Superman Returns What Aspects of Superman Returns do you feel should influence the comics?

[Kane]

They are? I LOVE Chloe. Hopefully, she's not completely like the Chloe in Smallville.

Shes death

I dont think that walking plot device will ever make it into the comics.

Theres no necessity for it.

At one point they wanted to make her a student at Smallville High who was jealous of Conner and Cassie.....but now that Conner is dead, pointless.

 

[charl_huntress]

Naw, having a second Conner Kent would be confusing. I'd rather Kon-El be remembered for having that name alone.

They could use Conner as a middle name though, but religious fanatatics may go ballistic when the child has the initials J.C.

The evidence seems to point to Bruce being the father though, during Infinite Crisis....the timeline was slightly altered...elements from other earths that Luthor brought back slightly influencing Earth Sigma.

Bruce is also supposed to tell Selina that he offers to take full finanicial care of the child etc......so it seems likely.

Bruce gave the kid a college fund and checked the nanny's credentials. If it is his kid, Selena hasn't told him or they are acting like it's no big deal. I'm not convinced totally. We will see, but odds are it's probably his. It just doesn't make sense that she had a kid OYL, and for that entire year Bruce wasn't even in Gotham. *shrugs* I'm not going to buy the altered timeline that IF caused, so they should show him taking a quick trip back to Gotham for whatever reason somewhere toward the end of 52.

Personally, I liked Conner. I like the name Kon-El to. I think it would be a fitting homage to the character, especially if they don't bring him back.

 

[Speedball]

Shes death

She's death, as in the Angel of death?
that would be cool superhero.

 

[Kane]

She's death, as in the Angel of death?
that would be cool superhero.

....

 

[Speedball]

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I mean, make her the Angel of Death.
I said that she should be in the comics, but not the same. What i meant was she should be superhero.

 

[charl_huntress]

Uhh...they arent bringing in Chloe. I dont think the guy who claimed they were really knew because others have said no.

Busiek said it was a possibility, so anything could happen.

Okay, about Birthright....I raised my hand and straight up asked Dan Didio at the DC Panel 2 months ago...

"Will Birthright still be in continuity or is MOS back?"

He said.....neither.

They are working on a new origins that is Silver Age inspired (likely based off the Donner origins) and has no real ties to Birthright or MOS besides the basics.

Thank God!!! Thank God!!! Though, I wish Didio would talk to Busiek about his posting habits because when that question was phrased to him over at the DC boards, he answered in a very ambiguous way.

We likely wont get a whiny ass Lex Luthor hanging around in Smallville and the Kents will be older again...

SV.....retconned

LOL...that will be interesting. We haven't seen the Kents or too many other members of the accompanying cast.

Going back to the question of what aspect SR will add...well I think the crystal tech is going to start featuring more prominently. I definitely think the idea of Lois and Clark having a child will be explored. I think we may here some discussion on the issue. Lex as a scientist/thug/rich guy/villian will be played up more.

I can't think of anything else off the bat because I haven't seen the movie, though some stylistic elements have made their way in already. And, the \S/ already looks very 3-D.

 

[Kane]

Bruce gave the kid a college fund and checked the nanny's credentials. If it is his kid, Selena hasn't told him or they are acting like it's no big deal. I'm not convinced totally. We will see, but odds are it's probably his. It just doesn't make sense that she had a kid OYL, and for that entire year Bruce wasn't even in Gotham. *shrugs* .

He could have impregnated her prior to his leaving or something happened during the 52 where they met, we'll see what happens. The 52 is supposed to explain all.

I still think Bruce will be the dad since Dan basically said were bringing back the 70s Bruce; the hairy chested playboy who isnt some totally dark twisted vigilante 24-7. Theyre trying to bring some light back into his life just like the world that Earth 2 Superman offered him...

Elements of that Earth may have got merged into Sigma in the latest Crisis, so it may play out similar to Earth 2.

Helena Wayne... and I dont think they would name the child Helena if it wasnt both Bruce and Selinas.... theres already been a Helena B who wasnt related to either so this may be their last chance to use that name to bring back the daughter character from the precrisis days.

Personally, I liked Conner. I like the name Kon-El to. I think it would be a fitting homage to the character, especially if they don't bring him back.

I liked Conner too, which is why the name Conner should be exclusive to HIS character only.

Naming another character by the same name would kinda cheapen Kon-El. Conner as a middle name would be the right kind of homage though.

 

[Kane]

I mean, make her the Angel of Death.
I said that she should be in the comics, but not the same. What i meant was she should be superhero.

Make Chloe a superhero? Are you mad....

She saves the day everyweek on Smallville anyways, thats good enough.

 

[charl_huntress]

I mean, make her the Angel of Death.
I said that she should be in the comics, but not the same. What i meant was she should be superhero.

She should be a CIA agent who is a whiz on the computers. She grew up with Clark and left during college because she was recruited to work for the government. She's an ally and sometimes a friend. She never worked at the Daily Planet, but she does have a slight crush on Clark.

That is the only way I want to see Chloe in the comics. As she is now, she's nothing more than redundant proto-Lois and the comics actually have the REAL Lois Lane, so I agree that she shouldn't be like she is in Smallville.

Though, to stray back on OT, are there any elements from the movie you'd like to see?

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Kane, we will have to see. I'm not liking the angle going on in Catwoman right now, so I'm a bit skeptical. Though, naming the kid Helena was cool. Actually, is Helena B still alive. I can't remember her in IF. Did she make it?

 

[Speedball]

Yeah, I don't wanna see the Son named Kon El either.
If he returns, it would be stupid.
Imagine a comic named Superboy Returns. I think the son should be born in that comic, along with the return of Conner.

 

[Kane]

Busiek said it was a possibility, so anything could happen..

Seems doubtful.

Going back to the question of what aspect SR will add...well I think the crystal tech is going to start featuring more prominently. I definitely think the idea of Lois and Clark having a child will be explored. I think we may here some discussion on the issue. Lex as a scientist/thug/rich guy/villian will be played up more.

Luthor already seems to be back to the Mad scientist side a bit, in Up, Up and Away. Hes got a sarcastic sense of humor now.... "Superman, I hate you...."

And he seems to be getting a bit unstable too, which should be fun to watch.


Also, come Action Comics in September, the SR suit will be drawn pretty close (almost exactly) to the film. Does anyone have the sketches of the drawings the new AC artist did?

They were posted here before. Looked amazing.

 

[Speedball]

She should be a CIA agent who is a whiz on the computers. She grew up with Clark and left during college because she was recruited to work for the government. She's an ally and sometimes a friend. She never worked at the Daily Planet, but she does have a slight crush on Clark.

That is the only way I want to see Chloe in the comics. As she is now, she's nothing more than redundant proto-Lois and the comics actually have the REAL Lois Lane, so I agree that she shouldn't be like she is in Smallville.

Though, to stray back on OT, are there any elements from the movie you'd like to see?

Change the CIA to Checkmate. I can see her in Checkmate.

 

[Kane]

Yeah, I don't wanna see the Son named Kon El either.
If he returns, it would be stupid.
Imagine a comic named Superboy Returns. I think the son should be born in that comic, along with the return of Conner.

Conner wont return.

DC also made it pretty clear in that panel about no more bringing back dead characters for the sake of sales.

They did that enough before the crisis and IC was designed as the FINAL goodbye to these characters. Now they are gone forever.

In fact, they said they made Ted Kord's death so brutal and bloody so ppl KNEW that he would never return.

 

[Speedball]

The title would still work with the birth of Superman's son.
And look at my sig, that's the true reason he died.

 

[Kane]

She should be a CIA agent who is a whiz on the computers. She grew up with Clark and left during college because she was recruited to work for the government. She's an ally and sometimes a friend. She never worked at the Daily Planet, but she does have a slight crush on Clark.

I dislike that idea. I dont like adding new characters to Clark's Smallville origins. It should go back to simply Clark, Pete and Lana (Smallville's big three)....Pete was his friend/rival and Lana was his best friend/girl next door. Chloe and Lex are unnecessary.

Kane, we will have to see. I'm not liking the angle going on in Catwoman right now, so I'm a bit skeptical. Though, naming the kid Helena was cool. Actually, is Helena B still alive. I can't remember her in IF. Did she make it.

Helena B is still alive, I'm sure she will continue for some time. Its not like the baby could become Huntress....not for a loooooooong time.

I'd love to see the comics stick with this timeline, watch the characters grow older...and then evolve to that point.

One of the problems with Earth 2 was they had alot of timeline gaps, we missed alot showing the characters growing up.

Now that IC has focused the DCU on a core group of characters, singular versions of them....we can watch them grow for the next 2 decades or more....in possibly real time.

 

[Eros]

Conner wont return.

DC also made it pretty clear in that panel about no more bringing back dead characters for the sake of sales.

They did that enough before the crisis and IC was designed as the FINAL goodbye to these characters. Now they are gone forever.

In fact, they said they made Ted Kord's death so brutal and bloody so ppl KNEW that he would never return.

nobody stays dead in Dc comics, and shame on you to beleive that.

 

[Kane]

The title would still work with the birth of Superman's son.
And look at my sig, that's the true reason he died.

It really had nothing to do with the lawsuit. They needed a big death and Kon-El had served his purpose, his time had come and they wanted a death almost reminiscent of Supergirl's Death in COIE #6.

The lawsuit only reflects Superboy media interpretations on TV and movies ; ie: Smallville or the upcoming LOS lameass cartoon series.

 

[Speedball]

It really had nothing to do with the lawsuit. They needed a big death and Kon-El had served his purpose, his time had come and they wanted a death almost reminiscent of Supergirl's Death in COIE #6.

The lawsuit only reflects Superboy media interpretations on TV and movies ; ie: Smallville or the upcoming LOS lameass cartoon series.

Dude Yuri Lowenthal is the voice of Superboy, that is not lameass.

 

[Kane]

nobody stays dead in Dc comics, and shame on you to beleive that.

They are making a pact to ensure from now on everyone stays dead so they claim. The whole point of IC was to break down the DCU into its core basics and focus in on the characters that matter.

And yes, I believed them because at the panel they seemed extremely serious about it. It was something that was planned for 2 years and theyve layed out some major changes on how theyre going to handle characters in the future.

 

[charl_huntress]

I think I seen the drawings you mentioned. Someone over at SH pointed it out. Yeah, the suit did look the same, or very similar. LOL...I'm not sure that's a good thing, but we will see if that last.

I'm actually not so sure that fans are going to accept sarcastic, slightly mad Lex in opposed to businessman and ruthless Lex. I think we may see this flip flop a few times before they get the right blend. I actually agree with people that Lex should be a businessman with means because it adds to his believability as to having the means to defeat Superman. Thug/sarcastic Lex always usually ends being a corny villian, IMO, in the comics. I'm talking SA stuff mostly, so we will see.

At this point I'm cool with what Busiek has added. I was definitely getting the SR vibe reading #653 with all the Kryptonian technology, but...well...it was a bit confusing because some fo the stuff was so new that I was like...Huh.

Again, we will see. I just hope DC adds the baby. I know some fanboys don't like it, and they have a plethora of reasons for why it won't work, but I think it's good idea and it will add a lot of dramatic tension. The good type of dramatic tension that humanize Supes and makes him relatable while not making him a geek or some agonized soul.

 

[Kane]

Dude Yuri Lowenthal is the voice of Superboy, that is not lameass.

The show is some Teen Titans-like cheap anime, I dislike that garbage strongly.

 

[Kane]

I think I seen the drawings you mentioned. Someone over at SH pointed it out. Yeah, the suit did look the same, or very similar. LOL...I'm not sure that's a good thing, but we will see if that last.

I'm actually not so sure that fans are going to accept sarcastic, slightly mad Lex in opposed to businessman and ruthless Lex. I think we may see this flip flop a few times before they get the right blend. I actually agree with people that Lex should be a businessman with means because it adds to his believability as to having the means to defeat Superman. Thug/sarcastic Lex always usually ends being a corny villian, IMO, in the comics. I'm talking SA stuff mostly, so we will see.

Lex can be both. Crimelord and Businessman. Though I find the sarcastic, slightly mad Lex more interesting now than being 100% businessman/politician. Its been kinda played out that way since 1986 and I welcome some change in his characterization.

I want him to enjoy being an ass, insulting his coherts due to his vast intelligence like Dr House does.

The unstable part could also make him pretty unpredictable and scary. His Hanibal-like tendencies that hes been burying for years could slowly begin to surface.

 

[Steelsheen]

Maybe you should except people have to go forward, Marvel is going forward why should DC backtrack? Batman should not have daughter, Diana Prince is worse then the glasses thing with Clark Kent. Barry allen is gone, accept it. Supergirl is a gimmick character as well was superboy. Marvel comics gave superheros problems and huamn feelings in the 60s, they did so buy realizing things must change. People[and things] never progress if they keep harking back for a time long long gone. I grew up after post crisis, and yet i respect the silver-age things to a degree. But i look at the stuff back then, and realize why things had to change.

has it ever occurred to your highness that there is nothing wrong with looking back to your roots, hmmm? specially in the attempt to be so modern you forget who you were to begin with? applies for human beings, and very well applies to the comic book franchises, since essentially you're dealing with make believe people. suddenly to look back on the rich history that has made it so enduring in the first place is CRIMINAL. i ask you, why do you see it that way? what is so abhorently disgusting about the pre-crisis that you cant stand it being mixed with the elements of post-crisis in the attempt to "move forward"? is it because it will invalidate a good deal of your precious post-crisis? well, boohoo. now you feel what pre-crisis followers went through.

you want to talk gimmicky? three words for you: Death of Superman. the most successful gimmick of all time, even got the national press to weigh in on it.
and the rest of what you said.... geezus. i'm not gonna start with that. i dont want to go waste the rest of my time proving why what you said is heresy to any superhero fan.

No one wears bell bottoms anymore [i hope]. If people brought back "classic" elemets all the time, we would be a in world where black people can't go to th same schools as white people[as were the norm in the silver-age days].

you see, its post like these that reflects the sad state of comic book fandom. what the hell is wrong with you, pulling a race card? you think pre-crisis followers like the old comics because of backward sentiments like that? you obviously dont know much about pre-crisis other than what you see when you browse through an archive.
that's part of the problem of the fandom-- everybody takes things so goddamn seriously. whatever happened to the days where you pick up a comic book and have fun, have some good laughs, let your imagination soar and forget about the real world for a while?

my post was a response to Retconned's questions on what i'd like to bring back. i answered him honestly, the things that bothered me most. you dont like 'em, you didnt have to read them.

 

[Steelsheen]

The show is some Teen Titans-like cheap anime, I dislike that garbage strongly.

well, it is called Teen Titans dude

 

[Kane]

Ya and I was a teenager when it first aired and I still found it lame.

But intelligent cartoons are dead now anyways.

RIP Batman TAS, Superman TAS, JLU, Spider-Man, X-Men, F4/Iron Man etc...