The Dark Knight What 'departures from canon' are not acceptable to you?

[Kritish]

This is almost ban-worthy material. Almost.

I know...

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Trying to use Nolan's version to justify an overly violent and realistic Batman?

I think that's kinda an odd thing to say. I mean, we already got an overly vioent Batman before. And a violent Batman isn't anything new, either.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The hardcore comic nerds won't win this battle. Nolan wants a film that is realistic and appeals to the masses, not comic freaks. I really don't want the Joker to look like he does in the comics, it clashes with the Nolan look and feel. I think he's going to wear street cloths and no lip stick.

I think this is wrong.

I think Nolan wants, and has with Batman Begins, to do something that ALL can enjoy. Fans, and regualr people. Batman Begins is PROOF that he has the comic book fans in mind, instead of ass****ing them so to please the "masses".

 

[StorminNorman]

If WB thought the fans wanted an uber realistic Batman film to be made, Nolan would of never been hired.

They would of gone with Miller/Arfonsky's Year One script.

 

[The Batman]

Trying to use Nolan's version to justify an overly violent and realistic Batman?

I think that's kinda an odd thing to say. I mean, we already got an overly vioent Batman before. And a violent Batman isn't anything new, either.

Gee, i didnt know there have been R rated batman films where the villains are uber violent and realistic to the point that only 18 year olds can watch it. Are you saying that B89 and BR were overly violent? LMAO.

In my time on these boards, i've heard people ask to do away with the comic interpretation of joker and make him a cliche serial killer, all while saying it would fit nolans vision. It's not an odd thing to say at all, as most of nolans supporters dont understand what nolans trying to do. He's not being as realistic as people think. The reality of it is, alot of nolan supporters, imo, basically want arnofsky's YO without all the extreme changes to bruces origin.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Gee, i didnt know there have been R rated batman films where the villains are uber violent and realistic to the point that only 18 year olds can watch it. Are you saying that B89 and BR were overly violent? LMAO.

Well, when you say overly violent.....I'm assuming you mean as violent as a Batman CAN be. Batman isn't the Punisher. He won't cut a guy's head off with a chainsaw, or chop off a man's legs one by one. Or cut a man's throat open.

So, sorry.....I didn't know you meant The Punisher would be the Batman in what you said.

Batman killed. Alot. I thought you meant violent in that nature. He blew a guy to bits. Set a man on fire.

But, that's all fun and games, of course.

In my time on these boards, i've heard people ask to do away with the comic interpretation of joker and make him a cliche serial killer, all while saying it would fit nolans vision. It's not an odd thing to say at all, as most of nolans supporters dont understand what nolans trying to do. He's not being as realistic as people think. The reality of it is, alot of nolan supporters, imo, basically want arnofsky's YO without all the extreme changes to bruces origin.

Agreed 100%.

It's odd, how people act like Batman Begins is a documentary or something. I think it creates a giant rift between the Batman Begins fans and the outsiders...b/c THOSE fans seem to scare the christ out of people questioning TDK.

And, your right....there are people who are kinda selling Nolan short just b/c they think they get what he's doing.

Batman Begins has a sense of realism. But, it's not realistic. There's a lot of fantasy going on there.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

It's odd, how people act like Batman Begins is a documentary or something. I think it creates a giant rift between the Batman Begins fans and the outsiders...b/c THOSE fans seem to scare the christ out of people questioning TDK.

And, your right....there are people who are kinda selling Nolan short just b/c they think they get what he's doing.

Batman Begins has a sense of realism. But, it's not realistic. There's a lot of fantasy going on there.

I think the realism-pushers are going to be very surprised with what Nolan does in TDK, and they'll realize he was setting them up from the get-go.

The establishment of the real world Gotham was a necessary "evil" (in the eyes of some) in order for characters like Joker to properly stun audiences.

A twisted, psychotic, comic book villain in a twisted psychotic comic book world? Great (Burton).

A twisted, psychotic comic book villain in a "normal" world? Even better (Nolan).

 

[Darkest Knight]

I think the realism-pushers are going to be very surprised with what Nolan does in TDK, and they'll realize he was setting them up from the get-go.

The establishment of the real world Gotham was a necessary "evil" (in the eyes of some) in order for characters like Joker to properly stun audiences.

A twisted, psychotic, comic book villain in a twisted psychotic comic book world? Great (Burton).

A twisted, psychotic comic book villain in a "normal" world? Even better (Nolan).

Exactly. The latter is the best. He grounded the new universe in reality, so when it takes a turn for the worse (whole theme of escelation) it is truly absurd and shocking.

 

[Arkard]

You know what sums up this post nice?
In Batman Returns... The Penguin was a sewage mutant who looked bad, smelled bad and had skid marks. Yet, such a creature, as bizzare as it was, was not such out of place in Burton's Gotham. In Nolan's Gotham, he would be put in a cage and handled with tranquilizer guns.

 

[Darkest Knight]

That's the point. In the comics, when these "freaks" come on the scene they truly take people bu suprise with their bizzare antics. Nolan is setting up the exact same scenario.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, I think it's actually the 101 of basic storytelling. If you put the hero in a grounded reality......(not real, but grounded...."normal" for THAT world), making the hero who can do all these amazing things seem even more extraordinary.

And, after watching THE PRESTIGE.....It's apparent to me that Nolan can go to the far reaches of fantasy when he wants.

The ending of Batman Begins was clear about it, I felt. Even the interview Nolan gave a while back. Escalation. Things are going to get worse. A lot worse, before they get better. It means Gotham is in for a tough ride.

And Jimbo mentioned it too, theatrics. Talking about escalation and how a man jumping off rooftops can....well....just imagine.

 

[The Batman]

Well, when you say overly violent.....I'm assuming you mean as violent as a Batman CAN be. Batman isn't the Punisher. He won't cut a guy's head off with a chainsaw, or chop off a man's legs one by one. Or cut a man's throat open.

So, sorry.....I didn't know you meant The Punisher would be the Batman in what you said.

Batman killed. Alot. I thought you meant violent in that nature. He blew a guy to bits. Set a man on fire.

But, that's all fun and games, of course.



Agreed 100%.

It's odd, how people act like Batman Begins is a documentary or something. I think it creates a giant rift between the Batman Begins fans and the outsiders...b/c THOSE fans seem to scare the christ out of people questioning TDK.

And, your right....there are people who are kinda selling Nolan short just b/c they think they get what he's doing.

Batman Begins has a sense of realism. But, it's not realistic. There's a lot of fantasy going on there.

Donner's Superman flicks basically do the same thing....no one really wears anything outlandish outside of superman, the city looks realistic as hell, etc. Some of these diehard begins fans dont get it whatsoever. Nolan was inspired by the adventure films of the 1970's...


About the burton films, they werent really violent. He killed people, but they didnt get all gory and what not. some batfans honestly want an r rated film for whatever reason, where most versions of batman never get that bloody or violent

 

[The Guard]

You know what sums up this post nice?

In Batman Returns... The Penguin was a sewage mutant who looked bad, smelled bad and had skid marks. Yet, such a creature, as bizzare as it was, was not such out of place in Burton's Gotham. In Nolan's Gotham, he would be put in a cage and handled with tranquilizer guns.

They were talking about "the hideous Penguin Man in the sewers". He was clearly "out of place" and clearly regarded as a freak until Shreck and the media turned him into a hero.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

They were talking about "the hideous Penguin Man in the sewers". He was clearly "out of place" and clearly regarded as a freak until Shreck and the media turned him into a hero.

Guarderonimus Maximus... allow me to submit that yes, while the people in Burton's world did react negatively to Penguin's presence, he seemed to belong in that version of Gotham City. He fit there.

And you gotta admit... he played that stinkin' city like a harp from Hell.

 

[itsthebatman]

God Almighty... Begins fans get it in the neck enough from all the Burtonites who go on about the superiority of the Burton movies, without having to get it from other Begins fans who think they don't 'get' what Nolan has lined up for the next movie. I don't know what Burton intends to do with Joker. Anybody who thinks they do is just engaging in wish fulfillment.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Guarderonimus Maximus... allow me to submit that yes, while the people in Burton's world did react negatively to Penguin's presence, he seemed to belong in that version of Gotham City. He fit there.

And you gotta admit... he played that stinkin' city like a harp from Hell.

The people of Burton's Gotham have always been pretty nonchalant about letting the freaks have the run of the place.

Just ask the cops and citizens who indulged in a known serial killer's party parade. I know, "Gotham's Greed" and all, but hubba hubba hubba, money money money..what are they morons?

 

[Miranda Fox]

The people of Burton's Gotham have always been pretty nonchalant about letting the freaks have the run of the place.

Just ask the cops and citizens who indulged in a known serial killer's party parade. I know, "Gotham's Greed" and all, but hubba hubba hubba, money money money..what are they morons?

*dies of lol*

As much as I do *heart* Nicholson's Joker, that's a fairly accurate assesment of why I don't rate B89 as much as most people do.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

*dies of lol*

As much as I do *heart* Nicholson's Joker, that's a fairly accurate assesment of why I don't rate B89 as much as most people do.

Yeah, I grew up on B89 and it's very close to my heart. But for every supposed error by Nolan someone can point out, I'll see it and I'll raise them one big Burton blunder.

It's why I love when people attack the microwave emitter angle. Sure, it's silly psuedo-science, but at least its a relatively clever way of explaining how a terrorist can inconspicuously disperse a deadly toxin.

But no, that's too far-fetched. A serial murderer and his armed goons being allowed to parade through the streets with giant balloons is much more logical.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah, I grew up on B89 and it's very close to my heart. But for every supposed error by Nolan someone can point out, I'll see it and I'll raise them one big Burton blunder.

It's why I love when people attack the microwave emitter angle. Sure, it's silly psuedo-science, but at least its a relatively clever way of explaining how a terrorist can inconspicuously disperse a deadly toxin.

But no, that's too far-fetched. A serial murderer and his armed goons being allowed to parade through the streets with giant balloons is much more logical.

Wow. What did you do, steal my brain?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The people of Burton's Gotham have always been pretty nonchalant about letting the freaks have the run of the place.

Just ask the cops and citizens who indulged in a known serial killer's party parade. I know, "Gotham's Greed" and all, but hubba hubba hubba, money money money..what are they morons?

LOL!!!

Yes, or how about the way Batman gives Gordon the bat-signal, and Gordon, who has been wanting to arrest Batman throughout the film, is suddenly all chuffed, "we received a letter from Batman this morning!"

Eh? Why do you trust Batman now? Because he apparently threw the Joker off a roof?!?!?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Wow. What did you do, steal my brain?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

LOL!!!


Eh? Why do you trust Batman now? Because he apparently threw the Joker off a roof?!?!?

Because he was at home washing his tights. And they came out sparkling clean.

Gothamites are attracted to shiny things. Especially Gossip Gertie.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

LOL!!!

Yes, or how about the way Batman gives Gordon the bat-signal, and Gordon, who has been wanting to arrest Batman throughout the film, is suddenly all chuffed, "we received a letter from Batman this morning!"

Gordon has been shagging Harvey Dent's wife on the side. He was in a good mood that morning.

(I fill in the characterization gaps with my own fun backstories. You should try it sometime!)

 

[Keyser Sushi]

LOL!!!

"YOU'RE the next contestant on... BRAIN DRAIN!!!!"

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Because he was at home washing his tights. And they came out sparkling clean.

Gothamites are attracted to shiny things. Especially Gossip Gertie.

Oh YOO-HOO, Batsie! What's your secret to getting blood off your hands? GOTHAM MUST KNOW!"