World Web shooter shop class

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One of the many weaknesses I have is not being decisive. I have, though, decided once and for all that I am sticking to the backpack and valve system, and it's you guys' job to hold me to it. No matter what I say, hold me to it. It's perfect, valves and tubes are inexpensive, and I have materials for the backpack.
 
You ok symbiote man? As for ultimate spider, I understand what you mean.
 
Yes... Do I sound okay?... I just need to get this done before halloween and need to get started if I want to finish.
 
Good luck with that! I hope for the best. ^^ I would just use small cans of silly string like the rubskin guy on youtube. It doesn't look as rediculous as the toy walmart shooter.
 
Yeah, I'm just afraid that the flubber won't hold it's form. It's a sheer thickening liquid that snaps under pressure. Also, it will quickly become a puddle of glue.
 
Or wouldn't it just splatter all over whatever you shot it at, Also I have an idea for how to release the propellant gas, I will try it before this weekend.
 
I am hoping it will stick t the nozzle and strech. I doubt it will break apart because my backpack will mix the ingredients at the right time, making it take form after it is in a line.
 
Of course. It uses polymers and make weak bonds, which, as you know, can be broken. Is also is a non-Newtonian liquid. At first, before it dries, it is a little more stretchy and sticky, and gooey.
 
To symbiote man: You got the elementary grasp of it, but do you know why it will bounce when it hits the floor, but when you pull it, it snaps?

To everyone else: I feel like we've gotten a little off track as we are waiting for a prototype to be built. So as one of my friends brought up to me, let's stick to the basics and focus on what works. I'm sure you all remember that picture of the actual shooter. (I deleted it a while ago, so I will put it back on my deviantart account.)

__real___web_shooter_by_technolgytheorist-d47t005.jpg


For the life of me, I can't figure out how it works. here is the description:The substance is stored in the main chamber, which is a 6oz model airplane fuel tank available at most hobby stores. With the pressure created by the output of the CO2 cartridge, the fluid is forced through the opening on the opposite side if the chamber (I also added a secondary rubber pipe that extends to to the nozzle). The substance is immediately spun by the "nozzle," which is a funnel attached directly to the 4.5v electric located at the entrance of the mechanism. The substance is rotated at about 1,500RPM. (only a small amount is actually forced into the mechanism) ------ During this time, the substance is cooled to subzero temperatures due to the cold air immited by the CO2 cartridge, but the reaction caused by the Co2 between the sodium and the cyanoacrylate. -------- At the end of the "nozzle" is a small metal shield (spinning at the same RPMs as the funnel. This metal shield has six 2mm diameter holes around the outside and a larger 4mm hole in the middle. The dense substance (dense at cold temperature) is forced through the small openings. Once it leaves the nozzle the liquid becomes far less dense in a matter of a fraction of a second. This reaction to the temperature change happens so fast that the liquid instantly turns into a semi-solid gel and crystals (most likely to to the sodium). ------ The Co2 cartridge is punctured by two small spring-loaded nailed (sharp). The two 1" steel springs and the small "v" clamp inbeteen them are squeezed together by the tension on the cables (which lead through small fiber tubes to the front of the shooter).

--------- WARNING: DO NOT SHOOT THIS DEVICE AT ANIMALS OR PEOPLE! THE SUBSTANCE BONDS TO SKIN immediately AND WILL BURN! (sorry if you had intentions) ALSO, DO NOT SWING! (although you'll find it's obvious) The "strand can only handle about 20lbs of weight. ALWAYS wear eye protection when firing this device. It does not shoot a well defined unidirectional strand like Spider man's shooter. This device is far from perfection and substance may shooter in different directions, although most will spin into the center strand. ALSO, this device is very loud with the combined noise of the motor and the Co2 cartridge. Consider wearing ear protection. The device I built shoots a maximum of 25-30ft, so be careful. It shoots at high pressure.



If we can build it, we could have an easy prototype until we have pressure vessels. So does anyone actually have an idea for how this works?
 
You could connect your "first" shooter to a model airplane fuel tank.
 
Yeah, I saw that a while ago, if is wasn't so big I would use it. I mean, TWENTY POUNDS????? And he says only...

White Widow: I have a theory, but I don't know. I imagine it bounces because it's squishing together the bonds, not pulling them apart.
 
That's a possibility Spidey 44. I'd just have to work on a way to connect the tubing more efficiently.

To symbiote-man: The reason why it is a shear thickening liquid is that the bonds you were mentioning are hard to break, but the second it breaks, it instantly finds another bond. So when you pull it, the bonds won't be able to find a new pair of crosslinks. When the thing hits the ground, instead of diffusing the energy in breaking the bonds, minimal energy will be lost as they are reformed and it will ricochet from the ground back up through the substance.
 
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Ok, so THAT'S how it does it, thanks!

(If I have time) I'm gonna start today!!!!!!
 
alright guys. Because I have to progress in my welding class to finish the valve, I've been driving myself mad trying to think of flaws in the design and how to make something simple look good and yadda yadda yadda. It's around this time in a project where I get burned out and disappear for a while. So to combat that, I approached things like sherlock Holmes and started looking at fun modifications for the shooter.

So I started looking back at valves and indicational pressure meters that light up. It was then that I looked back at solenoid valves and I've made a discovery. It is possible to use one.

To put this in perspective, I'll tell you what I was blantatly not thinking about. It's very obvious looking back at it.

http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?14,5870

This was the only valve I could find that was simple enough to build at home that would work for our purposes. Here is what was wrong though. I figured this thing couldn't hold any pressure because the pressure would instantly push the nail either way. You would have to counteract it with a spring. The problem with a spring is that it would have to be super strong. Here is the solution.

In our first week of physics, we looked into forces. Our first problems were like this:

---5---> + <----6---- = ?

It's obvious that the the answer was <---1--- If two forces were to fight each other, that is five pounds of force pushing right, and 6 pounds pushing left, then one pound of pressure would remain still going left.

Now to put that in perspective to web shooters.

I thought that in our case it would end up looking like this:

the force of the spring (----100psi-->) + web fluid (<---300psi) and that's what I thought it would be, which is why I discounted solenoids.

Upon looking back on it, I realized it would work better if you had the fluid come from two sources:

fluid coming from the left tube (--150psi-->) + Fluid coming from the right tube (<---150 psi--) That is how fluid naturally works. It will find equal pressure in it's container. If you have that pressure going to one spot, it would naturally be 0 psi as the two forces would equal eachother. That means that if we used the spring from a mechanical pencil, it wouldn't matter, because the fluid makes it so that there is no pressure to fight. Therefore:

Fluid from left pipe (--150psi->)+ spring (--.25psi-->)+ fluid from right pipe(<--150 psi--) = (--.25 psi-->) That means that all the magnet would have to fight is the force of the spring which could be as weak as possible.

We can make a simple solenoid valve from simple parts at home depot. That also explains the old stan lee design.

And it explains why he can bend his wrists. Spring steel will flex with his hands and won't break the device. All you would need is two copper wires.

I know this is kind of hard to understand so if you need extra explaining feel free to ask. Basically, all you need to know is that with this info, it proves that we can trigger the mechanism with a switch instead of a lever or button or anything else.
 
Alright, I breaking my "hold me to it" command to say I'm changing designs.
I had trouble pressurizing it, and keeping it air tight, to do it within my budget costs, so I am changing to this:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Cobweb-Spider-Gun-Simple-Build/

I realize that this needs to squirt the glue in. I am not sure how this can be done. Suggestions?
There is the possibility of using a string connected to the trigger mechanism, but this is kinda a last resort.
I am going to use a Scarlet Spider costume, btw.
 
I've been thinking of both idea's for some time, but to activate the solenoid you would need a lot of power to counteract the pressure, Symbiote-Man thanks for posting that I've been looking for that.
 
To symbiote man, I'm glad you changed your mind. The other method would take alot of testing. You just need a very small air compressor to make one of those guns.

To Spidey44, that might seem the case, but not really. If you have fluid from one container and seperating at two points until they join at where the valve is, and the valve doesn't break, then the force pushing on the valve is 0 psi. It wouldn't take alot of power to move the valve at all. a simple electromagnet could do it. To be safe though, I think that the material that would block the hole should be a neodymium magnet that is covered in rubber. These magnets are so powerful, they are known to shatter eachother.
 
No problem. So either I find a really smallish way to squirt the glue in, or I'm gonna be a spiderman with tubes connected to guns... Hmmm... think fast Symbiote-Man...
 
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