Were Expectations Too High for SM3?

I would say expectations were high for SM3. Its opening numbers are enough to argue that. The swell of support after SM2 coupled with an aggressive advertising campaign and the addition of characters like Venom shown in the previews was sure to draw interest. People liked what they saw in the second movie and most likely expected the third to be better.

Regardless, high expectations don't remove the missteps of the movie.
 
No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.

The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.

SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.
I 100% agree. :up: Great post!
 
Even though Spider-Man 3 was flawed, I do think one of the things it suffered from the most was the fact that it had to come after Spider-Man 2. I mean, if you take away the comparison, I do think Spider-Man 3, in general, is a much stronger film than the first Spidey ...and definitely another great Spider-Man movie. However, it isn't as good as SM2, and it seems that many fanboys still can't accept that.

I remember a review of SM2 when it came out, stating that the movie's only real flaw was that it might be too good, too much for the third movie to ever live up...and for me, at least, that opinion sounds like a very accurate prediction of what actually happened.
 
This war is pointless. All the spidey movies are overrated mediocre cartoons. What's there to argue about?
 
yea they were, just like they were with x-men 3, but x-men 3 was more of a let done, since it sucked a lot more, i actually liked spider-man 3 but i was expecting a lot more
 
Even though Spider-Man 3 was flawed, I do think one of the things it suffered from the most was the fact that it had to come after Spider-Man 2. I mean, if you take away the comparison, I do think Spider-Man 3, in general, is a much stronger film than the first Spidey ...and definitely another great Spider-Man movie. However, it isn't as good as SM2, and it seems that many fanboys still can't accept that.

I remember a review of SM2 when it came out, stating that the movie's only real flaw was that it might be too good, too much for the third movie to ever live up...and for me, at least, that opinion sounds like a very accurate prediction of what actually happened.

Wow. Took the words right out of my mouth. Aside from a bit of poor dialogue and cheese (which the first two films had a bit of), Spider-Man 3 was the most comic-bookish of the three. It wasn't as coherent as the first two but I think the 20+ cut minutes took away from that.

An extended version will change A LOT of minds in my opinion.
 
No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.

The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.

SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.
I see myself and many others in the high-lighted part. This post is so brutally honest it's scary. I gotta get the hell out of here before anyone sees me...:dry:
 
No. The bar was set high for a reason -- the second movie was excellent. The third movie should have and could have been excellent. Honestly, a few simple edits would probably bump the film up in ALOT of people's minds.
 
This war is pointless. All the spidey movies are overrated mediocre cartoons. What's there to argue about?

True, they are overrated mediocre borefests at least thats my opinion on sm2 especially but I wouldn't say sm3 is overrated, actually I think its underrated but I am surprised sm3 made as much money as it has. However, all 3 films are far from perfect and evidently show clear signs of needing improvements.
However, sm2 was woefuly mediocre and critics loved it, hell lots of fans love it....which is beyond me. Praising mediocrity will always come back to bite one on the ass and thats what's happened here. SM3 was always destined to dissapoint to certain people. Sony's advertising and marketing strategies have pretty much been the same for all 3 films, we all know the score, it's just a matter of how much one allows themselves to indulge the hype and in the case of many here, they indulged excessively. Sony aren't to blame, people who labeled sm2 as the ultimate superhero movie when imo it clearly wasn't and who indulge the hype excessively have themselves to blame. When one indulges excessively, expectations can only be too high. SM3 gave us everything prior to its release, yet fanboys as predictable as they are were seeing what they wanted to see or what they hoped to see.

If anything fanboys need to learn how to speculate within reason and all of this includes myself because I consider myself to be a fanboy but I've learned alot and am still learning.:word:
 
This war is pointless. All the spidey movies are overrated mediocre cartoons. What's there to argue about?

See, that's why I will never understand you. To you SM2 and BB are horrible and GR rules supreme (average movie, but in no way that good).

To me GR was the most cartoon-like hero film made yet. Hell, the finale took place in a set that looked like it belonged in a live action Scooby Doo film.
 
Batman Forever? Are you trying to compare this movie with that? Wow...
I think your getting BF and B&R confused. BF is considered to be an OK movie which made ALOT of money. It had jim carrey, val kilmer, and tommy lee jones, and was a great movie to the public. The fans were the ones who were dissapointed since it was not up to par with what they expected.Actually, spiderman 3 compares very much to BF, and im not trying to bash but im being honest and if you look at it it makes sense. Spiderman 3 isnt to the same extent as BF because it has the same director and cast, but it shares many simularities from a transitional perspective.
 
True, they are overrated mediocre borefests at least thats my opinion on sm2 especially but I wouldn't say sm3 is overrated, actually I think its underrated but I am surprised sm3 made as much money as it has. However, all 3 films are far from perfect and evidently show clear signs of needing improvements.
However, sm2 was woefuly mediocre and critics loved it, hell lots of fans love it....which is beyond me. Praising mediocrity will always come back to bite one on the ass and thats what's happened here. SM3 was always destined to dissapoint to certain people. Sony's advertising and marketing strategies have pretty much been the same for all 3 films, we all know the score, it's just a matter of how much one allows themselves to indulge the hype and in the case of many here, they indulged excessively. Sony aren't to blame, people who labeled sm2 as the ultimate superhero movie when imo it clearly wasn't and who indulge the hype excessively have themselves to blame. When one indulges excessively, expectations can only be too high. SM3 gave us everything prior to its release, yet fanboys as predictable as they are were seeing what they wanted to see or what they hoped to see.

If anything fanboys need to learn how to speculate within reason and all of this includes myself because I consider myself to be a fanboy but I've learned alot and am still learning.:word:

Agreed fanboys take things to extremes all the time. OMG best ever or OMG worst ever. Where's the "eh, pretty good" like there is in reality?
 
See, that's why I will never understand you. To you SM2 and BB are horrible and GR rules supreme (average movie, but in no way that good).

To me GR was the most cartoon-like hero film made yet. Hell, the finale took place in a set that looked like it belonged in a live action Scooby Doo film.

see what I'm talking about?
 
See what whose talking about. All I said is I'll never understand you. You seem to be a walking contradiction.

You criticize something that you think is cartoony, yet somehow don't see that ALOT of Ghost Rider is similar to an actual live action cartoon film. IMO, the most cartoonish of the hero films yet. You explain to me why you like Ghost Rider so much... I think it's average, but I also think it's really overly cartoony- especially the finale.

Simply put, explain what you mean instead just tossing out words such as 'cartoon', since that word could easily be applied to GR the most. Unless, you're contradicting yourself?
 
You won't understand me because I know you don't want to, tempest. you've consistently been unreceptive to my points and like a child stick your fingers in your ears and go na na na na na na.

And I know you'll do it again after I post my thoughts here.

I defended ghost rider not because I loved it to death, but because I knew this place would crucify it unfairly. Now leave me alone.
 
LMAOL. Why do you always provide those answers when you don't have anything to explain yourself with? If you don't have an answer, if you're going to reply- at least come up with one thing instead of pointing a finger.

Please, explain to me how Ghost Rider is not similar in style,especially the finale, to a live action cartoon?

I'm not as hard on it as you think I am, really. I still give it a 6-7/10 theatrical cut. It's just it's in my lower ranking, whereas-you seem to put it above the Spidey films and Batman Begins. I may be wrong about your ranking though- it just seems that way. It's a simple question.
 
The expectations were high. People were expecting another "Spider-Man 2" and they didn't get one. Notice that very little criticism for the movie is directed towards the story (excluding the Butler, coincidences, etc.) and more towards screenplay/structure issues (pacing, too many characters, not enough Venom).

I liked the third as much as the first two. It was definetly a shift in pace, seeing how the first two were completely about Peter with him in nearly every scene. Based on everything I've read so far, it seems like another fifteen minutes of Venom hanging around would've made the reviews skyrocket.....
 
Well my expectations for the film were stupidly high and I wasn't disappointed in the slightest. IMO 3 is the best one. People will always find something to complain about, and it is their opinion. But for Spidey 3 was stunning.
 
It was based on one of the later drafts of the script, not necessarily the final script - but the near final script. There's parts in the novel that are significantly different from the movie - specifically where and how Venom & Sandman meet.

I don't think that has anything to do with which draft it was taken from, the novel writer has free will to change parts of the story. The same with the Superman Returns novel.
 
True, they are overrated mediocre borefests at least thats my opinion on sm2 especially but I wouldn't say sm3 is overrated, actually I think its underrated but I am surprised sm3 made as much money as it has. However, all 3 films are far from perfect and evidently show clear signs of needing improvements.
However, sm2 was woefuly mediocre and critics loved it, hell lots of fans love it....which is beyond me. Praising mediocrity will always come back to bite one on the ass and thats what's happened here. SM3 was always destined to dissapoint to certain people. Sony's advertising and marketing strategies have pretty much been the same for all 3 films, we all know the score, it's just a matter of how much one allows themselves to indulge the hype and in the case of many here, they indulged excessively. Sony aren't to blame, people who labeled sm2 as the ultimate superhero movie when imo it clearly wasn't and who indulge the hype excessively have themselves to blame. When one indulges excessively, expectations can only be too high. SM3 gave us everything prior to its release, yet fanboys as predictable as they are were seeing what they wanted to see or what they hoped to see.

If anything fanboys need to learn how to speculate within reason and all of this includes myself because I consider myself to be a fanboy but I've learned alot and am still learning.:word:
Frame this with neon flashing lights. This This is the reason why I don't feel the need to post ad nausea on every comic movie issue (legit or imagined) It's alway nice to see someone nail a point that you have been feeling or thinking at the time, I just had to chime in this time to shout praise. I think you almost set yourself up for heartbreak when you need to know every little aspect of these movies while they are in production. You lose the "surprise" factor (good or bad) when it's over. Using the boards or sites like this is a lost art nowadays. Count me in the camp that thought that the SM trilogy (?) was decent, good, but seriously greatest of all time or "best ever" eh, while the comic or graphic novel to film well is still 1/2 full I'll continue to look to future projects... might be old web head or something else.What I will say is that I do believe that someone somewhere will create something that is going to knock our socks off, I just think people hope beyond all hope that it will be what ever our favorite hero or heroes are. When it's your favorite hero you try to find less fault than if it wasn't. It just amazes me when fanboys become what they hate about everyone else. Again excellent post, 7000+ thank-yous.
 
Allright First off Ghost rider is not better that Any Spider-man Film all ghost rider did was punch,yanck someone with a chain or shoot blackheart then Grab them and tell them "Look into my eyes" and zoom out there dead nothing special about that no action scene at all exept for the helicopter scene,it an average film not better that bb or and spidey film,now were expectations to high yeah the way the promoted the film at comic con,posters,trailers,tv spots the film looked like it would be a great film but many still think it sucked i dont know why but w/e it had a good story,good villians, all it needs is what the novel desribed the film as.
 

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