WB & DC Meet For A Summit

[charl_huntress]

Not really...it doesn't matter who I ban, you're all just one big thesis paper to me.

Great...get and "A" and learn not to bann folks with different opinions. I'm beyond my thesis, but you can still learn something, Showey.

 

[Showtime]

Great...get and "A" and learn not to bann folks with different opinions. I'm beyond my thesis, but you can still learn something, Showey.

I've never banned anybody for having a different opinion...

 

[charl_huntress]

I've never banned anybody for having a different opinion...

Teach others...

 

[wellsy]

Wow. Talk about taking victimisation to extremes.

Anyways, on topic, it seems WB is full of hot air... again. Perhaps they require schooling in flatulence

 

[GreenKToo]

I feel cheated. They put on this big show with the talk of the summit and we have heard nothing.
I understand that maybe they want to keep things under wraps, but wouldnt it make sense to get the fans excited, you know, to create some buzz?

 

[DavidTyler]

I've never banned anybody for having a different opinion...

How about for bad breath and poor taste in clothes?

 

[solidsnake86]

I'm not to surprised that they haven't announced anything as of yet because we're only about 2 weeks removed from the opening of TDK. This movie is breaking records left and right so why take away from it. I'm sure at this point their main priority is locking in Chris Nolan. Second, I'm thinking they are seriously looking at green latern for a 2010 release. In terms of superman obviously things are a bit harder with it. You can't announce much if a script hasn't even been written yet, let alone writers or a story for that matter. I'm sure their are many arguments of which way to take the story between singer and the wb, hopefully if a sequel is made they will meet somewhere in the middle.

In the end Marvel is a movie studio with stockholders and their income is based on their superhero characters. Dc and Wb are in a different situation, they don't have to announce movies that are potentionally 3 or 4 years down the road at this point if they know they are not.

 

[X Knight]

it just seems the longer they wait to officially announce a sequel to SR, the less likely there will be a sequel.......

and, I think it's too soon for a total reboot.....TIH showed that can be a tricky situation for the GA.....

So...alas....it seems the Superman franchise is once again in limbo land.....

 

[gimmen64]

it just seems the longer they wait to officially announce a sequel to SR, the less likely there will be a sequel.......

and, I think it's too soon for a total reboot.....TIH showed that can be a tricky situation for the GA.....

So...alas....it seems the Superman franchise is once again in limbo land.....

Its sad to see the World's Greastest Superhero get placed on the back burner. Superman deserves so much better. I see Superman products everywhere, kids wearing Superman pj's with those cheesy velcro capes, the world needs a Superman Film. I just might write an article on that. :P

 

[TheBatman1979]

it just seems the longer they wait to officially announce a sequel to SR, the less likely there will be a sequel.......

and, I think it's too soon for a total reboot.....TIH showed that can be a tricky situation for the GA.....

So...alas....it seems the Superman franchise is once again in limbo land.....

Okay I'm going to interject a little into the whole Incredible Hulk not doing as well as people expected and what that bodes for a Superman sequel/reboot.


The Incredible Hulk was bound to under perform, and here's my reason: If you have a movie that does not do well, is not what the fans or the public expect, isn't on par story or plot wise with what people are used to, it's not going to do well and whatever you do next in that series of movies is also not going to do well, especially if it's with in a decade of each other.

Here, I'll paint the picture.

Superman III, not what the public or the fans were expecting, probably the weakest of the series at the time and a horrid Richard Prior performance/crappy character.
Lead into Superman IV; A quest for peace. Bombed, of course you could say that it was because Superman IV was a terrible movie that never should have been made but, really, nobody went to see it anyway.

Here's another, The Matrix Reloaded. Did really well at the box office especially since the first movie was damn good. The Matrix Revolutions, after Reloaded left people scratching their heads Revolutions severely under performed.

Batman and Robin, yeah it killed the Batman series for almost a decade and left people not wanting to see Batman for a very long time, even made some of the most hardcore Batman Fans want to wear a paper bag over their head.
Batman Begins, This stellar reboot actually under performed at the box office compared to the other comic movies coming out at the same time. I mean it did lead into the #1 comic adaption of all time, but we didn't know that then.

Hulk, was a poorly adapted film, even if it did have some neat new camera tricks and a some what inspired performance by Eric Bana, it didn't do as well has the studio expected. The Incredible Hulk, an excellent adaption of the Character with inspired performances from a good cast, but still under performing according to the studio and the fans even though it did make more money than it's predecessor.

So what's this all mean for Superman?


Superman Returns, if you liked it or hated it, didn't seem to grab the public. And we as fans do hold sway over these films. Our word of mouth does translate to box office dollars, so if only half of us promote a film, while the other half bad mouths it, chances are the general public is going to be 50/50 on the film as well. It had a largely inflated budget and did do any where enar what the studio wanted it to do. So if a reboot or sequel happens chances are, it's not going to bring in mega bucks just because the last movie didn't grab the general movie going audience.

What needs to be done is a well thought out competent movie made for about 150million dollars that both stays on course with the Source material and grabs the public in a way that it inspires and wows people. Reboot or sequel. Then when people find out how good this movie is the next one will rake in the money hand over fist.

Look I know everything I said may not hold weight with everyone but is a trend that has happened more than once. And I know creating a stellar Superman movie for 150 million is a tall order, but it's what needs to happen to have a successful franchise started again.


Just my two cents.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Okay I'm going to interject a little into the whole Incredible Hulk not doing as well as people expected and what that bodes for a Superman sequel/reboot.


The Incredible Hulk was bound to under perform, and here's my reason: If you have a movie that does not do well, is not what the fans or the public expect, isn't on par story or plot wise with what people are used to, it's not going to do well and whatever you do next in that series of movies is also not going to do well, especially if it's with in a decade of each other.

Here, I'll paint the picture.

Superman III, not what the public or the fans were expecting, probably the weakest of the series at the time and a horrid Richard Prior performance/crappy character.
Lead into Superman IV; A quest for peace. Bombed, of course you could say that it was because Superman IV was a terrible movie that never should have been made but, really, nobody went to see it anyway.

Here's another, The Matrix Reloaded. Did really well at the box office especially since the first movie was damn good. The Matrix Revolutions, after Reloaded left people scratching their heads Revolutions severely under performed.

Batman and Robin, yeah it killed the Batman series for almost a decade and left people not wanting to see Batman for a very long time, even made some of the most hardcore Batman Fans want to wear a paper bag over their head.
Batman Begins, This stellar reboot actually under performed at the box office compared to the other comic movies coming out at the same time. I mean it did lead into the #1 comic adaption of all time, but we didn't know that then.

Hulk, was a poorly adapted film, even if it did have some neat new camera tricks and a some what inspired performance by Eric Bana, it didn't do as well has the studio expected. The Incredible Hulk, an excellent adaption of the Character with inspired performances from a good cast, but still under performing according to the studio and the fans even though it did make more money than it's predecessor.

So what's this all mean for Superman?


Superman Returns, if you liked it or hated it, didn't seem to grab the public. And we as fans do hold sway over these films. Our word of mouth does translate to box office dollars, so if only half of us promote a film, while the other half bad mouths it, chances are the general public is going to be 50/50 on the film as well. It had a largely inflated budget and did do any where enar what the studio wanted it to do. So if a reboot or sequel happens chances are, it's not going to bring in mega bucks just because the last movie didn't grab the general movie going audience.

What needs to be done is a well thought out competent movie made for about 150million dollars that both stays on course with the Source material and grabs the public in a way that it inspires and wows people. Reboot or sequel. Then when people find out how good this movie is the next one will rake in the money hand over fist.

Look I know everything I said may not hold weight with everyone but is a trend that has happened more than once. And I know creating a stellar Superman movie for 150 million is a tall order, but it's what needs to happen to have a successful franchise started again.


Just my two cents.

Dude, that was a fantastic post there. Especially with TIH. Both reboot & sequel are big question mark. Some think MoS with Singer & Routh would not be successful, but a reboot could be the same way as we saw with TIH. WB may consider a sequel with how TDK was one & made more than BB, where TIH barely beat the first film. Not to mention it didn't made more than how much it cost to make it.

 

[dark_b]

lets not act like everyone was talking about BB every minute. on the other hand it did have good word of mouth.
maybe a good MOS could make 300 milions domestic.

 

[TheBatman1979]

lets not act like everyone was talking about BB every minute. on the other hand it did have good word of mouth.
maybe a good MOS could make 300 milions domestic.

I think that a Superman Returns Sequel or a Reboot will do between 200 and 300 mil. That isn't bad but you also have to understand that WB Studios thinks of Superman as their Spider-man like Tentpole. There's a lot of pressure to have this set of films do very well.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think that a Superman Returns Sequel or a Reboot will do between 200 and 300 mil. That isn't bad but you also have to understand that WB Studios thinks of Superman as their Spider-man like Tentpole. There's a lot of pressure to have this set of films do very well.

Now that Batman has become their "Spidey" maybe the expectations will be reigned in a little and whether it's a reboot or a sequel, it'll be allowed to find its own footing.

 

[TheBatman1979]

Now that Batman has become their "Spidey" maybe the expectations will be reigned in a little and whether it's a reboot or a sequel, it'll be allowed to find its own footing.

Actually it probably puts more pressure on it now. Batman was going to do well, but they did expect this from that movie, not many people did. So now they're questioning what they need to do to make Superman do that well, and if it can be done in today's Market.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Actually it probably puts more pressure on it now. Batman was going to do well, but they did expect this from that movie, not many people did. So now they're questioning what they need to do to make Superman do that well, and if it can be done in today's Market.

Iron Man was the first movie. BB had a great reception.

Superman is damaged. How much? No one really knows. It's all hearsay and bias belief on both sides.
Why hasn't Fox gone on with X-4? It made the most of all the movies. They know they damaged the brand, but hope that Wolverine will do ok.

I think the WB's expectations are of course to make as much money as possible but Superman and Batman are in two different places. I think Green Lantern has higher expectations than Superman now.

 

[dark_b]

I think that a Superman Returns Sequel or a Reboot will do between 200 and 300 mil. That isn't bad but you also have to understand that WB Studios thinks of Superman as their Spider-man like Tentpole. There's a lot of pressure to have this set of films do very well.

WB thought that superman will be their spiderman and batman doing some profit. now its the other way around. batman is already their piderman. so why not still use superman for some little profit? like batman was meant to be?

 

[TheBatman1979]

WB thought that superman will be their spiderman and batman doing some profit. now its the other way around. batman is already their piderman. so why not still use superman for some little profit? like batman was meant to be?

I never said Batman was only supposed to make a little profit, I said they expected more from Superman. Why would they want to let Superman make a little profit, when if they can get it right they'll make a lot of profit with both sets of films? There is no reason that Superman film can't gross 400mil. If Shrek and Pirates of the Carribean can do it, so can The Man of Steel. The real question is how do you get around Superman Returns. If you do a sequel you'd have to figure what elements of SR to leave out and how to get around the continuity issue. If you reboot, you run the risk of alienating people who saw Superman Returns and either liked it or thought this movie was a continuation. Remember, the General Public isn't as geeky on this stuff as we are. Where we are accepting they are not.

So until WB Studios figures out how to get around those things you won't see a Superman movie.

 

[Superman-Prime]

Wow... I just noticed that phil is finally banned, now I'm so happy to whoever ban him.

Hulk, was a poorly adapted film, even if it did have some neat new camera tricks and a some what inspired performance by Eric Bana, it didn't do as well has the studio expected. The Incredible Hulk, an excellent adaption of the Character with inspired performances from a good cast, but still under performing according to the studio and the fans even though it did make more money than it's predecessor.

I have to agree with you on this. Yes, Hulk was a poorly adapted film BY a foll named Ang Lee. That movie was crap.

I'm so happy that Marvel decided to to make a reboot of the Hulk film, and they did! The Incredible Hulk was so much better than I used to be. Before I go and see the Incredible Hulk movie, I was very worried how bad it was gonna be just like Ang's ******ed HULK crap.

 

[Superark]

I never said Batman was only supposed to make a little profit, I said they expected more from Superman. Why would they want to let Superman make a little profit, when if they can get it right they'll make a lot of profit with both sets of films? There is no reason that Superman film can't gross 400mil. If Shrek and Pirates of the Carribean can do it, so can The Man of Steel. The real question is how do you get around Superman Returns. If you do a sequel you'd have to figure what elements of SR to leave out and how to get around the continuity issue. If you reboot, you run the risk of alienating people who saw Superman Returns and either liked it or thought this movie was a continuation. Remember, the General Public isn't as geeky on this stuff as we are. Where we are accepting they are not.

So until WB Studios figures out how to get around those things you won't see a Superman movie.

You made several good points.

The only real issue I think a sequel would have to get around is the Jason issue. I believe any good writer who is creative can deal with that. Richard White is an easy one in my book.


The rest is easy, great action and great super villian along with all the other essentials.

 

[TheBatman1979]

You made several good points.

The only real issue I think a sequel would have to get around is the Jason issue. I believe any good writer who is creative can deal with that. Richard White is an easy one in my book.


The rest is easy, great action and great super villian along with all the other essentials.

I think they can get around it as well. I'm honestly surprised Warner Bros. hasn't been in contact with Jeph Loeb. The man wrote the character very well and does have TV experience. I mean I can't be the only one enjoying Heroes. And with Marc Guggenheim supposedly helping to pen the Green lantern script, it's not like having someone who's written a few comics is foreign to the Studio.

 

[storyteller]

A key thing is to get the project on a role. The wb basically left superman in the dead zone for nearly 2 decades. It looks like they are trying to do that again. Returns failed simply because it was a poor superman movie. The wb really seems to more interested in making quick cash then cashing in on their comic book series. Marvel has more then put its foot in the door, its got its own seat and a secretary. But if the next project other then batman to come out next is nearly a decade away, the Wb needs to think about giving the comic properties to someone else for movies.

 

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[Dark Knight]

You made several good points.

The only real issue I think a sequel would have to get around is the Jason issue. I believe any good writer who is creative can deal with that. Richard White is an easy one in my book.


The rest is easy, great action and great super villian along with all the other essentials.

Exactly.....it's not rocket science. Screenwriters should love that type of challenge.

 

[TheBatman1979]

Exactly.....it's not rocket science. Screenwriters should love that type of challenge.

Unfortunately it isn't the case anymore for many of the so called writers in Hollywood. Otherwise we'd have more original movie idea's instead the 800 remakes of the next three years. I still love the fact that when an original idea finally does come out of Hollywood we're so enamored with it even if it's crappy we still like it.