[Donald Thomas]

I don’t really see it as an origin movie, no.

Aloha,
What part of his becoming The Black Panther did you not feel covered his origin?

Long Live the King of Wakanda

 

[Donald Thomas]

That's my major gripe about this movie: no training montage featuring 13-year-old T'Challa gradually improving his fighting abilities to the tune of Shake It Off by Taylor Swift.

Aloha,
I know you're kidding but let's just look at things for a minute. Did we ever see a young Tony Stark or Thor training or how Thor got to be with the Warriors Three? I guess the best question to ask is "what constitutes a super hero Origin movie? I'm asking this because other than Marvel having to explain how T'Challa had BP powers both in Civil War and in Black Panther BEFORE his ceremonial challenge-this was an Origin movie based upon what the comics have presented as the Origin of The Black Panther.

Long Live the King of Wakanda

 

[Havok83]

Yes. It wasnt a film about how he became the BP but it definitely covered the origins of the mantle and the core aspects of Wakanda which are significant to it.

BTW, this thread needed a poll

 

[daddydivine]

Yeah I think it was an origin movie. Thankfully done in a way that avoided some common tropes.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Yes. It wasnt a film about how he became the BP but it definitely covered the origins of the mantle and the core aspects of Wakanda which are significant to it.

BTW, this thread needed a poll

Aloha,
Agreed.

Here's my point, If you are familiar with the Black Panther as presented in the comics then what part of this movie left out any part of his origin minus of course the Fantastic Four?

Long Live the King of Wakanda

 

[InCali]

Aloha,
I know you're kidding but let's just look at things for a minute. Did we ever see a young Tony Stark or Thor training or how Thor got to be with the Warriors Three? I guess the best question to ask is "what constitutes a super hero Origin movie? I'm asking this because other than Marvel having to explain how T'Challa had BP powers both in Civil War and in Black Panther BEFORE his ceremonial challenge-this was an Origin movie based upon what the comics have presented as the Origin of The Black Panther.

Long Live the King of Wakanda

Not an origin movie IMO. IM was an origin movie. Thor was not, but more of one than BP. Remember little Thor saying "I'd slug him in the jaw and kick him in the cojones"?

 

[InCali]

Aloha,
I know you're kidding but let's just look at things for a minute. Did we ever see a young Tony Stark or Thor training or how Thor got to be with the Warriors Three? I guess the best question to ask is "what constitutes a super hero Origin movie? I'm asking this because other than Marvel having to explain how T'Challa had BP powers both in Civil War and in Black Panther BEFORE his ceremonial challenge-this was an Origin movie based upon what the comics have presented as the Origin of The Black Panther.

Long Live the King of Wakanda

Pink doesn't joke. He lost his sense of humor when he visited the US side of Niagara Falls.

 

[writer0327]

How is it NOT an origin story???

 

[Zarex]

Aloha,
I know you're kidding but let's just look at things for a minute. Did we ever see a young Tony Stark or Thor training or how Thor got to be with the Warriors Three? I guess the best question to ask is "what constitutes a super hero Origin movie? I'm asking this because other than Marvel having to explain how T'Challa had BP powers both in Civil War and in Black Panther BEFORE his ceremonial challenge-this was an Origin movie based upon what the comics have presented as the Origin of The Black Panther.

Long Live the King of Wakanda

We did see Tony building his initial suit and training himself in how to use the updated armor in Iron Man, which was an origin story. We didn't see Thor meeting the Warriors Three because that film was not an origin movie.

A origin story focuses on the character before becoming the hero and takes us through their transformation into the hero we know and love. In the MCU, Iron Man, Ant Man, Dr. Strange and Captain America:The First Avenger are origin stories. The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Spider Man: Homecoming and Black Panther are not.

 

[Doug_Moore]

He was already Black Panther when the movie started so no.

 

[Chance Jackson]

He was already Black Panther when the movie started so no.

but he wasn't king, and we didn't get the origin of Wakanda or the Black Panther mantle until N'Jobu's Monologe to his son

 

[Donald Thomas]

We did see Tony building his initial suit and training himself in how to use the updated armor in Iron Man, which was an origin story. We didn't see Thor meeting the Warriors Three because that film was not an origin movie.

A origin story focuses on the character before becoming the hero and takes us through their transformation into the hero we know and love. In the MCU, Iron Man, Ant Man, Dr. Strange and Captain America:The First Avenger are origin stories. The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Spider Man: Homecoming and Black Panther are not.

Aloha,
Great examples, but here's the deal. We did see how the Panther costume was created. We did see how through ceremonial combat T'Challa became the Black Panther and we were informed that this ritual was required to be the true Black Panther.We did see the cultivation of the heart shaped herb ( in the comic he has to climb a perilous mountain to get to the herb)We were informed on how Vibranium came to Wakanda.So my point remains, minus the TRUE origin of the Black Panther that would require the Fantastic Four and a small story on how Storm and T'Challa met when they were young, what part of the comic book origin of Black Panther was NOT introduced in this movie. Spider-Man fans can tell you immediately where the movie deviated from the comics. I'm still trying to understand what part of the comic book origin of Black Panther are you saying was not revealed in this movie! We are told in the comics that T'Challa studied at the finest Universities abroad obtaining a PHD in Physics along with several advanced degrees. But NO WHERE in any comic book of the Black Panther is there more of a presentation of his origin than was presented in this movie.

Long Live the King of Wakanda

 

[Zarex]

Coogler and company did an exceptional job providing the viewer with everything they would like to know about the Black Panther and how came to be. But T'Challa becoming BP was not the story were told. We followed him at a later point in life, when he was crowned King. A Black Panther origin story would have taken place much earlier in his life.

 

[MaddScience]

It was the best type of origin film. We never got to see a young T'Challa asking moronic kid things. t:t:t:

this. it wasn't bogged down with "baby's first steps" moments. but it is very much the origin of T'Challa as Black Panther. he was using the suit and the herb already, but his titles and duties became official in this movie and after his father's death.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Coogler and company did an exceptional job providing the viewer with everything they would like to know about the Black Panther and how came to be. But T'Challa becoming BP was not the story were told. We followed him at a later point in life, when he was crowned King. A Black Panther origin story would have taken place much earlier in his life.

Aloha,
But that is my point. If you follow comic book canon of the Black Panther, what you are referring to does NOT exist. Check out the two comics that I put up, they are canon regarding the Origin of the Black Panther. And because there is no Fantastic Four in the MCU, Civil War became the film that introduced him.But as far as all of the comic book history of the Origin of the Black Panther, this movie covered it. Creating a backstory or "T'Challa in his childhood" would not change what is considered his origin within the comics. There is a backstory concerning him and Storm when they were young. It's part of their whole marriage story arc.

Long Live the King of Wakanda

 

[javonstokess]

I'd argue that it's the origin of him becoming a king more than him becoming Black Panther.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

^^Yes. We see his rise as king, his fall and his "resurrection", which leads to him becoming a better man, hero, and king. That alone makes it an origin film, I think.

 

[metaphysician]

If this is an "origin movie", than the definition has broadened to the point of being basically useless.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

We need a movie about how Wakanda came to be and how Bashenga became the first Black Panther.