World Webbing formula - Part 1

[nolder]

Why do you want it anyway¿

what?

 

[spidey44]

I might use a little CA in my formula, and tiny rubber particles increase the flexibility of CA along with impact strength, and heat resistance.

 

[Black_Widow]

Ok then. Why don't you use Electro spinning???

 

[spidey44]

Because I don't really need it.

 

[newstranger]

I've got something kind of an idea, but not sure it's gonna help. So what i'm thinking is - everyone will need lots of fluid, because noone wants to recharge very often. And if there is any way when the really little web (or sort of) fluid is mixed with water to obtain the final result. Or when small amount of web fluid is mixed with small amount of water, to obtain something that expands and it's getting stronger.
Sorry for my bad English, hope you will understand what i'm trying to say.
What i want is to use as possible less fluid to obtain more web, something like in the movie

 

[WebShooterGuy]

I watched the movie last night and it's not any kind of fluid. It's actually a lightweight cable with the elastic components of rubber but the strength of steel which Peter added adhesive to and compacted into cartridges. As far as I know it's not biodegradable, but if we could add some kind of catalyst to make it so, then we've got webs. I don't know the formula for making the cable though.

 

[megajs]

the problem with an expanding fluid is that it becomes weaker as it expands so its out of the question for now

 

[Krinkleneck]

I have been gone for a while, and I had been following this thread for a while. What is the newest formula? Have you considered it might be already solid considering he reels and cuts it?

 

[reindeer30]

Hi! I'm new here, I have been reading this thread for a while but seemed to miss the last few weeks ... Could anyone briefly explain the formula so far or any important discoveries?

 

[Krinkleneck]

I also have to say if you plan on working with high pressures just skip square containers. That is unless it is lining for tubes in the container which take the pressure. Doing this not only makes replaceable tubes, but it makes a protective shield in case of critical malfunction. The only other thing I could suggest is having a solvent at standby so in case you accidentally bond it with yourself.

 

[Wadaltmon]

I also have to say if you plan on working with high pressures just skip square containers.

It would probably just expand to a cylinder anyway.

 

[Peter Parkerish]

Hello, I have been following this thread for quite awhile, I understand the various products that must be used to create this webbing substance but I would like to know how would u put it together. If possible, please respond to this, if not no hard feelings. By the way great job on all of your research WW

 

[White_widow]

Hi, parkerish.

The formula is a rubber mixed with PVA. The PVA (alcohol, not acetate) will provide strength. The rubber must be acetone soluble so that the polymers won't mix. The rubber will coat the PVA fiber. The PVA will be mostly solid, or a strong stiff gel. This blend when cold will be rather hard and adhesive.


TO EVERYBODY: READ THIS SITE BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT THE FORMULA:

http://www.pslc.ws/mactest/maindir.htm

 

[Peter Parkerish]

Thanks for that quick reaponse WW. I have two other questions I wanted to ask ...

1) is the overall formula flammable

2) In order to test out the fluid before buying the parts to create a custom web shooter, would it be appropriate to try it out in one of those cheap toy web shooters? Will that bias the out come change?

 

[Peter Parkerish]

Also for the previous qeastion that you answered with a great degree of speed. I was asking how you would prepare it for gel spinning because if remember correctly u stated that the way it is prepared varies from the way you spin it.

 

[White_widow]

To Parker:

1.) The acetone is. the rest of it isn't. trying to get rid of all the solvents is one of our biggest problems.

2.) Define bias exactly. I suppose if you really want to use that as the pressure source, you could. The thing is though, the formula wouldn't solidify quickly enough. The thing we need is a spinneret.

 

[Aris]

I am also new here, but as the other guys I have been following this thread for quite a long! White Widow, you are truly amazing man. You have suggested so many things about the fluid and the webshooters themselves. You are obviously a brilliant mind! My question is, how can we create the spinneret you said?

 

[White_widow]

thanks. ^^' Anyway, the spinneret should be relatively easy. It's a heated plate with lots of holes. The polymer goes through it, which aligns the molecules and evaporates the solvent. Recently, we've debated if the CO2 can help with the process, though it's not positive.

 

[Aris]

Is there something else that can help, except CO2? I have read here that nitrogen will help too...

 

[White_widow]

Any propellant will do. Freon, helium, co2, regular air, compressed air, nitrogen, nitrous oxide, green gas, or butane. None of them will react with an inert plastic. The only difference that the propellant offers is whether it will... "FLAME ON" when exiting a heated plate. The opposite could happen too. It could freeze the formula.

With the innovation of the bag-on, that might not happen either.

 

[Aris]

So the only way to limit the probabilities of the ''freeze'' or ''fire'' effect, is the spinneret?

 

[White_widow]

No, the freeze and fire phenomenon will affect the spinneret. The freeze and fire will be determined by the propellant and the pressure vessel. If you use bag-on, it won't do that.

I don't see why so many of you are so opposed to using normal air. If you were to use any other propellant, it will be for another use. For example, CO2 will freeze the fluid. Butane will act as a solvent to some polymers. However, since it's been established that so many people don't know what the formula is, we shouldn't be choosing a gas with an effect.

BTW I'm not picking on you parker. I'm trying to make it so people recognize WHY I do the things I do. Every factor plays a part.

 

[Aris]

I am pretty sure that you know better than others what to do, that's why I am asking you some of my questions. Surely every factor plays a part, because doing something wrong can hurt people. Have you tried using normal air? Sorry man, but i have to get some sleep, because here is 3:23 am! I am glad that i have registered to this forum and participating in this thread and I promise I will try to help you. I don't know very good chemistry, but it was(and still!) my favorite lesson , so I can understand almost everything that we are discussing! I have a good book of chemistry(that talks about polymers) that university provided us at the first semester, so I will check it out asap! Goodnight guys!

 

[White_widow]

nighty night!

 

[Krinkleneck]

Any propellant will do. Freon, helium, co2, regular air, compressed air, nitrogen, nitrous oxide, green gas, or butane. None of them will react with an inert plastic. The only difference that the propellant offers is whether it will... "FLAME ON" when exiting a heated plate. The opposite could happen too. It could freeze the formula.

With the innovation of the bag-on, that might not happen either.

Don't use anything flammable it would be bad enough to have a failure in the resin or the pressure tank. That alone will definitely cause minor irritation from the adhesives to death from a pressurized explosion. At least the pressure we're talking about using. If you are using anything above 750 psi if you get hit by a jet of that it has its own chance of cutting you, and putting a life threatening air pocket in your bloodstream which would most definitely kill you. Don't add fire to that mix. I work with some pressurized machinery don't compound potential problems on to each other if you can avoid it. I looked at the where the tensile strength is right now, and if you make it 10x stronger in theory we could be able to support our body weight in a bungee jump with about an eighth inch of it. We don't need 1000 in tensile strength most of the strongest steel alloys don't reach that in their ultimate tensile potential. I also agree we need something like liquid duct tape. That way we can separate ourselves from the strand if things go wrong. I haven't tinkered with the formula yet, but we definitely need to set up some safety standards. The less moving parts the better. As for servos I recommend that we attach servos directly to valves so we have a precise trigger mechanism, or at least set up springs and latches to have a perfect trigger pull every time. It would also provide us with a way to make strings and web balls. Does anybody have any questions?