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Superman Returns What could have made Superman Returns better

What could have made Superman Returns better?

The existence of Jason (“the kid”) is a fairly crucial element to SR’s central theme of alienation. It’s associated with why Superman leaves Earth and why he still doesn’t feel connected when he returns. So getting rid of Jason is equivalent to saying, “should have made a different movie.” That’s a valid opinion. But it strains the definition of “better.”

Jason actually doesn't have anything to do with why Superman left.
Superman left because Luthor tricked him into doing so.
Superman hoped he could find other survivors, other Kryptonians.
Even though he desperately wanted to be human, he knows he will never truly fit in. That's why he left. He hoped that if he found some answers, maybe even survivors, he wouldn't feel so alienated anymore.

Upon his return, he found that life had moved on without him, and everyone adjusted to a life without him, which effectively put him in a more difficult position then he found himself in when he left in the first place.

Returning to Earth made him see that because the people had moved on, there was no more room for him to fit in, as to where he tried before.

Singer didn't use the newspaper headlines, which said Superman actually announced his departure. If he announced it, there would be far less questions, and people would actually rejoice to see him again, and they would be right to do so. But Singer managed to screw that up too since, by deleting the newspaper intro, he deleted the very (logical) reason everyone would rightfully cheer his return.
 
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Jason actually doesn't have anything to do with why Superman left. Superman left because Luthor tricked him into doing so.

Well, Jason wasn’t even born when Supes left. That point is obvious enough. You’re speaking of the “what” and “how” of the story mechanics; I’m referring to the “why” of plot and theme. Clearly, the thing that Supes was searching for on his trek to Krypton (a reconnection to “home,” possible descendants of survivors) was exactly what he found in Jason. In that respect, Jason is the vital resolution element to the alienation theme. So to simply delete him from the narrative leaves the first part of the plot arc unaddressed and unanswered. To do this deletion properly, you’d essentially have to re-imagine the entire story from scratch. And I’m arguing that this is quite a bit different than “making it better” – which, to my mind, connotes making improvements on an existing structure. If that’s not the object of this exercise, then there’s no point in associating it with something called “Superman Returns” at all or placing the thread in an SR forum. Why not call it “Fresh Ideas for a Superman Movie”?

Btw, at no point in SR is it specified that Supes was tricked into going to Krypton. In any case, it’s not much of a trick. Instead of sending him on a wild, cosmic goose-chase, Lex actually points Supes to the place he wants to go. Odd.

Superman hoped he could find other survivors, other Kryptonians.
Even though he desperately wanted to be human, he knows he will never truly fit in. That's why he left. He hoped that if he found some answers, maybe even survivors, he wouldn't feel so alienated anymore.

Upon his return, he found that life had moved on without him, and everyone adjusted to a life without him, which effectively put him in a more difficult position then he found himself in when he left in the first place.
Yes; I'm with you on these points.

Returning to Earth made him see that because the people had moved on, there was no more room for him to fit in, as to where he tried before.
Sorta. Supes had no problem returning to the routine of being a hero. In fact, it was almost a comfortable refuge for him. It was the personal aspects that remained as unresolved as before (until he discovered Jason).

Singer didn't use the newspaper headlines, which said Superman actually announced his departure. If he announced it, there would be far less questions, and people would actually rejoice to see him again, and they would be right to do so. But Singer managed to screw that up too since, by deleting the newspaper intro, he deleted the very (logical) reason everyone would rightfully cheer his return.
There you go. You’re taking the movie’s story and plot at face value and then making suggestions for improvements based on the existing structure.
 
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Clearly, the thing that Supes was searching for on his trek to Krypton (a reconnection to “home,” possible descendants of survivors) was exactly what he found in Jason. In that respect, Jason is the vital resolution element to the alienation theme.
That's very true. But Jason came into play when Superman returned. So taken literally, it doesn't have anything to do with why he left.
When you take him into account upon his return, it does indeed all add up, since Superman felt alienated, and both his departure, and Jason himself, all add up to him wanting to connect to someone.

Btw, at no point in SR is it specified that Supes was tricked into going to Krypton. In any case, it’s not much of a trick. Instead of sending him on a wild, cosmic goose-chase, Lex actually points Supes to the place he wants to go. Odd.
You're right, it wasn't, but that's the problem exactly. Check, if you will, the Requiem for Krypton making of.
The newspaper intro used there, was actually supposed to be the intro for Superman Returns itself, along with the Return to Krypton scene.
Although no footage exists, Stanford and Luthor's possible scheme detailed tricking Superman away from Earth.
There's also room for subjective interpretation on that part. You could assume Luthor knew it would be laced with Kryptonite, and would literally send Superman to his death.

In the Superman Returns official comic book adaptation (written by Martin Pasko), the scene where Luthor and his gang enter the Fortress of Solitude, actually plays out a little differently.
Bear with me here:
Kitty: Was this his house?
Luthor: You might think that. Most would. But no. He lived among us. This is more of a monument to a long dead and extremely powerful civilization. It's where he learned who he was, and where he came for guidance.
K: What's this, his garage?
L: You're not so far off, Kitty. The leading theory is that he took off in a futile attempt to find his homeworld.
If so, even he would have to rely on a craft of some kind, and I'll bet Gertrude's last dollar that's exactly what used to be parked here.
K: S, did he?... Take off for his homeworld, I mean?
L: Well... we...uhm... gave him a little push.

So far the comic's transcript. But since those scenes don't exist, we'll never know for sure what Singer had planned there.

There you go. You’re taking the movie’s story and plot at face value and then making suggestions for improvements based on the existing structure.
I'm not taking anything at face value. It's just that, Singer (or his team) didn't do a good job at deleting all traces of the footage originally planned. If the newspaper intro was kept, it would have become obvious that Superman announced his departure. That would have also (realistically) explained why the people in the baseball stadium were thrilled to see him.
It's like the others discussed here as well. If he hadn't announced his departure, like the theatrical version suggests, people should have been more hesitant about him returning. They should have been hesitant to a certain point. But they weren't. That's a leftover from that different angle.
Since they probably changed certain aspects of the film during shooting, that also explains why Lois still says Superman left without warning, during their meeting on the rooftop. Because if they had kept the newspaper intro, it would have been clear he actually had, and she would have been less angry with him for it.

It doesn't really matter now, but this is a clear indication that Superman Returns' story could have been so much more.
 
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Current creative decisions going on with MOS just made me appreciate SR that much more :yay:
 
I always appreciated SR, even with its faults. Despite its mirrored image to STM, it had some great action scenes. (The plane, my god, the plane!:))
 
So with SR being a " book end" I guess that Lois stays with Richard Jason gets a cool weekend dad and sup's rides or flys into the sunset I think a good cliff hanger would halve helped SR.
 
Having a real plot outside of the Donner template. I felt like nothing really happened.
 
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I always appreciated SR, even with its faults. Despite its mirrored image to STM, it had some great action scenes. (The plane, my god, the plane!:))

That is by far my favourite scene ever done in a film, it'l be hard to top
 
It is prehaps one of my favorite films of all time. However I think Brandon R. was too skinny.
 
Watching both Superman: The Movie, and Superman Returns, one after the other, front to back, really shows how much material Bryan Singer lifted straight from STM into his own film. Take away all of it, and sadly, you're not left with much. It's nothing more than a STM copy for a new generation. A good copy, but still a copy. And per definition, a copy can never be the original :) :super:
 
I'm currently working on my own fanedit, but I have checked this Restored edit out as well.

EDIT: Turns out this is a very recent edit, since the editor included the Return to Krypton scene after the credits, as well as Martha's date with Ben Hubbard.
Superman then crashes into the farm, and we move to Gertrude and Luthor after that. (More later)
 
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I have only flicked through the Restored cut but can anyone actually tell me whats different about it other than it having the deleted scenes in?
 
Two things that would have made it better for me.

1. Remake, Sequel, Original take, Pick one and the film would have been good, pick more then one like Singer did and your left feeling :huh:

2. If Lex stole the crystals and used them for technology which then in turn would have led to more action.

If those two things were changed I could even get past the kid.
 
Two things that would have made it better for me.

1. Remake, Sequel, Original take, Pick one and the film would have been good, pick more then one like Singer did and your left feeling :huh:

2. If Lex stole the crystals and used them for technology which then in turn would have led to more action.

If those two things were changed I could even get past the kid.

What makes me laugh is he says he'll have advanced alien technology yet doesn't use any.
 
After Lex stole the crystals I expected him to create some alien weapons to use aginst Superman, instead he relies on old Kryptonite again, this really made the confrontation between Supes and Lex become boring and we never got what we thought movie was building up to, as Lex proved to be a dumb and boring villain who once again used the alien tech to create a landmass and used Kryptonite radiation (again) to defeat Supes.
 
After Lex stole the crystals I expected him to create some alien weapons to use aginst Superman, instead he relies on old Kryptonite again, this really made the confrontation between Supes and Lex become boring and we never got what we thought movie was building up to, as Lex proved to be a dumb and boring villain who once again used the alien tech to create a landmass and used Kryptonite radiation (again) to defeat Supes.

That would have been superb
 
After Lex stole the crystals I expected him to create some alien weapons to use aginst Superman, instead he relies on old Kryptonite again, this really made the confrontation between Supes and Lex become boring and we never got what we thought movie was building up to, as Lex proved to be a dumb and boring villain who once again used the alien tech to create a landmass and used Kryptonite radiation (again) to defeat Supes.

I remember that and thought the same thing. It's painful to see they were that close to a good idea and yet it's like their obsession for Donner's film wouldn't let them go there. I will forever wonder what they were thinking.
 
After Lex stole the crystals I expected him to create some alien weapons to use aginst Superman, instead he relies on old Kryptonite again, this really made the confrontation between Supes and Lex become boring and we never got what we thought movie was building up to, as Lex proved to be a dumb and boring villain who once again used the alien tech to create a landmass and used Kryptonite radiation (again) to defeat Supes.

Well, Lex combined Kryptonite and crystals as far as I remember.
 
A couple of things..

First, I would have liked the remnant of Krypton Superman was searching for to either be Argo City or something similar, like a colony of survivors in some sortof jeopardy. I felt there was no reason to believe that a burnt out chunk of Krypton would have any life on it unless there were a distress signal. As it is in the movie, human astronomers found it, and I doubt there was any way they could tell if it had life on it, but knowing it's a chunk of a planet that was obliterated by a supernova would tell anyone with common sense that there wouldn't be life on it. If they used Argo City, they could also take the opportunity to introduce Supergirl.

Second, Lex should have had a more interesting plan for the crystals he took. Maybe they could have been data crystals with all sorts of scientific and technological knowledge on them he could put to use. The way things played out in the movie, it was like some sortof cruel joke by Singer. He made us think Lex had some grand plan and it turned out to be another land plot, except so much more ridiculous. It was almost as if it were meant to be funny reference to the first movie rather than a serious villain plot.
 
You know, i would love RedLetterMedia to dissect Superman Returns like in his Star Wars PT reviews.
 
One more thing, It's really not a great idea to have the movie end with Superman telling Lois the he's "always around" when for the first five years of his kids life he wasn't.
 
the lack of action was the main problem

lois lane sucked aswell
 
IMHO, the film suffered most due to the insincerity of the acting. I didn't buy any of the characters and kept wishing they were more like their comic book counterparts. Lex could have been darker. Superman should have been much more confident and the others I never really bought.

As far as plot issues, the only real one I didn't care for was the kid. The other ideas could have been worked out, but the kid was a deal breaker.
 

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