Keep in mind, it seemed like he had only been Batman for a short period in the movie too. Batman was still considered a myth to some in Gotham
Burton's Batman films certainly entice thought. The questions left unanswered keep many fans coming back to watch them.
Yeah I mean, I count myself as one who can read subtext, well with my degree in film and tv production currently in it's 1st year I hope I can! But seriously, there was a lot that was left to the viewer. I guess it's more of a Year Two to BB's Year One almost.
Yeah i'll give you that, it's a lot later in his career as Batman, yet obviously very early in terms of being in Gotham. For instance, he has the cave, the suit, the car, the know-how, the skills, the gadgets, everything.
However he doesn't have any friends, allies etc... B89 really shows Bruce Wayne how he should be, totally alone. Even Gordon doesn't trust him...
But yeah, most likely he was going for a slow, methodical burn through the criminal underworld.
B89 shows a lot about his sense of alienation in the world he's in, BB showed it differently, he almost shuns the help in BB, in B89 it pure doesn't exist...
Um, read what I just said, you know the bit where I say 'B89 shows a lot about his sense of alienation'
i've had a similar situation tonight like the thread starter, when they re-ran Batman Returns on the tele. i hope its okay to ask my questions here although its not B89, i didnt want to create an extra thread -
there are two things i never really got when watching BR before and which really stuck out to me tonight -
1. when did Batman figure out Penguin's lair being the abondoned zoo and how did he and Alfred already know about Penguin's ultimate improv plan with the armed penguin army when Batman is approaching the lair with his boat? the penguins had just begun swarming out and Alfred already had tracked them...
2. the remote Batman produces in the battle with Penguin triggers (apparently) both the missiles and the breakaway panel releasing the bats from the boat (its depicted that way in the shooting draft as well)
so did Batman anticipate Penguin's reaction and 'brought backup' in the form of bats?
what do you guys think, are both things simple plot holes / laziness in the writing department for the sake of convenience and forcing the developments needed for the climax, or did i miss something there? i tend to think of it as the former, but i'm interested in other thoughts.
thanks.
I dunno, to me he turns up at Axis because of the police, not because of Napier. But you know, thats just my opinion...
organised crime worked because those highest in the food chain always keep their hands clean. They conduct crimes under the guise of regular business practice and social get togethers. you still need proof to charge somebody with a crime.
Batman WAS doing his detective work by tackling the little fish and hoping for a lead on the big fish.
He could have just gone ahead and killed Grissom, but he's smart enough to know that somebody else would just take his place. he has to take apart the entire empire piece by piece.
It's not exactly laziness per se.....Burton is the opposite of Nolan when it comes to explaining Batman's methods and equiptment. Nolan will show you why he has it, where it comes from and what it does. Burton just shows you it.
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