What do you think is the worst crime?

[Flame on!]

I thought we were just talking in general.

Well was just going to say that isn't justifiable at all, but adding the court of law part added a wee bit of authority and weight

 

[Daisy]

Well, in the dictionary I just checked, it only says the unlawful killing of a human being by another, usually with premeditated malice. How could that never be justifiable? You could premeditately plan to kill someone that had, say, tortured your little sister.

Understandable... yes, but absolutely unjustifiable under the law. It might be a mitigating circumstance that would allow for a lighter sentence or even a reduction of charges, but not justification.

 

[Daisy]

I thought we were just talking in general.

Well considering that the question asked about crimes (whereas justifiable homicide isn't a crime)... and that all the things that were listed were exactly that - crimes, it would seem to me that murder meant murder, not killing in gerenal.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

I don't make any judgement on the 'rightness or wrongness' of someone's point-of-view unless I'm sure I understand it first.

Perhaps if you hadn't started in asserting that where you're coming from is more superior than others (including me), then people wouldn't feel the need to show you where you are in error.

You are very, very fragile. I wish it were legal to have humans as pets.

 

[Daisy]

My true stance is neither rape nor murder (nor any other crime for that matter) is wrong or right and, therefore, neither better or worse than each other. It all depends on what you want out of life and no one's point of view is necessarily better or worse than anyone elses.

If the world was rampant with rape and murder, it would neither be a better nor worse world than if it were devoid of it. It all comes down to majority consent and the majority may feel rape is worse or it may feel murder is worse. It doesn't really matter. It all depends on what we want and there's nothing intrinsically right or wrong about that.

This opens a whole other debate... on morality (absolute vs. relative vs. provisional), for which this isn't the thread.

 

[Daisy]

You are very, very fragile. I wish it were legal to have humans as pets.

Nice projection.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

This opens a whole other debate... on morality (absolute vs. relative vs. provisional), for which this isn't the thread.

There isn't much to debate. Morality is relative by nature. It does not exist exclusively.

Reality renders this entire thread topic pointless. That's boring though, so we take up personal opinions and beliefs and use them as anchor points that have as much right to be as life itself.

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Life is pointless by the same logic. I'm actually stepping into my bathtube with a hairdreyer. The water is really nice, you should come on in.

 

[Calvin]

Well considering that the question asked about crimes (whereas justifiable homicide isn't a crime)... and that all the things that were listed were exactly that - crimes, it would seem to me that murder meant murder, not killing in gerenal.

Well, the discussion seemed to have evolved beyond the original question.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

Life is pointless by the same logic. I'm actually stepping into my bathtube with a hairdreyer. The water is really nice, you should come on in.

Right... cept as far anyone's been able to tell, death limits our options of things we can do, so I'll have to pass...

 

[Outsiderzedge]

Well considering that the question asked about crimes (whereas justifiable homicide isn't a crime)... and that all the things that were listed were exactly that - crimes, it would seem to me that murder meant murder, not killing in gerenal.

The laws of many men are no more absolute or right than the laws of one man. It's all about who can enforce them. Might makes right in this case.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Of course not. People can get over it, but the scar left on their spirit never goes away. They carry that with them forever and it affects those around them and they, in turn, affect those around them and so on.

Murder leaves a worse effect on a victim, but if it is justifiable, leaves no where near the same mark rape leaves on people and society in general.

That is so far from the truth its crazy. So you think murder isnt as bad as rape for the world???

 

[Bad Superman]

Some people will say they would because they've bought into the belief that rape 'scars you for life and you can never truly recover from it'.

. . .specially those who might've been molested in their childhood. Think about that for a sec. Some can recover completely, others aren't that lucky/blessed.

 

[blind_fury]

Some rape victims can recover.

A murder victim can NEVER recover.

 

[britrogue]

Rape. IMO

 

[Calvin]

Some rape victims can recover.

A murder victim can NEVER recover.

With a lot of murders though, there isn't any suffering. Maybe some people prefer oblivion to suffering.

 

[redmarvel]

10. Driving under the influence - however, this is dependent on how far under the influence you were. If you caused the death/injury of someone else while DUI then it gets bumped up to 4+

9. Money fraud(cheating on taxes or stealing from a company) - no one should take someone else's property but occassionally there are exigent circumstances

8. Possession of Narcotics - since you are not forcing anyone to buy them from you and they may be for your own use, and the narcotic in question may actually be less harmfull than tabacco or alcohol.

7. Robbery/theft - while this doesn't necessarily physically injure people, it does cause mental anguish

6. Arson - assuming this doesn't cause the death or injury of another person. If death or injury do occur, then it get's bumped up to 4+

5. Kidnapping - this causes mental anguish and often involves physical pain and even death

4. Assault and battery - this causes mental anguish, physical pain and may even lead to death

3. Murder - comes in 3 because you may be killing someone by their own request

2. Rape - Since it also involves torture and often murder this comes in second place.

1. Child Abuse - I believe this is the worst crime that can be committed. It permanently damages the child.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

well if some are saying that people can recover from rape, then why not child abuse as well, surely that should be under the same category.


again to reiterate, a woman that murders her her husband while sexually trying to assault her to some is seen as worse than actually letting him go through the act of rape since she can recover from it.

driving under the influence is relative depending on how many drinks you've had and how many people you are on the road with and also on the person's level of control while either on drugs or on something else. personally i feel driving while tired in many cases is worse than driving under the influence but meh.

now fraud and drug possession is put low on the list but commiting fraud against the elderly or perhaps the handicapped i find quite revolting because you are clearly taking advantage of others. possession of drugs is fine but where you get those drugs from and the money that is passed around end up going to places and allows people to give up trying to live profitably lives for their communities and end up par taking in unlawful acts which make the poor and rich divide widen. It fuels something much bigger and underground crime and the violence associated with it isn't big on my list so it's important to reach the source of the crimes.

the destruction of priate property via arson is not too bad although it does lead to a draining of useful resources such as the fire brigade that could be needed in dealing with a more serious and life threatening event and when they're strecthed, potential lives could be at risk so there's always that to think about.

kidnapping depends on what kinda position the person being kidnapped is and how important that person is to the family friends employees of the missing person. it also depends on how the captives hold their hostage and whether they are trying to extract information from them or whether they are simply being held for a randsom. it could quite easily be the best and worst of those scenarios.

again assault depends on the victim and situation.

bulgary of an old lady whose husband is in an urn (taken to be melted and sold or just pawned) could lead to unrest for the rest of her days and there's nothing you can do to get it back since the content has already been taken and removed. Plus the taking of sentimental valuables may cause scars that cant be viewed on the surface but may mean quite a large deal to others, especially after a death has occured.

child abuse is very open to intepretation and is considered different things by different people. neglect may be fine for some children but may not be for others while people viewing this from an outside perspective can look at a situation and draw their on conclusions as to what abuse is. something like smacking which some parents think is just may be considered as abuse, especially when looking at cultural differences seen in the upbringing of children in different parts of the world. i think when people say child abuse, they automatically think of kids being raped and babies being shaken and kicked. I mean my friend nearly got put on the sex offender's list because he gave someone a wedgie, he would have served time for child abuse, peh.

as for rape, at least in the statutary (sp?) means, having sex with a young girl when the age difference between you is minimal can cause problems and you can get a record and all but you still carry the stigmata of a rapist even though there was consent from both sides (although technically she's not allowed to). here's a strange statistic, apparently in canada, if there are three parties involved and you all give consent and one of you is over 18, then sex is permitted, how odd.


all these crimes fit on scales, i think to judge them based on their titles alone is being highly presumptious. Especially since you could find yourself in one of these cases (either as the culprit or victim) and your opinion on them could change.


which is why i originally said taking advantage of those in a vunlerable position since it should cover all of those 'crimes' in their most malicious manner. That's the most underlying wrong part in my eyes.

 

[Man-Thing]

Murder is the worst...

I don't see how anyone could disagree.

 

[passerby]

I believe that kidnapping is the worst because if a mother's child is murdered then atleast she knows where he/she is and if a mother's child is kidnapped then she doesn't know where he/she is and she doesn't know if her child is dead.

 

[Admiral_N8]

I believe that kidnapping is the worst because if a mother's child is murdered then atleast she knows where he/she is and if a mother's child is kidnapped then she doesn't know where he/she is and she doesn't know if her child is dead.

You think the mother would rather have a dead child then the hope she is still alive??

 

[passerby]

You think the mother would rather have a dead child then the hope she is still alive??

Well I think that the mother would be able to let go easier if she knew where her child was.

 

[pHat_aL]

I agree with Alonsovich 100%. All of them are crime, but if I were to compare the top two, child abuse is worse than murder. If you kill a child, he's dead. But if you allow him/her to live and torture him constantly, when he/she grows up, he/she 'll be the one doing the killing.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

if i was 17 and had sex with my 15 year old girlfriend, i could go down as a child rapist.

hardly a crime of the century

if i had sex with a lady willingly then something else happened that led to the deterioration of the relationship and she accused me of rape, i could go down as a rapist. heck nowadays they are saying that verbal consent is required just to cover your bets and even so with alcohol involved what's to say concensual.

if those are the rape and child rape cases we are speaking of, personally i don't think there's anything wrong with either.

Well thats not rape and child rape. Don't try an be a smart ass. I talking about grabing a woman in an alley or breaking into her house and forcing yourself on her.

I'm talking about little kids, not 15 year olds. Personally I think that if a 13 year old consents to sex an adult male shouldn't be arrested for it.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Well I think that the mother would be able to let go easier if she knew where her child was.

So you think the mother would want a dead baby rather then a baby that may be alive?

That is so silly is funny.