The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What Did You Not Like?(Spoilers!!!)

[Krystal]

regardless, Harry Goblin as the only villain would've been a bad call anyway

Right---having the only villain be a rehash of one of the original 3 movie villains would have been suicide.

Still don't know why they don't use Kraven, Vulture or Scorpion up to now---but give us Goblin again and tease Doc Ock

 

[Par Avion]

regardless, Harry Goblin as the only villain would've been a bad call anyway

Why is that?

what do you mean?

It means that the story shouldn't be worked around bringing one moment to fruition, that the moment should be an organic, natural result of how the story has developed.

In this case, they worked the entire story/plot around having Gwen die, which meant adding another villain to disguise the fact that they were doing the "the night Gwen Stacy died" storyline, and shoe-horning Harry in and fast-tracking his development just so he could transform and kill Gwen. None of it felt organic or well paced.

 

[Frodo]

A

Why is that?



It means that the story shouldn't be worked around bringing one moment to fruition, that the moment should be an organic, natural result of how the story has developed.

In this case, they worked the entire story/plot around having Gwen die, which meant adding another villain to disguise the fact that they were doing the "the night Gwen Stacy died" storyline, and shoe-horning Harry in and fast-tracking his development just so he could transform and kill Gwen. None of it felt organic or well paced.

I actually found Harry's transformation and becoming GG laughably lazy writing wise. I kinda laughed to myself when he first Mets Spidey and Gwen since the three of them are just silently staring at each other . It was like somebody forgot a line and the three of them were like, "okay, what do we do now?".

 

[venom892]

what do you mean?

I mean that they shouldn't decide to kill Gwen and then build a whole story around not making it obvious. They should have build a story and then decided if Gwen's fate fit in organically.

 

[Drizzle]

The thing that bothered me most with this movie? I didn't like that people were just standing around in the last scene when Rhino was going on a rampage through the streets. When someone is shooting the **** out of everything in a giant metal suit, nobody sticks around to watch. They run the **** away. Especially when they have a kid with them. And what cops would just let a kid run past the barricade? Stupid.

I also didn't like Max Dillon. Jamie Foxx cannot play awkward. Did he really need a combover. Once he transformed, I was fine with what they did with Electro.

Those were my two major gripes.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I thought it was pretty weird that the bad guy was a pathetic, deranged, mentally ill (implied schizophrenic) black man who our white hero hoses down in the street triumphantly.

I thought it was weird that the movie nudged us toward empathizing with him and then had him die violently without redemption. The movie itself doesn't treat Max with any less of the condescension, neglect, and cruelty than the characters do.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I mean that they shouldn't decide to kill Gwen and then build a whole story around not making it obvious. They should have build a story and then decided if Gwen's fate fit in organically.

This.

I thought Gwen's death scene itself was pretty horrific but I thought the context it was in was sorta icky. The movie's resolution is about Peter getting over her death, so the movie ends by resolving an arc that wasn't there until 10 minutes prior.

 

[Streetlight]

If Max had had a redemption story that might have made him joining the SInister SIx very forced...

 

[Par Avion]

I thought it was pretty weird that the bad guy was a pathetic, deranged, mentally ill (implied schizophrenic) black man who our white hero hoses down in the street triumphantly.

I thought it was weird that the movie nudged us toward empathizing with him and then had him die violently without redemption. The movie itself doesn't treat Max with any less of the condescension, neglect, and cruelty than the characters do.

This.

I thought Gwen's death scene itself was pretty horrific but I thought the context it was in was sorta icky. The movie's resolution is about Peter getting over her death, so the movie ends by resolving an arc that wasn't there until 10 minutes prior.

All fair points

particularly regarding Max's totally incomplete "character arc" (if you can even call it that) and the unsettling context of Gwen's death and subsequent denouement (more proof this film was directionless).

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I don't think I liked the line "Time to light my candles!"

just about as bad as "I'm getting STRONGER everyday" from the first one.

(disclaimer: this is coming from someone who prefers Webb's Spider-Man films...)

 

[Par Avion]

If Max had had a redemption story that might have made him joining the SInister SIx very forced...

As it is, it made TASM2 feel very heal-hearted and incomplete. Is it worth it?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Where to begin.

- Spider-Dad action. A stupid subplot nobody really truly cared about to begin with is brushed off in the opening sequence. Proving that it was a mistake to include this in the first place.

- The chase while fun at times is hampered by Spider-Man's constant joking. This is what I've been talking about for years here. You joke so much, (which Spider-Man seemed to do most of the time here) I can't take him seriously as a hero. It's just one of those things that works better in the comics. It doesn't help with the directing and writing and acting.

- Paul Giamatti was a bit over the top

- Andrew Garfield. He has it in him to be an incredible Peter Parker. But he just isn't Peter Parker in these movies. He's a sulking prick who seems stuck only on one person. I've seen him more Peter Parker like outside these movies than in them. The Social Network and Boy A. Those prove that with the proper director and script, he can be great. But that is never lived up to.

- What should have been the B plot was the A plot. What was Peter's problem in this movie? I guess it was Gwen since she would die. But that does not mean you make it all about that. Make Peter stand on his own two feet and give him an independent journey that's confluent with the rest of the film and Gwen. There just was no focus. There was no clear discernible problem for Peter that tested him and made him grow as a human being to be a better hero. Spider-Man 3 with all its faults, at least had an honest to God central theme and journey for Peter to go on.

- Garfield and Stone - there is chemistry there, but it's not fully utilized with bad writing and directing. The nose tapping scene. What the **** was that?? Am I watching a Spider-Man film or a quirky romantic comedy, Webb? This isn't 500 Days of Summer. So yeah, pretty much anything meaningful that had to be said was skipped in favor of that ****.

- Stone - would have made a much better MJ. She's just Emma Stone doing what Emma Stone does. But blonde. Except she's blonde now, so I guess she's just Emma Stone.

- Peter stalking Gwen and telling her like it was no big deal.

- When Gwen tells Peter she is gong to Oxford, what does Peter do? He sulks. Instead of going out to be Spider-Man to ease the pain, he sulks in his bed and puts his ear phones in. Because you know, while in your bed listening to music, crime in New York suddenly stops. I don't think Webb and co know this, but when you're a super hero, you can use that alter ego as an outlet to ease your pain and make good of it. But no, Peter prefers music. Philip Philips to be exact. Then SUDDENLY. We revisit the old endearing sub plot that was so proudly marketed and rooted back to the first film yet somehow has less significance in the grand scheme of this convoluted ass plot.

- Aunt May scared as **** about Peter finding out about her night job as a nurse. Then when she tells him it's like… no big deal? Forced conflict that leads to nothing.

Spider-Man's "I Love You" message on the bridge advertising to his enemies that Spider-Man loves somebody. Follow that by Peter mask less on a bridge making out with Gwen. But with all that speculation avoid over montage at the beginning, one would think these new hungry Spider-Man obsessed people would be all over that and film it.

- Peter going to London with Gwen. I know this happened in the comics, but it completely falls on its face here because in this context, Peter is so clingy and needy of Gwen that him going to London makes him look like a selfish prick.

And just about the most cringe inducing moment. That ****ing montage with that song. Good God. At least dancing Peter is laughable. This is just horrifyingly excruciating.

- Dane Dehaan. Another problem. Great casting but horrible execution. They butchered the Harry character. So where to begin. Harry is a sketch ball from the get go with really no redemptive qualities. All of the tragedy between Harry and Norman is gone. Instead Harry is just mitigated to a little brat. We begin with assuming that with no aforementioned context that Peter and Harry have been past best friends. How do we know this? We are TOLD through clunky dialogue and exposition. Then there's this awkward stone skipping scene making us assume these two are best buds.

So let me get this straight: We all have long past friends we haven't spoken to in ten years. If I were to see an article writing about my best friend and a family tragedy, I highly doubt I'd go out of my way to find him and then tell the audience we were past friends. I'd say, "Man, that's too bad." And carry on with my life.

Backing up, let's go to that horrible Norman scene. Instead of being shown their relationship, we are yet again, TOLD what it was. So this scene is all about exposition and foreshadowing to what's to come (like that stupid disease) and before there is anything meaningful, Norman dies. Oh, and that disease that takes a near lifetime to kill Norman, suddenly is killing Harry right after he tells them. How do we know? Because after he tells him, there is already a scab on his neck that magically appears.

Harry's story is just about the most illogical part of this movie. So he has this disease. Oh, and Oscorp now. A whole team of world class scientists who could study this thing if he only just asked. But instead for needed tension, Harry for some reason has to go to Peter to give him his blood. Why? Because Peter's father had some stupid special blood that he was afraid would get out. So Peter says no. Why exactly? Because Peter is afraid it would be misused. Well guess what by saying no, Harry does exactly the same thing that Peter didn't want.

Because Spider-Man has regenerative powers? When the **** has Spider-Man EVER had regenerative powers. Well HE DOES NOW!

Peter, you could have given him the blood. Jesus man. I thought this was your best friend you knew ten years ago because you told us. And even if you did, Harry could still easily get his world class team of scientists to solve the problem. But nope, that's too reasonable.

So when Harry takes the serum, and collapses, and the gun going from his hand, instead of shooting the prick who wanted to kill him, the bald man just runs off. So now Harry is turning all goblin like. And out of convenience, there is this armor that he somehow magically knows how to get into and use. So all of this happened because of two things: Peter being a selfish prick because he said no. And I guess that made Harry REALLY angry.

I'm not even on Electro yet.

You gotta hand it to a film that gets its villain inspiration from Batman Forever. And to be honest, Batman Forever is a much better movie. So Edward Nygma -- I'm sorry, Jim Carrey. Wait. Jaimie Foxx plays Max Dillon who is obsessed with Spider-Man. To be kept from ****ing a picture of Spider-Man he works at Oscorp, who never once has any contact with Peter Parker, except Gwen who tells her that what we already know. And then turns into Electro. Seriously, one of the weakest character motivations I've ever seen for a villain in a comic book film. At least in execution. He does these things because… because… Spider-Man forgot his name from when he so condescendingly said that he was his friend? Okay… so Spider-Man defeats him with a lot of water and he's sent to Ravencroft. And dunked in water to keep him conveniently out of the plot to make more room for the illogical Harry sub plot. Or main plot. I couldn't ****ing tell.

So when Harry breaks him out, what prompts him to help is… wait for it. Because Harry really needs him! He needs him guys! It's not quite Spider-Man, but I guess Electro found his new crush. So Electro is fully a bad guy now guys. This has got to be the most childish motivation I have ever seen. It's worse that this is Jaimie ****ing Foxx.

So now Electro dies (poor Max I hardly knew yee. I mean really. We didn't know you that well) one would think they'd save him for Sinister Six. Because pre-existing characters would help. But I guess Oscorp now just lazily pumps out all the villains in some villain room).

And Harry comes in, and still knows how to use the glider and has worked on quite a nice cackle. Things happen and then Spider-Man's web turns into a hand to reach Gwen, but even that can't save her. Maybe he should have tried to not be so cute.

So Gwen dies and it's all sad I guess. Because Peter cries. Such an iconic scene is wasted because everything surrounding it is just poorly done.

So five months later, Spider-Man's gone. As Aunt May is putting away her metaphorical baggage by telling us that it is, she says that Spider-Man's been gone and it's a shame because the world needs him. Aunt May putting away boxes in the foreground telling a background Peter about how Spider-Man's been gone. Hmmm. Where have I seen that before? This is just so clunky. When Spider-Man quits, or any superhero for that matter, it's kind of a big deal. So the fact it's just brushed off in the last ten minutes of the film makes Peter even more selfish. There was nothing earlier to indicate Peter could quit. Oh, wait, that was Gwen so without Gwen, Peter can't be Spider-Man anymore. You think Peter would make the best out of it, despite all the pain, even if it's half hearted, he'd still be Spider-Man in some way.

The shamelessly cheesy Ravencroft after credits (wait, ten minutes til the credits) scene with The Gentleman and Harry. Harry looking all devious because I guess the whole time, Harry was in charge of the Sinister Six idea. Because a robotic rhino armor was gonna do Norman Osborn a whole lotta good.

And the ending. Hey, remember that screaming little Russian guy we saw at the beginning? Forget about never putting him in the middle of the film like at Ravencroft, we're gonna show him in the last two minutes! And worst mother ever. When a giant robot is firing missiles, you get your child out of there.

And then Spider-Man shows up. Because all it took was a little kid to do his job for him. To quote Spider-Man's dickish comment in the first. "I just did 90% of your job for you."

Hey, Uncle Ben's killer is still out there too guys!

Webb really needs to leave this franchise. First off, the cinematography was so dull I thought this was generic digital. But it's film! Webb just does have a sense of this character. Could be that and the studio needing to make a universe but that isn't helping. See, this is MCU if it was in the wrong hands.

Where is the ****ing aspirin. I feel like I'm forgetting something. What am I forgetting?

You know, if this is the sign of where this whole franchise is going, time to cut the umbilical cord.

 

[Hurm...]

HAHAHAHA!!! My god, Doc, that's probably the best thing you've ever posted.

 

[JJJ]

Doctor Jones, I may not agree with some of your points but that was fabulous to read!

 

[Golgo-13]

I too didn't like the Goblin armor and glider conveniently being in front of Harry as he transforms.

 

[Emperor_Zerg]

Doctor Jones, I enjoyed this movie greatly and don't agree with a lot of what you stated, but that was an awesome read. Thank you for posting.

 

[SpideyZERO]

Doctor Jones, that was a really great review. I review with most of your points on the film's problem.

I disagree about Electro though, sometimes I like my villain to be petty, and Electro is petty

Strongly agree about Peter not giving the blood to Harry. He might be right that the blood will be misused, but damn it, Peter should have done more. He practically gave up on his best friend immediately.

 

[BestGirl]

I too didn't like the Goblin armor and glider conveniently being in front of Harry as he transforms.

Ugh, I practically facepalmed at that point. I think that was the moment when I just said, "**** this movie." I also didn't like the way Aunt May was always up in Peter's business. Why did she insist on being allowed into his room? Why did she throw such a fit hen he wanted to do his own laundry? I mean, he's an adult now.

 

[Hurm...]

I'm also surprised the whole "I'm the only one that can be Spider-Man" aspect is not getting more backlash. I remember when this forum went wild when Sandman was connected to Uncle Ben's killer in SM3. This is much worse.

 

[The Joker]

Doctor Jones, that post should be framed and hung on top of the forum for all to see

 

[Spiderine]

Right---having the only villain be a rehash of one of the original 3 movie villains would have been suicide.

Still don't know why they don't use Kraven, Vulture or Scorpion up to now---but give us Goblin again and tease Doc Ock

They wanted to kill Gwen in this film. Can u imagine the uproar if Vulture or Scorpion did it.

 

[Hypestyle]

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Considering the international box office already registered (and that to come), I’m sure ASM2 will be handsomely profitable overall, especially when the DVD and cable campaigns kick in.

For my purposes, I liked most of it (B-), but I didn’t care for how things ended in the climax and denouement. The relationship between Gwen and Peter works, the actors seem to have an easy chemistry with one another. It was probably my favorite part of the film. Sally Field’s Aunt May, surprisingly, didn’t seem to get to do much, I figured she’d be more involved in the narrative.

I felt Gwen didn’t have to die. She really didn’t. That annoyed me profoundly. It may be canonical in the comics, but especially considering the established positive audience response to the on-screen relationship, I didn’t see the need to tack on her death this “early” in the series (if at all)—especially if this is supposed to be an “ongoing saga” now instead of just another trilogy. Even Peter’s immediate reaction to Gwen’s death rang kind of false- I was expecting him to fly into a rage, start whaling on Harry, only to be stopped by the ghost of Uncle Ben (no flashback moment for Martin Sheen? Oh, well.): it’s just, cue funeral, then cut to Peter’s (seemingly) months-long vigil at the gravesite.

Harry getting fast-tracked as the Goblin didn’t quite work for me (I actually bought Dane Dehaan as more resembling the non-classically-handsome Ditko visage of Harry compared to James Franco’s 90210 version.) I get that he’d “eventually” go bad guy, but I’d have been okay with it if he had just went off into hiding after the ‘cure’ did its damage—then come back in part 3 or this Sinister Six spinoff.

Jamie Foxx delivered a solid performance, both as pre-accident Max and as Electro. His initial loneliness is kind of given the short shrift, but since he’s made out of energy now (I guess) there’s always a backdoor for him to come back. (side note: the stolen-designs angle in his origin reminded me of Hardware’s backstory at Milestone. Hmm.)

Regarding Rhino-- I guess when an actor like Paul Giamatti publicly says that he wants in, you find a way to accommodate him. But I just didn't buy into him as the (sigh) Rhino. Generic Russian Mob hijacker? Fine. (I did enjoy the opening sequence). An epilogue where he gets to cause mayhem in a robotic suit of armor? Fine. But did it have to be some kind of ersatz "Rhino-mech"? A spare Mandroid wasn't available?

"Rhino", the Spidey/Hulk villain, to me, is a huge, muscular/stocky, built guy with a big horn on his cowl/helmet. I don't care. For whatever it's worth, I'd pick Giamatti to play Mysterio, Chameleon or something where he could act out a proper arc. For all this character contributed to the film, heck, they might as well have made him the Looter.

As I write this, I vaguely recall something written years ago about Avi Arad's notes on developing the short-lived Avengers: United they Stand cartoon (circa 2000), and nearly every main character had some kind of armored add-on. Apropos of nothing, I suppose.

 

[socool]

Where to begin.

- Spider-Dad action. A stupid subplot nobody really truly cared about to begin with is brushed off in the opening sequence. Proving that it was a mistake to include this in the first place.

- The chase while fun at times is hampered by Spider-Man's constant joking. This is what I've been talking about for years here. You joke so much, (which Spider-Man seemed to do most of the time here) I can't take him seriously as a hero. It's just one of those things that works better in the comics. It doesn't help with the directing and writing and acting.

- Paul Giamatti was a bit over the top

- Andrew Garfield. He has it in him to be an incredible Peter Parker. But he just isn't Peter Parker in these movies. He's a sulking prick who seems stuck only on one person. I've seen him more Peter Parker like outside these movies than in them. The Social Network and Boy A. Those prove that with the proper director and script, he can be great. But that is never lived up to.

- What should have been the B plot was the A plot. What was Peter's problem in this movie? I guess it was Gwen since she would die. But that does not mean you make it all about that. Make Peter stand on his own two feet and give him an independent journey that's confluent with the rest of the film and Gwen. There just was no focus. There was no clear discernible problem for Peter that tested him and made him grow as a human being to be a better hero. Spider-Man 3 with all its faults, at least had an honest to God central theme and journey for Peter to go on.

- Garfield and Stone - there is chemistry there, but it's not fully utilized with bad writing and directing. The nose tapping scene. What the **** was that?? Am I watching a Spider-Man film or a quirky romantic comedy, Webb? This isn't 500 Days of Summer. So yeah, pretty much anything meaningful that had to be said was skipped in favor of that ****.

- Stone - would have made a much better MJ. She's just Emma Stone doing what Emma Stone does. But blonde. Except she's blonde now, so I guess she's just Emma Stone.

- Peter stalking Gwen and telling her like it was no big deal.

- When Gwen tells Peter she is gong to Oxford, what does Peter do? He sulks. Instead of going out to be Spider-Man to ease the pain, he sulks in his bed and puts his ear phones in. Because you know, while in your bed listening to music, crime in New York suddenly stops. I don't think Webb and co know this, but when you're a super hero, you can use that alter ego as an outlet to ease your pain and make good of it. But no, Peter prefers music. Philip Philips to be exact. Then SUDDENLY. We revisit the old endearing sub plot that was so proudly marketed and rooted back to the first film yet somehow has less significance in the grand scheme of this convoluted ass plot.

- Aunt May scared as **** about Peter finding out about her night job as a nurse. Then when she tells him it's like… no big deal? Forced conflict that leads to nothing.

Spider-Man's "I Love You" message on the bridge advertising to his enemies that Spider-Man loves somebody. Follow that by Peter mask less on a bridge making out with Gwen. But with all that speculation avoid over montage at the beginning, one would think these new hungry Spider-Man obsessed people would be all over that and film it.

- Peter going to London with Gwen. I know this happened in the comics, but it completely falls on its face here because in this context, Peter is so clingy and needy of Gwen that him going to London makes him look like a selfish prick.

And just about the most cringe inducing moment. That ****ing montage with that song. Good God. At least dancing Peter is laughable. This is just horrifyingly excruciating.

- Dane Dehaan. Another problem. Great casting but horrible execution. They butchered the Harry character. So where to begin. Harry is a sketch ball from the get go with really no redemptive qualities. All of the tragedy between Harry and Norman is gone. Instead Harry is just mitigated to a little brat. We begin with assuming that with no aforementioned context that Peter and Harry have been past best friends. How do we know this? We are TOLD through clunky dialogue and exposition. Then there's this awkward stone skipping scene making us assume these two are best buds.

So let me get this straight: We all have long past friends we haven't spoken to in ten years. If I were to see an article writing about my best friend and a family tragedy, I highly doubt I'd go out of my way to find him and then tell the audience we were past friends. I'd say, "Man, that's too bad." And carry on with my life.

Backing up, let's go to that horrible Norman scene. Instead of being shown their relationship, we are yet again, TOLD what it was. So this scene is all about exposition and foreshadowing to what's to come (like that stupid disease) and before there is anything meaningful, Norman dies. Oh, and that disease that takes a near lifetime to kill Norman, suddenly is killing Harry right after he tells them. How do we know? Because after he tells him, there is already a scab on his neck that magically appears.

Harry's story is just about the most illogical part of this movie. So he has this disease. Oh, and Oscorp now. A whole team of world class scientists who could study this thing if he only just asked. But instead for needed tension, Harry for some reason has to go to Peter to give him his blood. Why? Because Peter's father had some stupid special blood that he was afraid would get out. So Peter says no. Why exactly? Because Peter is afraid it would be misused. Well guess what by saying no, Harry does exactly the same thing that Peter didn't want.

Because Spider-Man has regenerative powers? When the **** has Spider-Man EVER had regenerative powers. Well HE DOES NOW!

Peter, you could have given him the blood. Jesus man. I thought this was your best friend you knew ten years ago because you told us. And even if you did, Harry could still easily get his world class team of scientists to solve the problem. But nope, that's too reasonable.

So when Harry takes the serum, and collapses, and the gun going from his hand, instead of shooting the prick who wanted to kill him, the bald man just runs off. So now Harry is turning all goblin like. And out of convenience, there is this armor that he somehow magically knows how to get into and use. So all of this happened because of two things: Peter being a selfish prick because he said no. And I guess that made Harry REALLY angry.

I'm not even on Electro yet.

So Edward Nygma, I'm sorry, Jim Carrey. Wait. Jaimie Foxx plays Max Dillon who is obsessed with Spider-Man. To be kept from ****ing a picture of Spider-Man he works at Oscorp, who never once has any contact with Peter Parker, except Gwen who tells her that what we already know. And then turns into Electro. Seriously, one of the weakest character motivations I've ever seen for a villain in a comic book film. At least in execution. He does these things because… because… Spider-Man forgot his name from when he so condescendingly said that he was his friend? Okay… so Spider-Man defeats him with a lot of water and he's sent to Ravencroft. And dunked in water to keep him conveniently out of the plot to make more room for the illogical Harry sub plot. Or main plot. I couldn't ****ing tell.

So when Harry breaks him out, what prompts him to help is… wait for it. Because Harry really needs him! He needs him guys! It's not quite Spider-Man, but I guess Electro found his new crush. So Electro is fully a bad guy now guys. This has got to be the most childish motivation I have ever seen. It's worse that this is Jaimie ****ing Foxx.

So now Electro dies (poor Max I hardly knew yee. One would think they'd save him for Sinister Six. Because pre-existing characters would help. But I guess Oscorp now just lazily pumps out all the villain in some villain room).

And Harry comes in, and still knows how to use the glider and has worked on quite a nice cackle. Things happen and then Spider-Man's web turns into a hand to reach Gwen, but even that can't save her. Maybe he should have tried to not be so cute.

So Gwen dies and it's all sad I guess. Because Peter cries. Such an iconic scene is wasted because everything surrounding it is just poorly done.

So five months later, Spider-Man's gone. As Aunt May is putting away her metaphorical baggage by telling us that it is, she says that Spider-Man's been gone and it's a shame because the world needs him. Aunt May putting away boxes in the foreground telling a background Peter about how Spider-Man's been gone. Hmmm. Where have I seen that before? This is just so clunky. When Spider-Man quits, or any superhero for that matter, it's kind of a big deal. So the fact it's just brushed off in the last ten minutes of the film makes Peter even more selfish. There was nothing earlier to indicate Peter could quit. Oh, wait, that was Gwen so without Gwen, Peter can't be Spider-Man anymore. You think Peter would make the best out of it, despite all the pain, even if it's half hearted, he'd still be Spider-Man in some way.

The shamelessly cheesy Ravencroft after credits (wait, ten minutes tip the credits) scene with The Gentleman and Harry. Harry looking all devious because I guess the whole time, Harry was in charge of the Sinister Six idea. Because a robotic rhino armor was gonna do Norman Osborn a whole lotta good.

And the ending. Hey, remember that screaming little Russian guy we saw at the beginning? Forget about never putting him in the middle of the film like at Ravencroft, we're gonna show him in the last two minutes! And worst mother ever. When a giant robot is firing missiles, you get your child out of there.

And then Spider-Man shows up. Because all it took was a little kid to do his job for him. To quote Spider-Man's sickish comment in the first. "I just did 90% of your job for you."

Hey, Uncle Ben's killer is still out there too guys!

Webb really needs to leave this franchise. First off, the cinematography was so dull I thought this was generic digital. But it's film! Webb just does have a sense of this character. Could be that and the studio needing to make a universe but that isn't helping. See, this is MCU if it was in the wrong hands.

Where is the ****ing aspirin. I feel like I'm forgetting something. What am I forgetting?

You know, if this is the sign of where this whole franchise is going, time to cut the umbilical cord.

Pretty much this (sans a few points). So many problems. Soooo many. Almost everyone has to do with the script too. Ocri and Kurtzman can't write worth a damn.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I blame Webb more. The studio as well for wanting to create this damned universe. But this thing had to have had more than the four writers credited. Orci and Kurtzman aren't that bad even. If anything they might have given something that could have been better than the first. I heard Electro had a bigger role originally so I'm guessing in the first passes with them on board things were much better, hence why Foxx signed on.

It's just… the eight dollars I spent on this **** could have been spent on two beers at the right bar.

 

[socool]

I blame Webb more. And perhaps the studio as well for wanting to create this damned universe. But this thing had to have had more than the four writers listed. Orci and Kurtzman aren't that bad even. If anything they might have given something that could shave been better than the first. I heard Electro had a bigger role originally so I'm guessing in the first passes with them on board things were much better.

Really? See, I like Webb. I feel like he has a good grasp on the character. Though, truthfully, I don't know how the making of the film actually went so Webb might very well be a huge fault, I dunno. But there's no doubt that Sony is the biggest evil here. I'm just so...ugh. This film had such potential. And they mucked it up. Ergh.