X3: Bomb or not?

[Horrorfan]

Considering that X3 has grossed over 400 million worldwide so far on a 260 million dollar budget, you probably think there is no question that the movie was a smash hit.

But I am having a debate with a guy who won't admit he is wrong, and he says x3 is a bomb and fox won't make sequels due to it's ''lackluster performance''. I need some unbiased views (hence why this isn't in the x men section).

Here are the facts:

X Men 3 cost $210 to make, and has grossed $230 in domestic. That's straight into profit, without the extra 200 plus million worldwide.

He says fox announced some spin offs, such as magneto and wolverine, before x3 opened, which is true. But he won't listen to the fact that after x3 opened, fox were enthusiastically discussing sequels, including a young x men movie and emma frost, as well as fast tracking wolverine.

so who do you guys think is right, and why?

Please help me settle this guys and give your opinions.

 

[superion]

It depends on what the actual cost of X3 is with marketing. According to BO Mojo the production alone is $210 million with marketing it would be upwards of $260 to $270 million.

Since the studio only gets 55% of the gross X3 would need over $500 million worldwide to be profitable. If the $210 amount is with marketing then X3 is already profitable with its $230 million domestic and $200 million foreign BO.

 

[Sava]

X3 is a hit, tell him to Shut the f**k up and go look at the numbers

 

[WorthyStevens]

The production budget was $165 million, with marketing it was $210 million.

 

[3dman27]

it was a good movie indeed a hit

 

[dpm07]

X3 was not a bomb. It was a hit. Once the DVD hits, it will be an even bigger hit. It doesn't sound like your friend is very educated. If he were, he'd understand the intricacies of economics and not argue the point with you. You are in the right. The film based on the box office take for Fox is not a bomb. Why doesn't he look at the earnings for Fox if he's so sure it was a bomb. The tale of the tape is in the intake.

 

[Horrorfan]

X3 was not a bomb. It was a hit. Once the DVD hits, it will be an even bigger hit. It doesn't sound like your friend is very educated. If he were, he'd understand the intricacies of economics and not argue the point with you. You are in the right. The film based on the box office take for Fox is not a bomb. Why doesn't he look at the earnings for Fox if he's so sure it was a bomb. The tale of the tape is in the intake.

Yeah he argues that other films, like alien 3 and resurrection and hulk were bombs and asked why there were no sequels (alien 3 and res bombed domestically, but did really well internationally). he seemed to dismiss that the hulk sequel thats being discussed was due to the first making a profit, and he refused to count avp as an alien movie, despite aliens featuring fairly prominantly :0P.


He also didnt take into account that 210 was the budget with marketing, and tried to say that its percentage of profit isnt as high as those with a lower budget (but thats obvious). He claimed that fox wouldnt he happy unless it made about 300 mill domestic (despite not seeming to know anyone inside fox or anything like that; it was a baseless comment).

But thanks guys, I knew I was right. He probably wont admit it but we both know

 

[Majik1387]

Moneywise it's a hit, performance wise it was average, as an X-Men movie it's debatable but I think it's a bomb in that sense.

 

[Cinemaman]

X3 is hit domesticly, but it makes low numbers in overseas.

 

[Horrorfan]

Moneywise it's a hit, performance wise it was average, as an X-Men movie it's debatable but I think it's a bomb in that sense.

I thought it was an excellent X Men movie, and an excellent movie, so I wasn't talking about that. There are enough threads about that anyway.

 

[Horrorfan]

X3 is hit domesticly, but it makes low numbers in overseas.

I'm sorry, 200 plus million world wide is low??? That's crazy talk.

 

[The Riddler]

if x3 is a bomb, superman returns is far beyond that.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Regardless of personal opinion of film quality, the film is a financial hit, that's an obvious fact.

If it were a bomb and it's performance weren't enough to warrent sequels, there wouldn't have been an X2 or an X3.

 

[JackBauer]

okay, I absolutely f***in HATED this movie... but arguing if it was a hit money-wise is just ******ed.

 

[U.S War Machine]

The movie was descent

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

descent: function, noun

an inclination downward, a downward step (as in station or value)

 

[Gamma Ray]

The movie sucked. Of course people came in flocks to go see it, though, because of the first two from Singer.

 

[blind_fury]

X3 was better than X1. And obviously people liked it better then Superman Returns which will be lucky to make 190 million.

 

[Cinemaman]

I'm sorry, 200 plus million world wide is low??? That's crazy talk.

I didn't say anything about worldwide.

I was saying that it didn't make high numbers in overseas and thats all.

 

[Marvel Man]

X3=Hit lol great movie on quality! lol loved it

 

[Aiden]

I didn't say anything about worldwide.

I was saying that it didn't make hugh numbers in worldwide and thats all.

You just said that you weren't talking about Worldwide. But then said you were saying it didn't make large numbers worldwide

X3 was a mediocre movie but was a hit and I think Fox will probably make an X4

I predict it will be the fourth highest grossing movie worldwide this year.

 

[WorthyStevens]

X3 was better than X1. And obviously people liked it better then Superman Returns which will be lucky to make 190 million.

X3 didn't have Pirates to go up against. 'Pirates' is the only reason Superman fell hard this weekend.

 

[Cinemaman]

You just said that you weren't talking about Worldwide. But then said you were saying it didn't make large numbers worldwide

X3 was a mediocre movie but was a hit and I think Fox will probably make an X4

I predict it will be the fourth highest grossing movie worldwide this year.

Oh sorry, I meant overseas. I am a little tired, it is now 1:57 AM in my city.

 

[Aiden]

X3 didn't have Pirates to go up against. 'Pirates' is the only reason Superman fell hard this weekend.

Superman is pretty much done imo

 

[DACrowe]

X3 was a hit. It wasn't a huge hit, but by looking at the bottom dollar (all that Tom Rothman, the bane of comic fans cares about).

I thought the movie sucked, but it was a success. However it was not a great success. It had huge drop offs and terrible legs which indicates below average WOM (those who wanted to see it saw it in the first 4 days and did not seem to have much inclination for repeat viewings or convinced many others to follow it). However, it did open SO HUGE with $108 million in three days (a record as the third biggest opening, now fourth because of POTC2) and made an extra $20 million on a holliday on Memorial day it did exceedingly well.

It did well enough to justify its existance (to studio execs.) and c onsidered a success and bragging puff piece for Tom Rothman as seen in that disgraceful New York Times article that underplays what he did to Singer. However, it dropped enough that it may not justify making a fourth due to the ballooning budget of the X-Men movies (the first underbudgeted at $75 million was followed by $115 million sequel and the third cost $210 million, though that was partly the rush job to beat Superman Returns to theaters).

Sure it opened big enough for talk of a "Young X-Men: The Next Generation" if you will, but due to lackluster legs I think Fox will go with cheaper spin offs like a $100 million Wolverine movie and possibly (though I doubt it will ever come to fruition) Magneto movie. If they do make an X4 expect it to be considerably cheaper made than the third and with a budget more akin to the second one (though if Ratner is in charge don't expect him to have any more finesse when he couldn't match Singer with almost twice the budget).

If any movie underperformed to disappointing box office that threatens the sequel this summer (thus far) look no further than Superman Returns. A generally good movie with good reviews but it was not kinetic and it did not draw an audience with a murky marketing campaign and ended up grossing mildly in its first week. Though it dropped modestly well (solid, though slightly above the preference) is remarkable considering it opened against POTC2, the biggest opening of all time (now), but it is so small to begin with it is still quite disappointing for WB.

And if you want an outright failure look at Mission: Impossible 3 which certainly WON'T get a sequel or the bomb that was Posideon.