Were Expectations Too High for SM3?

[pjspider1C]

I mentioned this briefly in another thread, but I think it's worthy of some more discussion.

The general public had really, really, really high expectations for Spider-Man 3. What I'm wondering is if the expectations were so high, that no matter what Raimi and his team did, the film would still suffer from negative criticism. What do you think?

 

[TLH]

Of course they were. It didn't matter what Raimi and co. gave us people would be looking for something to shred.

In truth, the film wasn't perfect but it was definitely worthy of the name and handled many characters, situations, and sequences as well as it could.

 

[Sloth7d]

Yes. Remember, this movie was a continuous to Spider-man 2, considered the best super hero movie of all time by a good majority. It would have gotten bashed one way or another.

Heres a particular veiw that pretty much sums up my thoughts on how the movie is and how it was recieved. It also points out the nitpickyness over alot of trivial matters in the movie that alot of people complain about, making me further believe it wouldn't matter what Raimi would have done.
Review
I still give this movie a 9/10

 

[blind_fury]

no, the expectations for all the Spider-man movies have been terribly low.

 

[pjspider1C]

no, the expectations for all the Spider-man movies have been terribly low.

Um... k? Do you have anything to back that up?

 

[Sloth7d]

Um... k? Do you have anything to back that up?

Sarcasm is a second language to me. Let me translate. He's saying, yes, expectations were high.

 

[Mr Jide]

No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.

The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.

SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.

 

[pjspider1C]

Sarcasm is a second language to me. Let me translate. He's saying, yes, expectations were high.

LOL - good! Just wanted to be sure...

 

[pjspider1C]

No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.

The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.

SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.

Nicely said!!

 

[fabman]

No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that. The general public just wanted to see an entertaining spider-man movie and guess what, the majority of the general public thought sm3 was good enough to make it one of the fastest if not the single fastest movie to make close to a $billion worldwide. SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.

The problem is, fanboys follow the production of these movies to a point where they're criticising the type of tar used to make a freakin' road and then they get all sorts of crazy ideas and hopes as to how they interpret or think things'll pan out. Upon viweing the movie, they get something very different from what they imagined or at least hoped for without thinking things through logically, thus, setting themselves up nicely for a big bowl of dissapointment.

SM3 was an awesome movie, [together with Spider-Man 2] the best of the series. Too many people around here get way too caught up in the hype to an excessive point where the film now becomes destined to dissapoint if it doesn't match what these crazy fanboys fantasised about.

WORD! You are my hero!

 

[The Kid]

yeah it's our fault Venom got shafted, the movie makes no sense, and the movie has a cheap cop-out ending, kirsten dunst singing, the dancing like a goofball which is like a bad comedian desperately trying to entertain.... this was a joke.

I've seen better episodes of Power rangers.

good grief. It's entertaining but no where near great or even good. The sandman birth scene and bruce cambell are what almost save it, but it still sucked.

Batman Forever has a friend.

 

[webhead731]

Batman Forever? Are you trying to compare this movie with that? Wow...

And what was so confusing to you?

 

[The Joker]

No. The general public don't care nor did they hail sm2 the best comic book movie ever, critics and easily pleased fanboys did that.

Your logic makes me laugh sometimes. The exact same thing could be said for any praise given to SM-3. Critics and easily pleased fanboys.

Fact is that it irks you that a superhero movie you dislike is given more praise than one you like

SM3 in less than a month has made more money than what sm2 made in 3 years, that says alot.

Really?? What does it say?? That the box office is the ultimate truth about movies?? Wouldn't that make Titanic the greatest movie ever??

Or maybe it just means that the 3 year gap between Spidey movies has made the audience more anxious. Maybe the inclusion of Venom was a factor.

The fact is that the box office is not a valid indicator about the quality of a movie. Which is why I always found these box office wars between franchises so ******ed.

SM3 was an awesome movie, the best of the series.

In your opinion.

Which frankly is no more valid than the critics or the other fanboys

 

[pjspider1C]

So what do you think, Doc Ock? Do you think SM3 would still get a lot of negative criticism no matter what Raimi and his crew came up with?

 

[webhead731]

What'd you think of Spider-Man 3 Doc?

 

[The Kid]

Batman Forever? Are you trying to compare this movie with that? Wow...

And what was so confusing to you?

I doubt anyone cares what I think, since I'm just an evil troll looking to spoil the fun but ok since you ask so nicely:

clearly this movie was rushed out:

We get no explanation for harry's hallucinations.

We don't understand his motivation for becoming goblin jr. so quickly. Yes, he swore spidey would pay. But that was before he learned his father was a murderous evil villain. Let's see him question this... nope, spidey bad. Me hate spidey. He's a cave man.

I don't need to get into how wasted venom was.

Sandman's a whole new pack of confusion especially concerning his remarkable connection to the murder of uncle ben.

good grief. I do not like this movie. It has its merits but not enough for me to like it. sorry.

 

[The Joker]

So what do you think, Doc Ock? Do you think SM3 would still get a lot of negative criticism no matter what Raimi and his crew came up with?

Not at all.

Alot of the criticisms made are valid ones, IMO. Too many plot lines, under developed characters, ridiculously over the top scenes with Peter etc.

I enjoyed SM-3 alot. Just not as much as the previous two movies. One of the strengths of the first two movies was the attention paid to character development. Every important character was well fleshed out and didn't feel forced.

Sandman and Brock almost felt like after thoughts in SM-3. Especially Brock. Out of the trio of villains, Harry came off the best. And that's only because he's been getting character development since SM-1.

Peter didn't feel like a dark character much in this movie. In two brief scenes he actually came off as threatening. The rest of the time, he was a dancing idiot with a silly hair style.

 

[The Joker]

What'd you think of Spider-Man 3 Doc?

I really liked it. Just not as much as the first two Spidey movies.

If anything, SM-3 proves that too many villains really is a jinx even in the hands of a good director, and you should always let the director tell the story they want to tell, and use the characters they actually like.

 

[fabman]

I think Spider-Man 3 is an amazing movie. It's just not as good as Spider-Man 2 but I think it's near.

 

[webhead731]

I doubt anyone cares what I think, since I'm just an evil troll looking to spoil the fun but ok since you ask so nicely:

clearly this movie was rushed out:

We get no explanation for harry's hallucinations.

Umm, he's the son of the Goblin. That's kind of obvious. Too me it was, atleast. It was a thing in the comics and Animated Series.

We don't understand his motivation for becoming goblin jr. so quickly. Yes, he swore spidey would pay. But that was before he learned his father was a murderous evil villain. Let's see him question this... nope, spidey bad. Me hate spidey. He's a cave man.

The novel explained it more clearly with a scene with Harry seeing his dad in the car window when he left Peter at MJ's show. He got in the car and his father was being assy as usual. But it still makes sense in the movie. Peter tries to explain and Harry apparently doesn't give a crap and it pisses him off more. You can still tell that he was mad at Peter and that little talk with Peter did it. So he decided it was time.
They should've kept the novel stuff in though.

I don't need to get into how wasted venom was.

In a way I agree, but I think for the time he was in the movie they nailed him pretty well. I do wish he was in it longer, or atleast survived for the next one or something like that. I wouldn't say they completley wasted a good character though.

Sandman's a whole new pack of confusion especially concerning his remarkable connection to the murder of uncle ben.

What's so confusing about that? The cops explained it all to Peter, and then Sandman explained the real story to Peter at the end.

good grief. I do not like this movie. It has its merits but not enough for me to like it. sorry.

Don't have to be sorry. It is your opinion. Just trying to clear things up for you a bit.

Just read up there and I just gave my replies to everything.^

 

[TLH]

I really liked it. Just not as much as the first two Spidey movies.

If anything, SM-3 proves that too many villains really is a jinx even in the hands of a good director, and you should always let the director tell the story they want to tell, and use the characters they actually like.

I think the 20+ minutes cut from the theatre release made the problem bigger than it really was. I'm sure Raimi's extra scenes help to flesh out many of the characters moreso, particularly Sandman and Eddie Brock.

 

[Showtime]

The expectations were not too high for this movie, the product quality was too low.

 

[The Kid]

My mistake, I thought you wanted my opinion, not to come up with ways to fill in the movies holes for me.

 

[pjspider1C]

Sandman and Brock almost felt like after thoughts in SM-3. Especially Brock. Out of the trio of villains, Harry came off the best. And that's only because he's been getting character development since SM-1.

Well, in the comics, Sandman didn't kill Uncle Ben, and to my knowledge, he didn't have a family. He was just a thug who could turn into sand. If you ask me, Raimi actually added some good stuff to a character that didn't have much there in the first place.

As for Brock, everything that happens to him in the movie is pretty much the same thing that happens to him in the comics. Again, he's never really been fully multi-dimensional character.

Peter didn't feel like a dark character much in this movie. In two brief scenes he actually came off as threatening. The rest of the time, he was a dancing idiot with a silly hair style.

Peter's not really a dark person to begin with. Before he got the black suit in SM3, he was a nerd who was full of himself. And seeing as though the suit amplifies the characteristics of it's host, that's what you got - an amplified narcisstic nerd.

 

[Showtime]

Just read up there and I just gave my replies to everything.^

Wasn't the novel written based on the script?