Sequels We want Cyclops back!!!

[Cyclops Lives!!]

It has been a long time since the release of XMEN parody "The Last Stand" but i can't get over the awful way they treated Cyclops.I never watched the film and i won't cause i know i'm gonna be very angry,I don't know how they'll do it but he has to be given the justice he deserves.He has to come back somehow and not like the amateur boy we saw in the first 2 movies but as the fearless leader of XMEN!Does anyone agree with me?

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Who let you out of your cage?

Cyclops isn't dead. Cyclops wasn't even shown to be dead. He was just ''assumed" and we all know where ''assumed" leads to.

 

[Vilya]

Dont worry, he's not dead we never saw him die. There's lots of fanfic floating around supporting that, just read them. It takes alot of balls to not go and watch the last stand, if i had known what i was going to see in the movie, i might not have watched it.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248389

 

[jeemer]

I would probably feel the same way if a half decent actor had played cyclops.

 

[TKing]

I would probably feel the same way if a half decent actor had played cyclops.

You don't think he's a good actor? Well perhaps if they had given the character an actually role to play in the films, we might have seen more of James Marsden's skills.

 

[Hulkster]

It has been a long time since the release of XMEN parody "The Last Stand" but i can't get over the awful way they treated Cyclops.I never watched the film and i won't cause i know i'm gonna be very angry,I don't know how they'll do it but he has to be given the justice he deserves.He has to come back somehow and not like the amateur boy we saw in the first 2 movies but as the fearless leader of XMEN!Does anyone agree with me?

I feel the same way like you do. May 26th is the worst day for all Cyclops fans all over the world it's like our 9/11.

They should give Cyclops some good role in X4.

Btw nice Artwork Vilya.

 

[JPJappic]

Cyclops = dead, fact. Whats with the denial, its only a bad charecter in a film. Fan fic = unofficial.

It's like a rule... if you don't see it happen that means it didn't happen.. we never saw his dead body so he's so not dead.

 

[Mother_Askani]

I don't think Scott's coming back, because "dead is dead" and it's too corny to keep bringing character's back.

However, on the whole "they never found a body" business, that made me think of this:

Nathan & Jean from Uncanny 386:

And they did eventually find Scott.

 

[Vilya]

Btw nice Artwork Vilya.

Thanks! i'll be doing somemore for Ntcrawler's fanfic.

You don't think he's a good actor? Well perhaps if they had given the character an actually role to play in the films, we might have seen more of James Marsden's skills.

I agree, he wasn't given a good chance to do the character justice. In X1 we see some of his leadership qualities but X2 X3 he's just sidelined.

 

[HughJackFan420]

Dont worry, he's not dead we never saw him die. There's lots of fanfic floating around supporting that, just read them. It takes alot of balls to not go and watch the last stand, if i had known what i was going to see in the movie, i might not have watched it.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248389

holy crapola!!!!!!!

this is exactly how i imagined what happened after the kiss of death...yet in the X MEN THE LAST STAND Forum in the Alternate endings and scenes thread i said for an altnernate ending they should have Gambit (but hide his face due to not knowing who will be casted for Gambit in X4) find Cyclops unconcious and not knowing that he is an X Men until he goes through his wallet. sorta like a cliffhanger for Gambit to be introduced in X4

 

[lordofthenerds]

Dont worry, he's not dead we never saw him die. There's lots of fanfic floating around supporting that, just read them. It takes alot of balls to not go and watch the last stand, if i had known what i was going to see in the movie, i might not have watched it.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248389

I don't think that happened. I mean we did see his skin bubbling...

 

[HughJackFan420]

I don't think that happened. I mean we did see his skin bubbling...

why not? we never saw what happened afterwards so anything could've happened and they did find Jean unconcious so this is a great possiblity. if anything this should be in X4 as a flashback for Cyclops.

 

[Decay]

It's really not up to us to say if Cyclops is alive or not. As far as we know it he died. But if there is going to be a X4 then we will probably find out that he is not dead. (I am saying this because I consider Scott to be a main character and an X-men movie without him wouldn't be an X-men movie).

 

[Verlin]

I don't think Scott's coming back, because "dead is dead" and it's too corny to keep bringing character's back.

Do you read X-men?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Do you read X-men?

He's saying (and I agree with him) that is one of the elements from the comics that shouldn't be touched upon.

The movies will cease to be taken seriously when every movie, someone who "died" in the last one comes back.

 

[PeRfEcT_StOrM]

bah humbug t: t: t:

 

[Verlin]

The movies will cease to be taken seriously when every movie, someone who "died" in the last one comes back.

I agree that the movie is based on reality. But isn't it more realistic to relive someone whom we never actually saw dying, than making a whole movie about the dark phoenix saga wich is a about a woman who resurected from death, and is now up to roast an entire galaxy?
If they can put the dark phoenix saga in a movie that deals with a possible reality, they can bring Scott back.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Bringing characters back from the dead on a constant basis is certainly something I agree should not become a standard in the movie universe.
This said:

1) Cyclops' supposed demise seems to have been deliberately left hazy and open for a return. His sin might have bubbled and Jean believed she killed him but the fact is you don't really know what happened, they never showed him disintegrate or give a reason why Jean was found the way she was. Both Marsden and Ratner responded in interview to his death by saying no one really ever dies in the X-Men universe and I'm sure that if anything the unexpected reaction his "death" had by fans will hopefully make the movie makers think of re-using the character and have a better role.

2) The movie pretty much countered every single stupid thing it did. From killing Xavier to having his ridiculous body snatcher ending (That is something I really wish they hadn't done) to have an indication that all the "cured" mutants will just get their powers back anyway as shown by Magneto's chess move.

3) This is only my personal opinion. As much as I hate the die and resurrect maneuver, frankly I do not feel the X-Men movies can work at all withou the original cast. Without Stewart, Jackman, McKellan, Marsden, Janssen and Berry the movies would not work. None of the younger X-Men can carry a movie on their own; neither with their characters nor with their talent. I love Paquin, Ashmore, Foster, Stanford and Page; what little they have offered was great, but they can't hold a movie together; even with support from Grammer, Cudmore and Cumming.

Without Jean, Scott, Logan, Xavier and Ororo, there is no X-Men movie.

My two cents.

 

[Mother_Askani]

Do you read X-men?

Of course. That's why I understand the "dead is dead" policy. Death looses it's meaning when a character comes back to life like Kenny in South Park.

Having a character die, be buried, everyone mope around, and then low and behold, he's not really dead! That got to be so ridiculous that X-books lost their credibility. And the movies, even more so, when they want to maintain reality.

In the movie, if they had noted that they didn't find Scott's body (like Nate was obsessed with in Uncanny X-Men), then there's a clue that he's not really dead. If they wanted to leave it vague so Scott could come back for X4, maybe after being kidnapped by Sinister, then no funeral, and leave it completely up in the air what happened to Scott.

But the funeral scene to me represented the huge sacrifice they all had to make. If no one really dies, it takes all of that away.

 

[Muad'Dib]

While I respect your opinion Mother Askani, I disagree with you.

The funeral sequence was for Xavier, at nopoint was Scott even mentioned here. The only reference to Scott in these terms are the headstone at the end which has no real bearing as they think he's dead. However, even the grand funeral was for someone who isn't dead, as they coped out of Xavier's death by doing that stupid body swap.

If in fact Scott had died, they would have simply shown him vaporized entirely. There is absolutely no reason to keep the sequence at Alakli Lake vague if there was no intent to keep a scapegoat window open for his return, particularly how many people were pissed at the revelation of his death from the leaked script almost one year before the moviue came out.

And everything X3 did it took away itself. Think about it:

1) The dead people aren't really dead. Scott can coime back, Xavier is back and even Jean (who they swear is dead) can later come back like the Phoenix always does or they could even argue that wasn't even her like the later comics did with the whole duplicate thing.

2) The cured mutants aren't cured. You can see Magneto is going to get his powers back, so everyone else will too.

3) Every "risk" they took was for nothing. The whole movie was for nothing, as neither of the two stories in the movie had a price or even a point beyond the immediate events.

This may have been a third X-Men movie but it sure wasn't a third part of a Trilogy. That's like Return of the King being written by someone other than J.R.R Tolkien and have nothing to do with the previous two parts other than the character names and still call it a trilogy.

 

[Mother_Askani]

If they could come up with some explanation to what happened to Scott, it could work, but resurrections get to be so ridiculous that it takes away from the reality of X-Men.

X3 could have been written with hints that made it more believable, but unfortunately the writers/producers were idiots. But, they can't just undo the mistakes of the last movie by ignoring it. Unless they do a complete reboot, there needs to be continuity.

So many people didn't see the ending with Xavier, a sequel would have to explain all of that. That type of resurrection is a little far-fetched, but still believable since Chuck is a telepath.

But if in the same movie, they try to resurrect both Scott & Jean, that gets into cheapening death. There's no emotional reaction from the audience if someone dies if you assume they'll be back in the next movie.

It's just like the stupidity of Uncanny 460, where on one page Storm greets a newly resurrected Colossus, as a newly ressurrected Psylocke greets Cyke, Emma and Kitty (all in front of the statue dedicated to a dead Jean Grey)

Psylocke mocked the whole situation by telling Emma, "... If resurrections are all the rage, shouldn't we be counting the days until you-know-who returns from the white-hot-you-know-where to reclaim her dear old husband?"

Comic book readers and movie goers are two different groups. Comic books are like soaps, no one stays dead. In movies, if they want this to seem real, to have that type of impact on people that death is real, painful and final, then they can't just have the same characters keep dying and coming back to life.

The reason for the "dead is dead" policy was to prevent writers from doing stupid plotlines where they hype a character's death, then try to immediately bring them back. It's exactly those types of storylines that will hurt the X-Men movie franchise.

The movies need to avoid the mistakes of the comics, like the whole cluster*** of retcons to the Phoenix Force that have X-freaks endlessly debating, and majorly confuses new readers. You have a situation with it being so confusing and writers with different takes, that it's impossible to understand. Recently the Uncanny X-Men writer Ed Brubaker got into a big debate with fans on another forum about his take on the whole Phoenix issue and it seems like he's basically going to ignore major parts of continuity. With the movies, they need to avoid making X-Men one huge colossal retcon of doom. Anyone who's dead, stays dead.

If they bring in Madelyne Pryor, or maybe find Scott's body and use him for genetic experiments, that might work. But if the beginning of X4 is Jean and Scott running towards each other , alive and well, like a lot of fans want, that just makes a mockery of death.

Recently didn't Zac Penn say that Ratner wanted to be shown what from the comics every scene was based on? If they want to deal with death, the inspiration needs to be Uncanny 303, Illyana's death. That issue sums up the X-Men.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Believe me I agree with you. My point is that X3's own writers don't follow through with what they put, they certainly did not follow continuity from the first 2 films, like you said they just messed up really bad.

But the writers don't follow up the dead is dead policy within their own movie. And being a telepath to me does not account for a soul transplant, the Xavier thing was a huge cop out just like their stupid cure which in the end turns out to not work anyway.

As far as I'm concerned they can chalk up The Last Stand to the Ultimate Universe, or 616 or whatever alternate universe you want. Instead of the comics, I'd just write up this lemon to a what if or an Infinities type of movie.

Honestly I wouldn't mind at all if the next movie was Singer's original X3 completeing the trilogy as it should've been and not count TLS at all. But that's just me.

 

[Tony Stark]

The point is the producers/writers didn't understand what made the first two films popular. They only looked only at starpower, and gave the bulk of the story to Jackman, Berry and McKellum.

 

[HughJackFan420]

Bringing characters back from the dead on a constant basis is certainly something I agree should not become a standard in the movie universe.
This said:

1) Cyclops' supposed demise seems to have been deliberately left hazy and open for a return. His sin might have bubbled and Jean believed she killed him but the fact is you don't really know what happened, they never showed him disintegrate or give a reason why Jean was found the way she was. Both Marsden and Ratner responded in interview to his death by saying no one really ever dies in the X-Men universe and I'm sure that if anything the unexpected reaction his "death" had by fans will hopefully make the movie makers think of re-using the character and have a better role.

2) The movie pretty much countered every single stupid thing it did. From killing Xavier to having his ridiculous body snatcher ending (That is something I really wish they hadn't done) to have an indication that all the "cured" mutants will just get their powers back anyway as shown by Magneto's chess move.

3) This is only my personal opinion. As much as I hate the die and resurrect maneuver, frankly I do not feel the X-Men movies can work at all withou the original cast. Without Stewart, Jackman, McKellan, Marsden, Janssen and Berry the movies would not work. None of the younger X-Men can carry a movie on their own; neither with their characters nor with their talent. I love Paquin, Ashmore, Foster, Stanford and Page; what little they have offered was great, but they can't hold a movie together; even with support from Grammer, Cudmore and Cumming.

Without Jean, Scott, Logan, Xavier and Ororo, there is no X-Men movie.

My two cents.

we don't know if he's dead that's the thing nor do we now if Professor X or Jean is dead for that matter

 

[taintedFB]

Spread the word... X-Men fans demand Cyclops' return in X4. We demand that Jimmy be given a bigger, better role. We want X4 with Cyclops as a LEAD character...

Or at the very least, a spinoff: