Well my best friend's Uncle is dead...

[Kmack]

I agree with you but I don't pity nor despise them for it. They got what they got...simple as that. It is horrible and should have never happened period...but if you play with fire you are bound to get burned.

Yeah, but for people who didn't even know the guy saying that he deserved it is just...insensitive. He might have had some hardships or a $h!tty upbringing and turned to the life of crime (of all things) for satisfaction he may not have found elsewhere. Maybe he's just being, I don't know. Mizzunderstood:heart:

 

[kingman]

The son should have considered his mother before having joined the gang. The mother should have considered the son before letting him join the gang.

Some people do what they have to because they have no other choice... bills have to be paid somehow and people are forced into things like this, the price they pay is bad but it's the only way they can survive in the first place

 

[War Lord]

Some people do what they have to because they have no other choice... bills have to be paid somehow and people are forced into things like this, the price they pay is bad but it's the only way they can survive in the first place

I've always managed to hold a job. People always have a choice in whatever they do. They might have to struggle more than most people to make good choices, but they still have a choice.

America is a large country with lots of opportunity for people who are willing to work hard for their things. Even at minimum wage, a person working 60 hours a week (unpleasent, but not an unreasonable amount of hours) could have a reasonably good lifestyle.

Living a gang lifestyle doesn't have to be a person's path. If enough people would work to make good choices, the gang lifestyle could be a thing of the past.

 

[kingman]

I've always managed to hold a job. People always have a choice in whatever they do. They might have to struggle more than most people to make good choices, but they still have a choice.

America is a large country with lots of opportunity for people who are willing to work hard for their things. Even at minimum wage, a person working 60 hours a week (unpleasent, but not an unreasonable amount of hours) could have a reasonably good lifestyle.

Living a gang lifestyle doesn't have to be a person's path. If enough people would work to make good choices, the gang lifestyle could be a thing of the past.

Well consider this... you are one person who has managed to hold down a job, you might have a good education and probably haven't been discriminated against, but unless you are from the same areas that these peoplehave been brought up you can't say that the opportunity has been presented to them... yes they make their own choices but in the end if you're from a certain place, you are already branded by potential employers which makes it even harder to do anything which in the end results in the life of crime... it could possibly have been a choice when he started but trying to get out of the lifestyle might be more difficult that you or I can understand

 

[War Lord]

Well consider this... you are one person who has managed to hold down a job, you might have a good education and probably haven't been discriminated against, but unless you are from the same areas that these peoplehave been brought up you can't say that the opportunity has been presented to them... yes they make their own choices but in the end if you're from a certain place, you are already branded by potential employers which makes it even harder to do anything which in the end results in the life of crime... it could possibly have been a choice when he started but trying to get out of the lifestyle might be more difficult that you or I can understand

I don't have a good education. I've simply been willing to work very hard and and long and have no life. And because I've been willing to work hard and got my head together, I'm now in a position of getting a business for myself.

I agree that environment has a lot to do with it, but that doesn't make it excusable. Proof of that is that not everybody who has been raised in the ghetto has gone on to become involved in the gang lifestyle. Some, like Colin Powell, have gone on to great things. This would indicate that the real problem is a lack of parenting among these kids. It's well known that parents who are highly involved in their kids' lives that it reduces outside influences greatly.

I've yet to meet a small business owner, who upon being asked to give a guy a chance, wasn't willing to do something to give a helping hand, even if all he could do was give a couple of hours of honest work. Get enough employers to give those few hours and you've got a full-time job. However, if you show up in dreads, with gang colours and gold teeth, don't be surprised if people are extra wary of giving that person a chance.

 

[Wolfwood]

Did your friend's Uncle look somewhat like this?

There's no true gangsters anymore.

Hehe, actually he looked exactly like Sean Paul.

What I meant by being a decent guy was that he was good to his family and friends. Not saying that negates everything he's ever done, just saying that despite everything he ever did there was still this other side to him. It's just too bad he didn't listen to that otherside more.

 

[War Lord]

Hehe, actually he looked exactly like Sean Paul.

What I meant by being a decent guy was that he was good to his family and friends. Not saying that negates everything he's ever done, just saying that despite everything he ever did there was still this other side to him. It's just too bad he didn't listen to that otherside more.

In your opinion, the fact that he cared about his family and friends, but treated everybody else as he wanted to without regard to their well being or safety is supposed to count for something?

 

[tzarinna]

However, if you show up in dreads, with gang colours and gold teeth, don't be surprised if people are extra wary of giving that person a chance.

Drop the dreads,there are many an educated,hard working folk with them.
Bad sterotype.

 

[War Lord]

Drop the dreads,there are many an educated,hard working folk with them.
Bad sterotype.

Doesn't really matter. Basically, if a person presents himself properly and is willing to prove himself, most people are willing to give that person a chance. If they aren't willing to present themselves at their best, than that person can't really expect the benefit of the doubt from others.

 

[Wolfwood]

In your opinion, the fact that he cared about his family and friends, but treated everybody else as he wanted to without regard to their well being or safety is supposed to count for something?

It doesn't excuse any wrongs he ever commited, just saying there was a part of him that was good and it's too bad he didn't rely more on that side, too bad he didn't make better decisions. Doesn't matter anymore though, he's dead and it's his own fault.

 

[War Lord]

It doesn't excuse any wrongs he ever commited, just saying there was a part of him that was good and it's too bad he didn't rely more on that side, too bad he didn't make better decisions. Doesn't matter anymore though, he's dead and it's his own fault.

Nobody is ever completely evil.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I REMEMBER WHEN MY UNCLE SHOT HIMSELF

 

[Gotendbz-2]

Thats sad. I dont like people being killed, but it happens every day.

And as Vash The Stampede once said, I disaprove of suicide the most.


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