Sandman and Venom were basically treated the way Shocker and Rhino would be treated if they made it into the spidey movies.
I 100% agree.No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.
The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.
SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.
Even though Spider-Man 3 was flawed, I do think one of the things it suffered from the most was the fact that it had to come after Spider-Man 2. I mean, if you take away the comparison, I do think Spider-Man 3, in general, is a much stronger film than the first Spidey ...and definitely another great Spider-Man movie. However, it isn't as good as SM2, and it seems that many fanboys still can't accept that.
I remember a review of SM2 when it came out, stating that the movie's only real flaw was that it might be too good, too much for the third movie to ever live up...and for me, at least, that opinion sounds like a very accurate prediction of what actually happened.
I see myself and many others in the high-lighted part. This post is so brutally honest it's scary. I gotta get the hell out of here before anyone sees me...No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.
The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.
SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.
This war is pointless. All the spidey movies are overrated mediocre cartoons. What's there to argue about?
This war is pointless. All the spidey movies are overrated mediocre cartoons. What's there to argue about?
I think your getting BF and B&R confused. BF is considered to be an OK movie which made ALOT of money. It had jim carrey, val kilmer, and tommy lee jones, and was a great movie to the public. The fans were the ones who were dissapointed since it was not up to par with what they expected.Actually, spiderman 3 compares very much to BF, and im not trying to bash but im being honest and if you look at it it makes sense. Spiderman 3 isnt to the same extent as BF because it has the same director and cast, but it shares many simularities from a transitional perspective.Batman Forever? Are you trying to compare this movie with that? Wow...
True, they are overrated mediocre borefests at least thats my opinion on sm2 especially but I wouldn't say sm3 is overrated, actually I think its underrated but I am surprised sm3 made as much money as it has. However, all 3 films are far from perfect and evidently show clear signs of needing improvements.
However, sm2 was woefuly mediocre and critics loved it, hell lots of fans love it....which is beyond me. Praising mediocrity will always come back to bite one on the ass and thats what's happened here. SM3 was always destined to dissapoint to certain people. Sony's advertising and marketing strategies have pretty much been the same for all 3 films, we all know the score, it's just a matter of how much one allows themselves to indulge the hype and in the case of many here, they indulged excessively. Sony aren't to blame, people who labeled sm2 as the ultimate superhero movie when imo it clearly wasn't and who indulge the hype excessively have themselves to blame. When one indulges excessively, expectations can only be too high. SM3 gave us everything prior to its release, yet fanboys as predictable as they are were seeing what they wanted to see or what they hoped to see.
If anything fanboys need to learn how to speculate within reason and all of this includes myself because I consider myself to be a fanboy but I've learned alot and am still learning.![]()
See, that's why I will never understand you. To you SM2 and BB are horrible and GR rules supreme (average movie, but in no way that good).
To me GR was the most cartoon-like hero film made yet. Hell, the finale took place in a set that looked like it belonged in a live action Scooby Doo film.
It was based on one of the later drafts of the script, not necessarily the final script - but the near final script. There's parts in the novel that are significantly different from the movie - specifically where and how Venom & Sandman meet.
Frame this with neon flashing lights. This This is the reason why I don't feel the need to post ad nausea on every comic movie issue (legit or imagined) It's alway nice to see someone nail a point that you have been feeling or thinking at the time, I just had to chime in this time to shout praise. I think you almost set yourself up for heartbreak when you need to know every little aspect of these movies while they are in production. You lose the "surprise" factor (good or bad) when it's over. Using the boards or sites like this is a lost art nowadays. Count me in the camp that thought that the SM trilogy (?) was decent, good, but seriously greatest of all time or "best ever" eh, while the comic or graphic novel to film well is still 1/2 full I'll continue to look to future projects... might be old web head or something else.What I will say is that I do believe that someone somewhere will create something that is going to knock our socks off, I just think people hope beyond all hope that it will be what ever our favorite hero or heroes are. When it's your favorite hero you try to find less fault than if it wasn't. It just amazes me when fanboys become what they hate about everyone else. Again excellent post, 7000+ thank-yous.True, they are overrated mediocre borefests at least thats my opinion on sm2 especially but I wouldn't say sm3 is overrated, actually I think its underrated but I am surprised sm3 made as much money as it has. However, all 3 films are far from perfect and evidently show clear signs of needing improvements.
However, sm2 was woefuly mediocre and critics loved it, hell lots of fans love it....which is beyond me. Praising mediocrity will always come back to bite one on the ass and thats what's happened here. SM3 was always destined to dissapoint to certain people. Sony's advertising and marketing strategies have pretty much been the same for all 3 films, we all know the score, it's just a matter of how much one allows themselves to indulge the hype and in the case of many here, they indulged excessively. Sony aren't to blame, people who labeled sm2 as the ultimate superhero movie when imo it clearly wasn't and who indulge the hype excessively have themselves to blame. When one indulges excessively, expectations can only be too high. SM3 gave us everything prior to its release, yet fanboys as predictable as they are were seeing what they wanted to see or what they hoped to see.
If anything fanboys need to learn how to speculate within reason and all of this includes myself because I consider myself to be a fanboy but I've learned alot and am still learning.![]()