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I'm definitely going to get these. JMS on Superman and Geoff Johns/Gary Frank on pretty much anything are too good to pass up on. Also, just because they're the early years, doesn't mean that they're going to be origin stories.
 
But they're ongoings set in new continuities. Usually it makes sense to start at the beginning for those, i.e. the origins.
 
"It's been 18 months, time to retell the origins of our core characters again, lol."
 
But they're ongoings set in new continuities. Usually it makes sense to start at the beginning for those, i.e. the origins.

You can still have stories of a novice Superman and Batman without them being origin stories.

Take a look at Batman and the Monster Men, Batman and the Mad Monk, and Batman: The Man Who Laughs. All stories set in the early years of Batman, but he's established.

Or take a look at the Batman movie in which Batman was already Batman, but overall hadn't been around for very long.
 
They're going to retell the origin because everybody retells the origin because rewriting Batman/Superman's origins is the comics writer equivalent of playing the lead role in Hamlet for actors and for the rest of their stupid career they can tell people that they wrote the definitive Superman And/Or Batman Origin Story.
 
The origin story can be done thruout the story and began it as Batman.. Like flash backs and stuff on key moments. Riddler is going to be the first comic villain we're seeing and Johns said he's going to introduce new characters and villains to this universe. Probably random thugs with names and stuff like that. Can't wait to see their Joker. :D
 
The origin story can be done thruout the story and began it as Batman.. Like flash backs and stuff on key moments. Riddler is going to be the first comic villain we're seeing and Johns said he's going to introduce new characters and villains to this universe. Probably random thugs with names and stuff like that. Can't wait to see their Joker. :D
thats kinda what johns said hes doing
 
Unfortunately for me neither DC Source or AintItCool would load up. But DC Source just finally did and from JMS' comments, it sounds like the Superman one will be an origin story but the Batman one sounds like an "origin" in the style of Tim Burton's Batman movie.
 
aint it cool is jacked today... i read the article earlier... eh... skimmed it actually
 
If this is supposed to be a modern retelling i'm kinda disappointed they didnt revamp superman's costume. But hey if it aint broke right?
 
thats one thing im glad they didnt do... i hate the batman revamp...
 
I'm actually pretty excited for it. Sure, it's been done, but never in the same way twice. Man of Steel isn't anything like Birthright, which in itself isn't really like Secret Origin, which sure as hell isn't very much like Smallville. Same for The Untold Legend of The Batman, Year One, Man Who Falls, Shaman, and Batman Begins. Every writer's got a take on that story, and while the broad strokes aren't very drastic, the minor details are what make them unique from one another.

Plus, **** it... Johns finally on Batman? I'm in.
 
Allright if people are having trouble loading AICN news here's the stuff, here's Superman news:
Bug and JMS talk SUPERMAN: EARTH ONE!

AMBUSH BUG: Tell me a little bit about the premise behind SUPERMAN: EARTH ONE.
J. Michael Straczynski (JMS): There's this notion, which has really become a kind of accepted cliché, that as soon as you get powers, you put on a superhero (or super-villain) costume and you're off to the races. But logically, there would have to come a moment when you have to decide if you actually want to do that, or if you should do that. It's that moment in the Garden of Gethsemane where you have to decide if you want to endure everything that's going to happen to you if you decide to expose yourself.

Clark comes to Metropolis in his 21st year to decide what he really wants to do. And this is someone who can be anyone, do anything. If he keeps his background secret, as he's done for the preceding 21 years, he can be the best athlete the world has ever known, he could be the next Stephen Hawking, could take away the golf crown from Tiger Woods, create patents that could earn billions. He can finally step out of the shadows and into the light.

By contrast, if he chooses to become Superman, then Clark must live forever in the shadows, dedicated to a life of service and self-sacrifice that could eventually get him killed. That's a hard choice for anybody to make, let alone a 21 year old kid who wants to look after his mom and is lured by the idea of money and success and fame. So the story is about Clark's Gethsemane moment, when he has to finally make that choice, why he makes it, and what follows after.

Against this backdrop, we flash back to his life growing up in Smallville, so we can see how the Kents helped mold him and protect him and get him to a point in his life where he can finally make this most difficult of choices.

BUG: How is your take on the younger years of Superman going to be different than previous takes on his origin?

JMS: This is probably one of the most often told and re-told stories in comics history, so you have to be careful to preserve what's established while trying to find areas where you can bring a fresh approach. But I'll be straight up with you: I'm not here to change his story into something it was never intended to be so that I can "make my mark" on the character. It's about respecting the character and his origins. Especially for me, since Superman has always been my number one icon growing up as a kid. Coming from poor surroundings and circumstances where everybody says "forget this idea of being a writer, guys like you who come from nothing always end up at nothing," Superman was what I held onto, the idea of someone who could do anything. My house is filled with enough original Superman artwork, memorabilia and other stuff to constitute a museum. It's probably one of the biggest Superman collections on the Western Seaboard, not because of the collecting instinct, but because that's how much the character has meant to me over the years.

(True story: I was at Chicago Comic-Con a number of years ago, standing in the dealer's room, when some guy grabbed a bunch of expensive items off a table and made a run for it down the aisle, being chased by the owner of the table. Everybody in the aisle did a fast fade, parting before this guy like the Red Sea. I brought the mofo down and the two of us held him for the police. The con organizer later came up to me and said, "Why'd you do that? He was half your age and twice as big, you could've been hurt." I pointed to where I'd been standing, in front of a ten-foot-tall cutout of Superman. "How could I stand under that, in front of him, and do nothing?" I said.)

So to the point of your question, what I'm trying to do is to dig in to the character and look at him through modern eyes. If you were to create the Superman story today, for the first time, but keep intact all that works, what would it look like? As a fledgling writer I used to love going to see productions of Shakespeare because what would often be done would be to take that original play and move it forward in time. So you could have “Two Gentlemen of Verona” set in pre-WW2 Italy...you could have a female Hamlet...or as was recently produced for film, “Richard III” set in a corollary for Nazi Germany. And suddenly the lens through which you view those stories, those plays, colors and changes how you perceive them without changing anything essential.

Here, of course, we're doing more than that because we're not sticking to a script, but the idea is much the same. So in the case of Superman, you take all those elements that work, and infuse them with a modern sensibility, how it would be written today, this minute, if it had just been created for the first time. If I have any one particular strength as a writer, it's taking someone of massive power and making them relatable, sympathetic and vulnerable while not taking an inch away from that incalculable power.

BUG: Are there aspects of Superman's origin that you purposefully left out for the sake of your story?

JMS: The only substantial thing I'm leaving out is the notion of a Superboy. Here, the first time Clark puts on that uniform, it really is his first time.

In reflecting further on the question of changes, probably one of the most changed characters is Jim Olsen, and the most changed atmosphere is that of the Daily Planet. Having worked as a journalist for nearly ten years, I know what a news room is supposed to feel like, and my one ongoing complaint about comics set in those environments is that you (or I) could tell that the writers had never actually worked for a newspaper.

And in any newspaper, the one guy who is the most dangerous guy to stand next to is the photographer, because they'll go anywhere and do anything to get the shot. I recently saw footage where a press photographer was at one of those races that go through city streets, and a car spun out and came right at him. He kept taking pictures as the back end hit the wall to his right, spun out, and the front hit the wall to his left, barely missing him by inches. He never once stopped snapping photos. A good newspaper reporter keeps shooting no matter the danger, so I'm bringing that aspect into Olsen.

The rest of the staff look, act and talk like actual reporters now, and that's a lot of fun. And when we join our story, the Daily Planet is on the downward slide...it's where new reporters come to learn and old reporters come to die. It's what begins to happen in the aftermath of Superman's appearance that starts to reverse their fortunes.

BUG: How do you deal with the delicate tightrope walk of telling stories that matter vs. not straying so far from the status quo that you don't recognize these iconic characters anymore?

JMS: I think it's a matter of respect and keeping the character first. Again, you don't change things just so you can say "I changed that." You have to ask if it proceeds from character. So for instance, one of the elements of the story is the fact that growing up, Clark would have been even more of an outsider than we've seen previously. Every kid gets in schoolyard fights, but Clark would have had to walk away or just take the punches, because if he slipped for even a second, he could kill the other kid. This would have gotten him a reputation as a coward, a weirdo, and he'd have to hear that every day in the schoolyard...and the one thing you know as a kid is that you don't hang with the cowards or the weirdos. So he would've lived a very solitary, rough, and very controlled life, because even a brief lapse could have disastrous consequences. We see a very real sense of isolation in him, which informs his arrival in Metropolis which represents the first time when he can choose the life he wants, rather than having to endure the life he had to endure.

BUG: How does SUPERMAN: EARTH ONE fit in with current continuity? The name suggests that it could be either part of it or an all new start from square one for the character.

JMS: At this juncture, the book operates outside DC continuity. At some point way, way down the road, some of that may be folded in, but again that's a long ways away.

BUG: It seems there is a pretty even split when it comes to whether someone is a Batman fan or a Superman fan. What is it about the character of Superman that appeals to some but not others?

JMS: I think it's a difference between power fantasies and revenge fantasies, with Superman more the former, and Batman more the latter. Not to belabor the previous point, because we all have our childhood horror stories, but I grew up in the mean streets of Newark and Paterson and some of the poorer parts of other towns. We moved 21 times in my first 17 years. Guys like me didn't become writers, they ended up pumping gas or working in machine shops. It was a dead-end lifestyle filled with no. So on the one hand, there was no one I wanted to get revenge against...I just wanted a chance to be somebody, a chance to learn to fly, and to become someone who couldn't get hurt. So I latched on to Superman at a very early age. I've said it before, and it's true: most of my morality I learned from Superman. One of my very earliest memories is an image from a Max Fleischer Superman cartoon where he has his cape over Lois, protecting her from molten metal. I searched for that image for decades before I found it and it's one of the first things you see when you enter my home...that and a mountain of Alex Ross and Curt Swan artwork, and The Triptych: a sketch of Superman signed by Siegel and Shuster, with an autograph by George Reeves tipped into it.

BUG: Can you tell me a little bit about the art in this one and how you worked with artist Shane Davis?

JMS: Because I tend to write from emotion to action, I live or die by the degree to which the artist is able to express emotion. So when Dan DiDio and I began the process of finding an artist, that skill was number one on the list. As soon as I saw Shane's art, I knew he would be right for this, because he can not only get that degree of expressiveness, but he's also really great on action and composition. There's an insane amount of detail in his work. We had a lot of back-and-forth in terms of character design that led to some really cool stuff.

BUG: How do you respond to criticism you've received for delayed titles that you've penned? Was it easier for you to write in this graphic novel format than the monthly grind?

JMS: Let me dive into this for a second, because this is a sore point with me. I was on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN for over eight years, and with only a couple of small glitches that book came out like clockwork. BULLET POINTS: on time. SILVER SURFER REQUIEM: on time. MIDNIGHT NATION: on time. BRAVE AND THE BOLD: on time. When I took on THE TWELVE, I wanted to do it the same as BP and SSR: let me write it all the way through, get most of the art done, then announce it, because in particular I was concerned that there might be some conflicts in scheduling not just with me but with the artist. But when PROJECT SUPERPOWERS was announced, the powers that be at Marvel decided to go ahead before it was ready, and what I was afraid would happen, happened. He got busy, I got busy, then he got busy again, then I got busy again, and it fell off the grid. (Note: the last scripts will be in by year's end.) With Thor, I'll take the rap for a couple of delays, but Marvel also delayed the book to buy time to find another artist. Between the time I finished the script for the last issue, for instance, and its publication, almost four months went by. I have the timestamp on the file to prove it. That ain't my choice, but I get the rap for it.

With all that being said, for me, it's best to do it then announce it, so there are no delays. So when DC came to me about this project, I felt it was important to again say nothing specific about it until it was nearly done. As I write these words, the script is very close to being finished (we're talking a book of well over a hundred pages), and we've got oodles of art finished.

BUG: The graphic novel format has been a preferred reading experience for a growing number of fans. Trade-waiting is a pretty common term I hear thrown around these days. What do you think; does the release of such a high profile product in a graphic novel format signify the end of the monthly single issues?

JMS Not at all. It's like saying that the production of movies signifies the end of dramatic series TV. Each serves a different need, and fills a different niche. If there's anything that is signified by trade-waiting, it's that we need to write better stories. If a reader can wait until it's all done to buy it, then we're not doing our jobs right. We should be writing stories that the reader can't wait to buy as soon as the next installment hits the stands, and then at the end, wants to gather together for ease of re-reading. If a reader can wait it out, then we as creators need to re-evaluate our work. Seriously.

BUG: Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions.

And here's Geoff Johns' on Batman:
Bug continues the EARTH ONE goodness
with BATMAN: EARTH ONE writer Geoff Johns!



To read his work is to love his work. Geoff Johns has become THE man at DC with a track record of hits like few others. Geoff had a chance to answer some questions about the upcoming BATMAN: EARTH ONE graphic novel.

AMBUSH BUG (BUG): So what is BATMAN: EARTH ONE all about?


GEOFF JOHNS (GJ): It’s Gary Frank and I joining together to be a part of the first line of ongoing graphic novel series ever from the big two.

BATMAN: EARTH ONE is more in line with the European idea of releasing chapters of an ongoing series in graphic novel form. We’re planning on doing two novels a year and set in this new universe, we’re getting unlimited creative freedom that we couldn’t have in current continuity.

When Dan Didio asked if Gary and I would be interested in something like this we were onboard immediately. We’re taking on Batman, and the world around him, and rebuilding it from the ground up.

BUG: How do you make an iconic origin like Batman's fresh and different than previous takes on the story?

GJ: Our Batman is a decidedly different Batman yet it is, of course, Bruce Wayne.

I want to let the book will speak for itself, but Batman, Alfred, Detective Gordon, Arkham Manor, the twisted origin behind Gotham City, the Bat-Mobile and, of course, the world’s greatest group of villains are all a part of the world we’re creating. Some of it the characters will more closely resemble the classic interpretations while others will be wildly different. We’re introducing a lot of new characters and elements to this Batman.

The first graphic novel features an entirely new villain.

BUG: Apart from event books and maybe the occasional guest appearance or team book appearance, this is the first time I recall you doing a Bat book. What was it about this project that finally attracted you to Gotham?

GJ: Three words: “Gary Frank” and “freedom.” Obviously, I love long form storytelling. I gravitate to projects I can dive into and reinvent and add to, like Green Lantern. I’ve wanted to work on Batman, but I wanted to wait until the project was right. BATMAN: EARTH ONE allows Gary and I to break the restraints of any continuity and focus on two things: character and story. Add to that the idea of working on a line of graphic novels instead of being limited to twenty-two pages, it’s a challenge and I love a challenge.

BUG: I know you're a multiverse freak. How does BATMAN: EARTH ONE fit in with current continuity? Is it another universe, an Ultimate/All Star style take, or something completely different?

GJ: All of the above.

BUG: I've observed somewhat of a split between those who like Batman and fans of Superman. What is it about Batman that appeals to so many readers?

GJ: I think the grounded nature of Batman. And if there is one word that might sum up our version of Batman it’d be grounded.

BUG: The Joker: insane or sane? And will he be showing up in BATMAN: EARTH ONE?

GJ: If anyone knows my work they know how much I love villains. I’ve been dying to crack into the best rogues’ gallery in comics for years. Eventually, yes -- you’ll see the Joker, but the first well-known villain we’ll be focusing on early in the BATMAN: EARTH ONE graphic novel series is the Riddler.

BUG: Gary Frank has been one of my favorite artists since his INCREDIBLE HULK run. Can you tell us a little bit about how you and he collaborated for this project?

GJ: First off, Gary Frank is one of the greatest partners-in-crime a writer could ever ask for. The amount of thought, care and effort he puts into his work along with the brilliance of his talent makes him someone that I’m chaining myself to. My aspirations are nothing less than to work with Gary Frank until I’m dead.

The fact is, Gary Frank is the single best Superman artist of this generation, but he’s actually a Batman guy. Before we started Superman, we’d talk about Batman at length. We’ve spoken about ideas for Batman since we started working on Superman together. We started brainstorming this project before it even started, discussing what we would do with Batman and where we would take him.

BUG: After doing this project, which do you prefer writing: monthlies or graphic novel sized stories?

GJ: Ask me again in five years.


BUG: What does this graphic novel format say about where the industry is going? A lot of folks are waiting for trade these days. Is this the first step of DC dropping monthlies and cutting out the middleman and going straight to trade?

GJ: I don’t think it has to be the case with either or. Monthlies, graphic novel series, digital, etc. DC is exploring every avenue of publishing. It’s a changing market, but it’s an expanding and growing market, and I’m psyched to be riding the wave up front with Gary and Batman.

Thanks, Geoff, for chatting with us.
 
I'm in for the Batman ones.

**** All Star Superman BTW
 
I'm not sure there's anything significantly you can add to these characters from the Origin story perspective unless the focus is on Lois, Jimmy, and Perry with Superman as a background to flesh out their interactions.

Riddler in Batman maybe cool, but I'm not sure what will make it "Ultimate" other than Batman looks different.
 
Yeah, i mean Batman is already a very grounded, realistic character. All i see them doing is maybe revamping the villains a little bit but they could just do that in the regular titles. (I'd love to see a revamped badass mr. freeze!).

I dont know how they're going to put superman into a modern world simply because people in real life would be able to easily see that Superman is Clark Kent without glasses. Thats one of those silly comic book things that im not sure how is going to translate into a modern setting.
 
im not sure how interested i am in any of these. the batman one seems more intriguing. i like the talent attached to all of them, but the idea seems rather pointless. batman and superman are the last characters that need rehashing. how about putting this effort and talent towards characters that could actually use a boost?
 
So me and a friend we're thinking about modernized characters by design and stuff... How would you guys feel if Catwoman had a stealth costume? Kinda like a ninja-vibe to it abit lol. :P

Personally when it comes to the Joker i really want that anarchy but i really want the whole crime mafia boss. I want to see this guy become the number uno crime boss in like few comic pages and have this story focus on him being the head mobster and whatnot. :D
 
Shane Davis draws SUPERMAN EARTH ONE for new readers

Newsarama: Shane, how did you get involved in the Superman: Earth One project, and what did you think of it when you first heard about it?

Shane Davis: It was pretty intimidating when [DCU Executive Editor] Dan [DiDio] first talked to me about it. His amount of faith in me scared me when he first talked to me about this. I knew this was a really important story, and I was really intimidated by it. I honestly wasn't sure I was the right person for it.

I even said to Dan, you've probably got somebody else who can do this better than me. Whatever I'm doing, there's somebody there who can do it better than me. But Dan thought I was the guy for it. And I fought that, even trying to get them to let me do a different project. I mean, this scared me a lot. I think that's understandable.

Then I thought to myself long and hard for a couple of days, and I read the first 38 pages of the script, and I it dawned on me that I probably am the guy for this, simply because I'm in awe of the project. I'm the right guy because the character's going to come before my ego and myself. And that probably is why I am the best candidate for it.

So rather than talking to Newsarama saying I'm going to do this awesome artwork, I just want everyone to know I wasn't sure if I could do this project justice and I had to think long and hard about even doing it. But that's why I'm the right person to do it. The project means a lot to me, and I want to make sure my artwork lives up to it.

Nrama: You've drawn Superman before in Superman/Batman. The last time we talked, when you were doing Justice League of America, you had said your next project was "returning home" to a character you'd done before. I assume you meant this project?

Davis: I do feel like I'm returning home with Superman, but in a brand new way. But yeah, I knew about it then and was already working on it. It's a graphic novel, so I've been drawing the graphic novel for months now. It's a bit of an experiment, but the way the story is handled is like a novel. So, for example, Page 22 isn't a big splash page cliffhanger. So it's a little different for me, but it's also something that really makes sense for this type of story.

Nrama: How did the process begin for you? Did you dive right in, since you already had drawn the Superman characters before?

Davis: No, I came up with a lot of design stuff first. I wanted to give this version of Superman a lot of attention, and the whole supporting cast too, and give them all a modern look because it's set in modern times.

Nrama: So it doesn't fit with past continuity? It's starting from scratch in current times?

Davis: It's set completely outside current continuity. It's a modern take on Superman's origin, but with respect to that story that already exists. It starts out with Clark, and him leaving Smallville and going to the big city, but Metropolis is a city of today. So even though he still has the story of working at the Daily Planet, it's like a modern newspaper, and the characters speak in modern voices and deal with modern situations. And the design had to match that tone.

Nrama: Were you familiar with Straczynski's writing before?

Davis: Yeah, I was. I read Rising Stars, and some of his Marvel stuff, and his Fantastic Four. His Silver Surfer: Requiem was one of my favorites, and his Thor stuff was awesome. But this story, what he's telling about Clark Kent, is just incredible. Honestly, I have fallen in love with this story. And I fell in love by Page 8. Maybe it's because I'm reading his writing and not the story through a comic book filter, but this is some mind-blowing stuff. I mean, this is his A-game. I've never read anything he's written this well before.
 
So long as Jeph Loeb is never included in these, I see no reason why these shouldnt be a success... plus, I tend to wait for collections anyway, so I have absolutely no problem with the OGN format. Plus, look at those ****ing creative teams!!! :wow:
 
They said that neither of these share the DCU continuity, but do they share each others, unlike the All-Star line?
 
The fact that JMS is writing Superman has me interested but i would rather he just did his own superman story rather than "re-imagine" superman's origin yet again. We've all heard the story a bajillion times, Batman as well.

Though I do share your opinion of preferring JMS writing the regular DCU Superman or Action Comics Superman, I find I'm also mixed considering just how unreliable he is at finishing his commitments. Doing a 'series' of (hopefully) somewhat self-contained "OGNS" will combat that.

And I wouldn't be surrprised if Johns went along because he just wants to have his hand in everything DC has in some way or form and at some point
 
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They said that neither of these share the DCU continuity, but do they share each others, unlike the All-Star line?

I think so. Since they're both called Earth 1.
 
Okay, I've got to admit that the idea of having a straight to graphic novel series does have it's appeal given the nature of the comic book market these days and how there is already a "writing for the trade" mentality that's existed for years. At the same time, however, it does seem as though this sounds as if DC is, just like with their All-Star line, is coming up with an "Ultimate" line which, given how things have been going with Ultimate Marvel, is coming a decade too late. Also, it's interesting to note that the Earth One: Batman costume design really reminds me of an article from Wizard years ago in which they came up with their own "Ultimate DC" versions:

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