World Web shooter shop class - Part 3

[wp992001]

how do i make a spinneret with the motor behind it

 

[S1ru5]

Woah! We've planned on using that for 4 years, but never could because it was too new to be sold! Its awesome that its finally hit the market! Still, we have to be carefull. We dont know anything about this seller, so it could be fake or low quality.

I say we all brave it. It's 22 bucks. Just get a visa gift card IN CASE it's fake. Then no account can be stolen. I doubt it's fake though, this is very specific and an odd thing to con if it is. I say we go for it.

 

[wp992001]

how do i make a spinneret with the motor behind it

 

[S1ru5]

how do i make a spinneret with the motor behind it

how do i make a spinneret with the motor behind it

I'm only answering because I know you won't stop asking. Make a thin cylindrical piece of metal (or buy one) and weld it to the end of the motor. Then attach your spinnerette to the center of the piece of metal.

 

[Elxiah]

I'm only answering because I know you won't stop asking. Make a thin cylindrical piece of metal (or buy one) and weld it to the end of the motor. Then attach your spinnerette to the center of the piece of metal.

spinnerettes dont have to spin. there are several different ways to construct them. My newest one is a collection of several sports needles connected to the same valve at very close proximity. this way when it fires the natural cohesion will bond them together, making a rope of about 9 very thin threads. It sort of looks like the barels of a minigun, or gatling gun. I might make it spin too, but im not sure yet. Might just be more trouble, seeing as how im also using a heating coil.

 

[S1ru5]

Here's a question, I want to make this thing as flat as possible, and the solenoid valve seems to be increasingly large. What If I attatched a small solenoid like this

Would it work to put this at the back of the chamber on the wrist? And pump the fluid into there until I hit the switch, pulling back a rubber stopper, releasing the built up fluid?
Something like this.

 

[wp992001]

Ut use a schrader valve it's much smaller

 

[Elxiah]

Ut use a schrader valve it's much smaller

actually since schrader valves are mostly used for gases, it doesnt really work. weve tried them before.

 

[Elxiah]

That solonoid in the picture is just a normal one without the cover on it, which is required if you want it to work. The smaller ones that ive seen dont work as well, because they cant handle holding back the pressure. Now as for your shooter, not sure i quite understand the placement of your parts, but if what your wondering is that if you connect the pressure vessel and fluid (if they're separate, itll be pressure, then fluid) to the solenoid, to a tube, to the nozzel, yeah thatll work. your diagram doesnt look like the placement is right though. Trigger should work, but you might have to program a bit and get a microcontroller if you want to use double tap activation. Dalton knows more about that than I do, ask him about it.

 

[S1ru5]

your diagram doesnt look like the placement is right though..

I apologize. I rushed the picture on paint, and have since ditched the design in favor of my final design, which I am 95% sure will do exactly what I need it too.

This is the ARACHNID MK. IV.

The pressure release trigger is based off of something a friend was doing with an airsoft gun, in which he had a thing pipe which he drilled holes into, and attached a spring.

As I pull down on the lever, which is connected to an attachment on the pipe, the pipe pushes inward through a small hole, the now pressurized fluid, which is stored IN the chamber, rushes out rapidly through three small holes, which attach to a corkscrewed thin chamber, which will act as the spinnerette.

This design is both smaller, and more easily put together than my last design, which (literally) blew up in my face.

And if it isn't 100% obvious, yes this design is based on the TASM web shooters.

 

[wp992001]

genious ur exactly right on ur designs just use a pressure release trigger

 

[S1ru5]

genious ur exactly right on ur designs just use a pressure release trigger

That's essentially what is in the design itself, I'm just building a modified pressure release trigger of my own, I guess I could describe it as working similar to those silly string web shooters you see at toys r us, a little metal lever pushes the nozzle inward, I just made it much smaller.

 

[wp992001]

if this formula nanocellulose is real do u think we could swing

 

[wp992001]

how do u make a pressure release trigger

 

[Elxiah]

I apologize. I rushed the picture on paint, and have since ditched the design in favor of my final design, which I am 95% sure will do exactly what I need it too.

This is the ARACHNID MK. IV.

The pressure release trigger is based off of something a friend was doing with an airsoft gun, in which he had a thing pipe which he drilled holes into, and attached a spring.

As I pull down on the lever, which is connected to an attachment on the pipe, the pipe pushes inward through a small hole, the now pressurized fluid, which is stored IN the chamber, rushes out rapidly through three small holes, which attach to a corkscrewed thin chamber, which will act as the spinnerette.

This design is both smaller, and more easily put together than my last design, which (literally) blew up in my face.

And if it isn't 100% obvious, yes this design is based on the TASM web shooters.

ehh, don't quite understand your pressure release trigger, but it doesnt seem to be a solonoid. Since your putting in the pipe into the hole to let the fluid out, what stopping the fluid from just flowing out of the hole without the pipe? remember it needs to be airtight. I still have no idea what your pressure vessel and fluid tank looks like, so im lost there. Your bullet theory was a good idea, but i tried that before. It just wont work. While it does work for solids, liquids will just form around it, and then go back to normal when they get out of the shooter. What you are looking for is something called CENTRIPETAL FORCE. Its what makes spinning things come together, like in a tornado. To create that, the spinnerete must be spinning. However, it wont work well unless the web solidifies right as it leaves the shooter. to do that youll need a heating coil. As to how you can make it spin with a heating coil without the wires breaking, i dont know i havent figured it out yet.

 

[S1ru5]

Well, I'm making by taking a small compression pipe, gluing an air-soft pellet in the end, and drilling two small holes in the sides. A spring will be attached to it, keeping the holes outside of the chamber until the lever pushes it backwards.

As for the nanocellulose, I suppose in THEORY you could have it support your weight, if it's bonded enough. I mean, it is allegedly stronger than steel, however, swinging on it is different, in fact, swinging is almost...if not completely impossible. The g-force would increase the pull on the rope, making it easier to break the web, and your arms. In short, don't expect to swing at all.

 

[wp992001]

theoretically u can swing if ur a body builder

 

[S1ru5]

Since your putting in the pipe into the hole to let the fluid out, what stopping the fluid from just flowing out of the hole without the pipe? remember it needs to be airtight.

I'm using a little compression pipe (i think that's what it's called, I saw it at lowes yesterday.) And in the end, I'm super-gluing an air-soft pellet into it, it's curved inward, so the ball will fit tightly when glued in, it's an idea that's been used before, so it should work, no doubt in my mind. All it needs is a little push back into the chamber.

I still have no idea what your pressure vessel and fluid tank looks like, so im lost there.

I'm using a gallon tank sprayer-pump, it that helps, although it is much bigger than I wanted, if my PVC pressure vessel idea will work, I'll go with that, but I'm unsure at this point.

Your bullet theory was a good idea, but i tried that before. It just wont work.

Then I might just ditch a spinneret altogether for now, I don't have the exact resources to build something that miniscule.

 

[S1ru5]

theoretically u can swing if ur a body builder

Well,, then that's clearly out of the question for me.

 

[Elxiah]

theoretically u can swing if ur a body builder

Actually, its more like theoreticly you could swing if your weren't human: i.e. spider-man. The G forces are too strong for human flesh and bone, no matter how strong you are. No matter how much you work out, the human body just wasnt made to hold up at that pressure.

 

[S1ru5]

Actually, its more like theoreticly you could swing if your weren't human: i.e. spider-man. The G forces are too strong for human flesh and bone, no matter how strong you are. No matter how much you work out, the human body just wasnt made to hold up at that pressure.

The closest thing we can get to having a normal person appear to "swing" would be parkour with the webline involved, more of an illusion than anything else.

 

[Elxiah]

I still dont think i fully understand your idea for the pressure release, but if you believe in it go for it. I personally urge you to just go with a solenoid. BTW, recently I been seeing smaller solenoids on the market called mini/micro solenoids. I have never tried on of them, so I can't comment on those. Might look into it though.

 

[Elxiah]

The closest thing we can get to having a normal person appear to "swing" would be parkour with the webline involved, more of an illusion than anything else.

Perhaps somthing similar to the "webzip" from the videogames, but still unlikely with the fluids we currently are able to make. maybe one day though.

 

[Elxiah]

I would also like to apologize to S1ru5. I made a mistake earlier. Remember that picture of a small solenoid you posted before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2F-q6Jecdo
Still not sure if it could withstand the pressure though.

 

[S1ru5]

I still dont think i fully understand your idea for the pressure release, but if you believe in it go for it. I personally urge you to just go with a solenoid. BTW, recently I been seeing smaller solenoids on the market called mini/micro solenoids. I have never tried on of them, so I can't comment on those. Might look into it though.

This should explain the trigger I'm building a little better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0q6diiJ3U