What can Fox etc learn from X3?

[CyberFaust]

they could leart no stop at 2...but that's just a opinion

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

they could leart no stop at 2...but that's just a opinion

Except they really couldn't stop at 2 with the X-Men, given the wide open plot arcs that remained after X2.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

No film really stops at two unless the franchise is surely going nowhere and is losing it's core audience. Films like Saw, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, and even LOTR will always have an audience for success.

The lesson that Fox can learn? None unfortunately. People went to see the film and paid their money for the soundtracks, merchandise, video games, and so on and so forth. In the end Fox hasn't learned anything except that if you put X-Men on a politcally rushed film people will go see it regardless of the behind the scenes politics.

Some fans liked it, some non-fans loved it. I am a fan who absolutely dislikes the film and wish it didn't garner the money it did. Oh well, I look on the bright side of things now. At least Spider-Man, Batman, Iron Man, and Ghost Rider appear to be in good hands.

Now if only they'd made a Hulk sequel without one of the hacks from X3 penning the script.

 

[chaseter]

Fox can learn to take their time with something that can ultimately be a gem.

 

[Mike059jig]

gem being lots of $$$$$$$$$

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

L - E - R - A - N - ???

Yeah right.

Look, these f***s think there's something EPIC about having 99% of the bad guys TORCHED in the last 10 mins of the movie by a DUMBED DOWN and NEUTERED f****n ICON of the X-Men mytho.

ROTFLMAO doesn't begin to cover it.

Just... they haven't and won't learn a goddamn thing.

 

[BMM]

Fox can learn to take their time with something that can ultimately be a gem.

 

[CyberFaust]

if they stoped at 2 lots of people would be happier, hopes are better than dissapointment
if they tried they coul've made a good movie, but x3 is just not thought through

 

[LadyVader]

They couldn't stop at 2, because a trilogy was planned from the start. Better yet, organise yourselves better to insure that the same people will be working on all the movies you have planned. In the end, X-men 3 was damaged by the unexpected.

"Well Bryan Singer left for SR, who could've expected that!?"
"He took James Marsden with him? What were we supposed to do?"

If there's anything Fox can learn is to expect the unexpected. And even Batman hasn't gotten that down yet, and he's Batman!

 

[Electrix]

They have learnt that using effective marketing for a well known franchise works.

They have learnt that a move can be made if rushed.

They should learn that rushing a film doesnt make the final product any better.

They should learn that hiring screenwriters that have a spare option in their contract, and who have never wrote a dark action/drama should not be hired.

They should learn that hiring a director that is well known for making comedies wont work for an X-Men movie as it should.

They should learn to make sure they have director signed rather than just assuming they will return for a sequal and make sure the next director you hire is capable and doesnt want to be their puppet.

 

[La_She-Beast]

^Capable... and creative.

 

[Electrix]

I hope when Matthew Vaughn is out promoting Stardust in July he spills some bean on why he really left, even though most people think they know why anyway.

Saying family reasons was just bull, Vaughn knew what he was taking on when he signed the dotted line. I'm wondering what a Matthew Vaughn film would have looked like. I can remember he said he would include scenes that would shock us and bring us to tears and that it would be like the film Unforgiven where you dont know who the real bad guy is.

Maybe Vaughn wouldnt have made the such a fasted pace film like Ratner.

 

[gambitfire]

Awww... When will it hit you guys that, despite it's flaws, X3 was a great movie and fit well with the first two? The dissapointment you most likely feel is just a longing for content which is based more on the source material. Which, yeah, X3 strayed very far from it. But you have the previous movies to blame for some of X3's "issues." I can probably guarantee that any of you would think X3 is a fantastic movie if you would have never picked up an X-Men comic... So, for some of we avid readers, it may feel like a slap-in-the face. But don't let that cloud your eyes when watching a quality movie.



^That may be a bit off-topic, but, hey, I had to get it out.

You do realize that from many bad reviews, alot of the critics who gave them bad ones probably don't know the whole X-Men mythos.

i think you're preaching your opinion as if it was a fact. You need to realize you're not right. I'm not saying you're wrong, just saying you're not right.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I hope when Matthew Vaughn is out promoting Stardust in July he spills some bean on why he really left, even though most people think they know why anyway.

Saying family reasons was just bull, Vaughn knew what he was taking on when he signed the dotted line. I'm wondering what a Matthew Vaughn film would have looked like. I can remember he said he would include scenes that would shock us and bring us to tears and that it would be like the film Unforgiven where you dont know who the real bad guy is.

Maybe Vaughn wouldnt have made the such a fasted pace film like Ratner.

Matthew Vaughn was the first one who was talking about deaths. The early AICN script review came from the famous "6 day draft" that was done under Vaughn, and much of the film came out the same way as the script review.

A Matthew Vaughn film would still have had the deaths of Cyclops and Xavier, and probably still had the curings of Mystique and Magneto. Only, in the final battle, Vaughn wouldn't have had Wolverine carrying Leech around in a backpack depowering everyone, and Iceman and Kitty getting scorched to skeletons in the Danger Room, but reappearing once the simulation was over.

A Matthew Vaughn film would have been totally lame. A Matthew Vaughn film would have been a Batman & Robin calibur laughing stock.

Under Ratner, at least there was some semblance of the character, emotion, and humanity that Singer instilled, even if it wasn't on the same level of focus.

 

[gambitfire]

You're jumping to a conclusion, there buddy.

A director who's proven he can handle characters and emotion, over a popcorn Director.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have made the choices he made, but that you can't assume his characters would of been emotionless and unhuman compared to Ratners.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Matthew Vaughn was the first one who was talking about deaths. The early AICN script review came from the famous "6 day draft" that was done under Vaughn, and much of the film came out the same way as the script review.

A Matthew Vaughn film would still have had the deaths of Cyclops and Xavier, and probably still had the curings of Mystique and Magneto. Only, in the final battle, Vaughn wouldn't have had Wolverine carrying Leech around in a backpack depowering everyone, and Iceman and Kitty getting scorched to skeletons in the Danger Room, but reappearing once the simulation was over.

A Matthew Vaughn film would have been totally lame. A Matthew Vaughn film would have been a Batman & Robin calibur laughing stock.

Under Ratner, at least there was some semblance of the character, emotion, and humanity that Singer instilled, even if it wasn't on the same level of focus.

I disagree with you there. Just because Wolverine is carrying Leech in a backpack doesn't make it campy at all. Maybe the whole depowering access would've added some more emotion, suspense, and fear to the process during the final battle.

I believe Ratner already made X3 the Batman and Robin laughing stock amongst fanboys and some general audience members, so in a sense it's too late for the Batman and Robin insults. If anything what Ratner did was more campy, less emotional, and cliche than what Vaughn probably would've done.

We have to remember that the Vaughn storyboards were just that. For all we know Kitty and Iceman being scorched probably wouldn't have made it. I remember looking at "The Crow" storyboards and the Skull Cowboy appears more than once. Once at the church after Eric rises from the grave, another when Eric enters the apartment, some of the flashback sequences, and the final appearance when Eric goes to help Sarah.

Bottom line is a lot of storyboard images don't make it into the film at all.

While Vaughn isn't and wasn't my first choice to direct this film, I can honestly say that I'm very curious and wonder what and how he would've done the film.

 

[chaseter]

Well FF2 looks great...lets hope they don't screw up 2 or even 3 when it comes. Maybe they learned their lesson from X3.

 

[Silvermoth]

What can fox learn from X3? Don't screw with fanboys

 

[TKing]

Well FF2 looks great...lets hope they don't screw up 2 or even 3 when it comes. Maybe they learned their lesson from X3.

What lesson? X3, all of the X-films, have made millions of dollars for FOX. As someone suggested, why would they stop at just 2 films?

As long as there is money to be made, FOX will continue making more of these films, whether sequels, prequels, reboot, spin-offs etc.

For those of who that complain X3 was such a "let-down", be thankful that X3 made as money as it did. Because if it didn't, they might have stopped making X-films permanent. We might have had to wait another 15 years before somebody decided to reboot the franchise. At least with all the profits from the X-films, FOX can continue making films of these characters that we love, which is really what it's all about.

 

[Mike059jig]

Because if it didn't, they might have stopped making X-films permanent. We might have had to wait another 15 years before somebody decided to reboot the franchise. At least with all the profits from the X-films, FOX can continue making films of these characters that we love, which is really what it's all about.

that was gonna happen regardless of what X3 made.....I don't see any more x-films...as of now more wolverine not x-men.....

 

[Silvermoth]

What lesson? X3, all of the X-films, have made millions of dollars for FOX. As someone suggested, why would they stop at just 2 films?

As long as there is money to be made, FOX will continue making more of these films, whether sequels, prequels, reboot, spin-offs etc.

For those of who that complain X3 was such a "let-down", be thankful that X3 made as money as it did. Because if it didn't, they might have stopped making X-films permanent. We might have had to wait another 15 years before somebody decided to reboot the franchise. At least with all the profits from the X-films, FOX can continue making films of these characters that we love, which is really what it's all about.

If its not good enough, Its not worth doing. Thats why people are complaining so much. They don't want the same mistakes repeated and I for one don't want to see another Ratners version of the X-men which was totally wrong.

It should be quality not quantity. I'ld rather wait for a great X-film than just have them pumped out and destroyed